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ninanee September 2, 2011 4:01 PM

My son is working on a 3.850 from an internet sting in Polk County....you seem to understand what is happening.....how can he contact you?

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com September 2, 2011 10:55 PM

I added my email.

Mata Hari August 7, 2012 10:10 AM

You are a hero to many, I wish more people knew about this site!!

Coolcity January 12, 2012 11:32 AM

lovely!

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com February 7, 2012 12:28 PM

I got an email from someone in Gwinnett County GA who says that his house was raided a couple of months after a risqué chat in an adult chat room with an undercover officer posing as a minor. From what he tells me he had no intent to meet with the “minor” but was arrested anyway despite the lacking criminal element which is not surprising to me. What is going on with internet stings is deplorable especially when the men arrested actually ignore the “minor” and get arrested at their own house anyway. Here is a copy of the email he sent:

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com February 7, 2012 12:29 PM

Hey there. I was a 37 y/o man with no record. Your posts on the "Florida Scandal" (and the other site that took me there) are all too real for me...If I may, I would like to present what is happening to me in Gwinnett County GA......A while back I was in Yahoo Chat (which I know/knew is 18 and up) to spank the monkey-- which is the only reason I would ever go there. My wife even "allowed" me to (when she wasn’t "feeling it") because it is safe and anonymous.... I ended up chatting with someone who was acting like they were a 13 y/o girl. I think I "x"ed them out initially but then they responded later--I only remembered they said they were young--- to which I ended up having a fantasy, role play underage type chat with them (which was very out of place for me-- but I think I was striking out with everyone else).... I never once suggested meeting, but I showed them my webcam, they sent pics of some coworker when she was young, at some point they added me as their "friend", and I finished after 30 minutes or so and was gone. A week later THEY tried unsuccessfully to initiate a "chat" but I wasn’t interested, and pretty much gave them the cold shoulder--although they remained on my "friend list". Over the next two months I logged in around a dozen times to do my thing and would send out "mass instant messages" to all on my list (including that person-and they would respond), only to have me ignore them. Well come the end of January 2011, my home was raided by like 10 police and detectives, looking for any and all evidence to arrest me and charge me with "sexual exploitation of a minor" (a felony as you may know). During the raid, the detective stated that a mother had put "spyware" on her PC ultimately logging our chats to which she turned over to the police. I was absolutely crushed! I honestly believed I did a horrible thing. Turns out I was chatting with the investigating detective the whole time. No minor was ever involved and they found nothing, nada, zero, ziltch!!

They recorded the interview to which the detective says I admitted my guilt by my saying "yea I have chats on yahoo, but it's a fantasy world where you have no idea who you're really talking to, besides it's an adult website and no kids should even be able to get on it"....I was arrested and booked and my life has been pretty much turned upside down...Forward to my pre-trial--My lawyer had motions to suppress evidence based on their warrants and stuff, only to be denied--during which the detective (sworn to truth) blatantly lied, saying that we had multiple chats sexual in nature and him saying I really "believed" I was chatting with a minor and the stinger --which he said I admitted to remembering the "minor" during the investigative interview---flat out B.S...... what’s more-- all the "mass IMs" I sent were construed to "show my pursuit" of alleged minor..... they offered me a "plea"===20 years prison/ 10 probation.... what the f***??... pardon my French ...As of now, another pretrial motion to suppress is scheduled......What is your insight into this?? I am very worried because we are in the most conservative county in the entire nation-- according to the judge ruling my case... I may be facing 20 years in jail for this???? I am now 39, laid off for being flagged in background checks, was on the mugshots website where numerous friends saw me and asked me what’s up...Is this the New America?

tippytoby57 August 18, 2012 4:26 AM

I'm a friend of a guy that's being accused of basically the same thing here in Florida. In his case, there' no evidence. Don't know what the evidence is in your case, but a lawyer here in Florida says--under no circumstance accept a plea deal! And my advice is, if they have no evidence on you, be prepared to sue the crap out of them. Keep track of how this whole episode has ruined your life. Make that list as thorough and detailed as possible. Hopefully it will add to your punitive damages. No police officer, town, state or country should run rough-shod over a person and ruin their life by abusing their power or the law, especially if they have no evidence!

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com March 27, 2012 7:48 PM

I guess I will have to start posting to my own blog since the men being arrested are afraid of more repercussions. The major problem as to why these stings work so well is the men arrested are restricted from using the internet and are afraid to go public because of the “long arm of the law”. The men that are arrested should not be restricted from using the internet because they are not preying on children and they will not be “messing around” in adult chat rooms again after such allegations. The people that are in the best position to speak out against these stings are people that have been arrested and know firsthand what is going on. I have been contacted by numerous people related to men that have been entrapped in internet stings. I implore the people that know of someone that has been arrested to help them and go public. There is nothing to be afraid or ashamed of because these stings are illegal. Please help them as much as you can just like I am and I don’t even know who they are. I know that for every man arrested there are at least ten people who know them. Please DO NOT ignore it and speculate by yourself but go public for these men. Please post their story to this blog so that the word can get out and if anyone is brave enough it would be very good to put a really good “illegal” chat on here so the truth can be seen by everyone.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com March 27, 2012 7:55 PM

Also, pay attention to the new link to “Internet Stings: Does the fantasy defense hold water?” under “OTHER BLOGS” as well as the links proving the innocence of men that have been arrested. The fantasy defense is a viable defense (not just entrapment) and the information provided by Karen Franklin PhD will certainly be of use to the accused.

Deb Percival May 19, 2012 6:25 PM

We are going through a similar "hell" at the moment. My Son-in-law was lured, seduced, manipulated and entrapped by a sting operation/overzealous law enforcement. The 'system' is so crooked and so warped I want to scream! My daughter is 31 weeks pregnant and this is such a horrible stress on her and the whole family. My Son-in-law served in the military, was honorably discharged, served 4 tours, did 1 special op and is a decorated war veteran...and this is the 'thank you' we give someone that has served our country.

Guess the 'innocent till proven guilty' days are gone.

My Son-in-law is STILL in jail, 45 days so far...with bail set WAY too high for us to afford. (hiring an attorney is financially burdensome enough). They say that the judge that has his case is a VERY tough judge, but where does 'fair and impartial' come in when our bond is 4-5 times higher than someone else with the same exact charges (also another sting operation victim). How is that fair???I knew our system was a mess...but you just don't know how much of a mess until it affects your family directly. I guarantee that my Son-in-law was NOT 'trolling' craigslist (or anywhere) for kids. It was an adult listing, who would even expect or suspect any 14yo to have an ad in the adult personals on craigslist??? He responded to what he assumed was an adult (& actually was very much an adult). Heck, he even stopped communication with the 'sting'(realizing he didn't want to cheat on my daughter)...'THEY' came back at him! He looked at it (the communication) as more of a 'game'...then 'THEY' manipulated and lured him into 'meeting'...he again tried to back out...but they swarmed him. Plus the picture they sent him looked to be someone over 18. 'THEY' did the manipulating...'they' know EXACTLY what to say to lure someone in.

I'm all for getting the 'bad guys' off the streets...I'm all for protecting the children (I raised my own 4 quite safely)...but what law enforcement is doing is WRONG!!! They are abusing their 'power' and they are snagging more innocent than guilty (and ruining entire families in the process). I am positive that a HUGE majority of the people they are arresting in these sting operations are NOT actually guilty of what they are being charged with. The ones they want, the one they need to 'catch' are NOT the ones they are getting. I read an article that said that LESS THAN 5% of the people on the sex offender list actually belong there! LESS THAN 5%!!!

They NEED to do their job more ethically and honestly. They need to actually go after the real criminals and stop entrapping innocent people!

My Son-in-law is NOT a predator, offender or anything close to being what they are trying to accuse him of. He is NOT guilty! True, he was not using his brain...he made a mistake to even consider cheating (and for that he is so very remorseful)...but he most certainly was NOT looking for any type of encounter with children.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com May 20, 2012 7:48 PM

Can you please email me the specifics. I would like to know what sting he was arrested in and I would also like his discovery.

Deb Percival May 21, 2012 12:20 PM

I received your email...and responded.

This situation is SO WRONG! Not just what my Son-In-Law is going through...but what so many others are going through. I asked our attorney what I could do to help...he said to write our State Legislators to let them know how law enforcement is out of hand and such. Do you think they will listen???

So many families' lives are being ruined...emotionally and financially. Illegal sting operations, unfair treatment in the courtroom, being treat as 'guilty until proven innocent' instead of how it is supposed to be.

Heck even a bondsman I spoke with said it looked like entrapment (& I didn't even tell him anything)...and he said law enforcement needs to go after real criminals and stop fabricating crimes.

What an awful mess/nightmare :-(

Millie C. May 23, 2012 6:29 PM

Two families!!!!my neighbor and my cousin,both of these family's lives have been turned upside down by the police sting entrapment! Two Young men's lives changed forever because they were trapped in this corrupted sting. This is wrong and no help for these victims and families!!! We must all unite to find a way to help these men. My cousins son was 3 months married and had a new house, lost both, my neighbors son was a pre med student and he will no longer be able to pursue his career, both were talking to a 32 yr old, so they thought, never had any intention of ever being interested in a young girl.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com May 24, 2012 8:59 AM

It would be very nice to know who these two young men are. I am sure they have very incriminating stories (incriminating for law enforcement of course) like the ones I have already heard and saw evidence with my own eyes. Therefore, I know they are not just giving me the typical criminal stereotype of “I didn’t do it”.This kind of operation stems from the egotistical belief of law enforcement that they can do anything they want and the fallacy supported by the general public that law enforcement always have a reason to arrest someone. For a long time I thought the people arrested in these stings were actually preying on children. This was because law enforcement agencies are lying to the public and people typically take it for granted that these people are in charge of our safe keeping. Therefore, why would most people question statements made by them like: “We caught them preying on vulnerable children” or “We have investigated people that use the internet to arrange sex with minors and look how many we caught.” However, where are the red flags? These men are not criminals and never have been.

The truth is that we are being lied to. The truth is that the government is funding these illegal operations to make sex offenders so that it can make money. Normally, before a sting is conducted, probable cause must exist and law enforcement agencies must get permission. However, since the government saw the dollar signs created by “To Catch a Predator” all of that went out the window and they give the public the bovine excrement that it is “proactive law enforcement”. So let me get this straight: proactive law enforcement is creating a crime to create a criminal by making it look like the men were doing exactly what you put in their head to do? Someone figured that if they broke the law to make a lot of arrests and put a pretty bow on it by lying to the public, then nobody would question them. Well I am questioning it. I have seen some of these chat logs and emails where the men specifically stated that they were not interested in sex. At which point the undercover officers became abusive, degrading, and bribed them with money just to get them to “hang out”. However, what does the public hear? We hear the “horrifying” story that they showed up to have sex with a minor after stalking them on the internet and persuading them with candy and teddy bears.

tippytoby57 August 18, 2012 4:41 AM

With all this lack of evidence, all of you should get together for a class-action lawsuit. With no evidence, these police officers will be forced to drop the cases if they don't want the state of Florida to lose a lot of money. Sounds like you've really done your homework! Don't let that go to waste!

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com May 24, 2012 9:02 AM

So then how do these men get convicted? They get convicted because the typical adult web site patron does not have the money for appropriate legal counsel so they get appointed counsel that works for the same institution that pays them and conducts the illegal stings. The exonerating evidence gets “swept under the carpet” and the men are given involuntary pleas and, because of the deceit given to the public, they take it for fear of being wrongfully convicted and getting a prison sentence. Blackstone’s Formulation is now working in reverse. For those not familiar with criminal law it is the concept that it is “better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.”(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone’s_formulation) Law enforcement feels that it is better to make everyone look guilty in hopes that one of them could be or might be guilty without any proof. Well this mentality is proving to be true because the general public is more than just buying into the lies but believe in them with conviction because of the “horrifying” thought that their“innocent little girls” will not be virgins forever. Of course using the word“conviction” is a play on words because that is exactly what the end result is. I have read comments to articles where some people actually see that these operations are entrapment but most of the people respond with comments like“how can they be innocent if they responded to the ad?” These people don’t know that the ad was posted on the adult section of Craigslist not advertising an age at all. The ads are generalized with phrases like “hot summer fun”, “let’s party”, “threesome fun”, etc. Also, do not forget about the tagline to the announcement of W4M (Woman for Man) which sometimes even includes an age over 18 like W4M_19 to make it more tantalizing.

Most people also do not know that the majority of the adult ads on Craigslist are solicitations for adult dating sites or pornography. Therefore, when a man responds to an ad he really does not know what to expect. In the instant case, the last thing he expects is a horny teenager or her parents trying to “pimp her out” or give her a “rite of passage”. Because it has been awhile since he has actually been able to speak to a real person; he carries on with the conversation. Well within his first amendment rights to speak to someone who claims they are offering up sex with a “ripe and ready” sensuous teenager. During the conversations the men are enticed, persuaded, and comforted the entire time. They are broken down by PROFESSIONAL INTERROGATORS and eventually take the bait because the seed was already planted by the adult site; all the undercover officer has to do is exploit it. Sure they are required by law to tell these men “their age” at the beginning of the conversation and to tell these men “that they don’t have to if they don’t want to” to avoid the APPEARANCE of SUBJECTIVE entrapment but after these two simple and short phrases there are dozens of assurances, inducements, and persuasions. Some people break off conversations and the police still pursue them to persuade them more in the event that they might have APPEARED TO have an interest.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com May 24, 2012 9:02 AM

Let’s face it; it is ILLEGAL for an officer of the law to pose as a criminal to investigate random people that are not criminals especially when they did not set out to do what they wanted them to do BEFORE the persuasion and consent. To make matters more simple; it is ILLEGAL for law enforcement to sit at your front door and peak into your window to see if you are doing anything illegal without having any reason for being there. If these types of internet stings were compared to a drug sting it would be like an officer walking up to your house smoking marijuana, holding a bag of it, and asks you if you want some and then arrests you if you say yes but before you actually take it. IT IS REDICULOUS.

Let’s not put the cart before the horse and start thinking that the whole government is in on it. Let’s also not go to the extreme and assume that the police know what they are doing is illegal but don’t care. I think that they simply might not know because I have heard of some attorneys and officers saying that there is no such thing as an adult web site. Even though that sounds a little hard to believe it could be true since most of these undercover officers barely know how to turn a computer on and have to be trained how to access web sites. The old stereotype that people become police officers if they do not do well in high school because they were bullies could be true. If it is true then it is not very comforting knowing that a bunch of dumb, mean “rednecks” are“protecting” us. Pam Bondi and the Department of Justice on the other hand endorse these stings because they believe the same lies. As far as Governor Rick Scott is concerned I am not so sure about since he just cut the budget for state employees saying that we need less government.

Something does need to be done but it is going to take a lot of people to do it. I know that some of these men arrested might seem “a little twisted” but who am I to judge someone that was arrested simply because he was told to do it by law enforcement. Why should I believe what I am told by the media in the first place because all they care about are ratings and not the truth? I would say that a good place to start would be to boycott Craigslist and adult dating sites but what “fun” would that be right? People should not have to change their lifestyles no matter how immoral they may be simply because the government is shredding the constitution. It is going to take some time but these stings will get shut down because it has already started to happen in other states. “It is, perhaps, inevitable that such an operation will ensnare an otherwise law-abiding citizen with sexual fantasies – involving conduct which is illegal, immoral, taboo, or all three – upon which he or she would not otherwise act were the opportunity not presented to them.” People v. Grizzle (Colo. Ct. App. 2006).

Everyone that has a compelling story on this issue, please feel free to comment and do not be hesitant to help the men arrested.

tippytoby57 August 18, 2012 4:53 AM

It would be a good idea to use the media in the same way the police use it. The media only gets one side of the story. Why not take your point of view, perspective and the evidence to one of the major media outlets to do an expose? Once they see the evidence against a lot of these innocent guys, it would be a killer story!

scaredmomma May 24, 2012 10:13 AM

my son was caught in a sex sting in october2011.he ha no prior record,not even a speeding ticket,he is learning disabled.has always had trouble reading and writing.he and his family lived with my husband and myself until march of 2011.he only internet he had was a smary phone i bought in july2011,but couldnt operate,so gave it to him,he cant even remember how to drive to walmart,his memory is very bad.we have a public defender,first one abruptely was gone in january,we werent told,i found out 7 weeks later when i called and was then notified he has a new public defender now,we are afraid he is going to be sent to prison,he doesnt eat or sleep well,he spent 10days in jail,until we were able to post bond,he was given a compentency test failed the first one,so has second one ,from prosicutors side,of course was found conpetant,and that dr called my son a out and out liar,said he was trying to seem stupid.just had thirs compentancy test,this dr took 4 hours to test him,found him compatent with stipulations,we dont have that report yet,now we are waiting for the sho to drop,we have been financially overloaded ,gps fees are 65.00 a week,we cant pay it all,we do pay payments every week though,also on the gps you are under home arrest,he isnt allowed outside his homwe,not even in his own yard.cannot go to grocery store without prior permisson,only 1 time a month is permitted.for 3 hours.my husband has to take him or his family everywhere,because he lost his job,his car .all possessions in the car,and his freedom in this nightmare,we talked to a real lawyer,but who has $10,000 dollars?we sure dont.we are scrapping the bottom of the barrel just paying gps fees and gas to take him there once a week,and all the gas to go and do the neccessary things for his family,he cant attend any family holiday functions,he has to stay at home when his family goes anywhere,.hes not allowed to go to a fast food resturant either.he isnt allowed to do any normal activities we all enjoy,i thought we were innocent until proven guilty,not any more,the cops took everything from him and his whole family.he cant even move ,he has to stay were he is currently living,if he needed to move they would toss him back into jail.i have never in my wildest dreams heard of someone being treated like this,i know alot of these men are completely innocent,but they were convicted the minute the news channel posted their mugshots!if these people would just stop anfd open their eyes they would see how corrupt this town really is.we asked the judge to forgo the gps fees as my son lost his job,but he said my son can work,want t bet,no one will hire someone who is on gps let alone with the disabilities my son has.it took us 5years going threw vocational rehabilitaion to get the job he was working when he got arrested.the public defender more or less said we will get one plea offer,well we arent gonna let them put our son in prison if we can help it,my idea is these men need to all get together and get 1 good attorney to fight for them,but im sure they are just as broke as we are,so now where do we turn,that public defender isnt going to help us,that is a fact.i am hopeing some lawyer with a heart and needing to set the record straight will take on this and the other cases of these men ,before they all get sent to prison.please somebody help us and the others.

Millie C. May 24, 2012 10:50 AM

K so they shut down operation , yet these men live the rest so their lives with a tattoo on their forehead of sexual offenders, have to register, and prohibited to even go to malls, having neighbors talk about them and all because they were wrongly accused!

tippytoby57 August 18, 2012 5:09 AM

Find a lawyer who's willing to get paid only if the case wins. And it should.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com May 24, 2012 11:16 AM

We have the greatest judicial system in the world so I am sure that one day the stigma will be washed away. Sex offender laws are unconstitutional as successfully argued by the ACLU in another state. Somebody just has dollar signs in their eyes right now by making these men register as sex offenders because they are not supposed to be registering. Law enforcement agencies get an increase in their budget if they label enough sex offenders so these agencies don’t care if they are real offenders or not. If there is not a victim then there is not an offender especially if there is no sexual act involved. There must be a victim according to the Florida Statute on sex offender registration. The laws on child solicitation are unconstitutional too because the attempt carries the same penalty as the actual crime and the impossibility doctrine has been thrown out the window. Where is the crime when the “victim” is an interrogating officer manipulating the “suspect” and putting the thought in his head? I often wonder how many of these undercover officers actually get aroused while“investigating” because of all the sexual misconduct that has been running rampant at law enforcement agencies. Well, enough “small talk”. The fact is that there is one way to put a complete stop to it and it has three words: CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT. Nobody will be ridiculed or belittled then now will they? Put the word out and someone will file a class action suit. I guarantee it.

Millie C. May 24, 2012 2:02 PM

So how does one go about doing a CLASS ACTION lawsuit without jeopardizing the probation or jail time for the innocent, we are at a loss and not sure if the attorney can even be trusted because he is from same county so I'm sure they all socialize, meaning, judge, prosecutor, attorney and officers and they are all meeting their quotas and making money.

tippytoby57 August 18, 2012 5:08 AM

Why not find a lawyer that's either ready to make a name for him/herself or has already made a name for him/herself? That lawyer doesn't have to reside in the same county. Get one of the nationally known big-name lawyers. Find one that's willing to make money only if the case wins. This lawsuit could win millions for all the trouble they've given innocent people!

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com May 24, 2012 11:18 AM

There are plenty of Plaintiffs.

Millie C. May 24, 2012 2:13 PM

So, I have to ask, are you an attorney????? Who can help us?

Millie C. May 24, 2012 12:22 PM

More must be done to,help,these young men that were set up and lives were destroyed, we must come together and find someone in he media that can help get this story out to educate the public and prevent more families to be affected by this tragedy!!!! This is insane, but we can speak louder as a group!

scaredmomma May 24, 2012 9:05 PM

you are correct,but i seriously doubt any news people want to hear about the sting operations innocent men.and i for one dont have the funds to find a lawyer that would be willing to file a class action lawsuit,and im telling you now,there isnt much time to get the ball rolling,once they get convicted you cannot clear there record,so it better happen fast if all these wreongly accused men are going to get any help with this matter.i know my son would like to be involved in clearing this up,he will be having a court date for his plea within a couple of weeks.

Mata Hari August 7, 2012 8:15 AM

If we all work together and gather funds and network with more people involved in these cases we can get a class action suit going!

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com May 24, 2012 11:09 PM

I am not an attorney but I do have good advice and I know what I am talking about. The ACLU should certainly be contacted concerning a class action suit. It only takes one person to contact them and then they can contact the other Plaintiffs. However, they need to know that there are at least a couple of people willing to start it so class action status will be guaranteed. Filing suit will not jeopardize any pending cases it just takes the “ball out of their court” especially if a stay is granted.

Other people are trying to get the media to cover this story and I don’t know when it will happen but it is true that it will take more than one. I have numerous men willing to go public.

DO NOT TAKE A PLEA especially without filing a motion to dismiss FIRST. The motion to dismiss should stress both subjective and objective entrapment but mainly objective entrapment. Be sure to site the case law herein that proves that the creation of crime is entrapment. The creation of crime mainly falls under objective entrapment but it can be used with a subjective argument too because of lack of predisposition. Predisposition is the harder route to take because it is being defined too broadly. Predisposition is supposed to entail everything BEFORE government interaction but the ready and willingness has been added in there to make it more difficult to prove lack thereof. I have heard of cases that brought up a subjective argument based on the creation of crime and even though the prosecution agreed that there was no predisposition, the motion to dismiss was still denied because of Marreel v. State, 841 So. 2d 600 (Fla. 4th DCA 2003) which is seriously flawed. Getting precedence stricken is a completely different ball of wax and complicates things quite a bit but it is doable.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com May 24, 2012 11:10 PM

The case of Munoz v. State, 629 So. 2d 90 (Fla. 1993) is the best place to start for a motion to dismiss on objective entrapment because the opinion confirmed the abolishment of the objective test set forth in Cruz v. State of Florida, 465 So. 2d 516 (1985) which is needed to prove that these stings are illegal. However, it did state that objective/due process entrapment is guaranteed by the constitution and can never be abolished by any law. This path will lead to quashing Marreel and other Florida cases, California and Colorado can be used to support the legal analysis. The attorneys involved in these cases are going to want the men to plea out. I don’t think it’s because they are incompetent I think it’s because they are scared and it is a lot of work. Not to mention the fact that the whole state wants convictions so they are compelled to oblige for fear of “the chopping block”.

I will contact the ACLU if everyone wants me to. I do need a detailed list of all the cases. The list should contain the defendants names, the defendants current attorneys, case numbers, who has jurisdiction, and facts of the case including (but not limited to) date of arrest, name of the sting, law enforcement agency in charge, compelling proof of inducement, etc.

Millie C. May 25, 2012 7:35 AM

You have become the angel we have all been praying for!!!! First of all, thank you from the bottom of our hearts for educating us on this. Should we send this info to the email above? The hotmail email?

Made mistake May 29, 2012 1:42 PM

I emailed you my story and would love for someone to reprisent us to the ACLU. if there is a group of people, they should pay attention

Deb Percival May 24, 2012 11:44 PM

I am pretty sure that the MAJORITY of the people that have been arrested in these stings were NOT looking for/nor expecting to find any minors in ADULT areas. The predators that need to be caught are not looking in ADULT sections...they are befriending unsupervised kids in the under 18 areas of the Internet...where minors hang out. I've had many people agree/say that this is definitely entrapment...a bail bondsman even said: "this looks like entrapment, why doesn't law enforcement go after the real criminals and stop fabricating crimes". That is exactly what is going on...law enforcement has become the predator...setting up traps for their easy prey of people that are in ADULT sections (of craigslist, etc)...they are fabricating criminal activity...they are luring, seducing, manipulating and entrapping innocent people into 'crimes' that they would never commit. The first amendment is being 'tossed out the window'.

scaredmomma May 25, 2012 7:53 AM

well i for one know my some will go for class action lawsuit,here is my problem,i have case number.his public defenders name.who arrested him.no clue what the stings name was.i also know timw and date of arrest,i have a copy of his arrest.and as i told you this family hasnt had any legal issues so we dont know alot about the law,except my crash couse since october,2011.yes i hear you about no plea.well all i know is his public defender was handed a copy of the florida scandal.i copied it,i doubt he even looked at it.he isnt helping my son,it feels like hes just going threw the motions,nothing else,but i do know we have a court date early june,the judge we have is very strict,he wont let us say nothing.we have been in that courtroom at least 6 times now for case management,etc.it is comming close to him getting my son in prison,if you wanna use use as your first person for aclu good.i have a gmail account,let me know what i need to do to get this going as fast as possible,im afraid my son is on borrowed time as it is.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com May 25, 2012 12:29 PM

Yes, send all the information to the email shown here. As much information as you can. As far as attorney’s are concerned; if anyone is having trouble with an attorney filing motions to dismiss based on objective/subjective entrapment then have him dismissed. File a motion with the court to dismiss counsel and have conflict free counsel appointed through the Office of Criminal Conflict and Civil Regional Counsel. If the court refuses to appoint different counsel then state that you want to represent yourself then due to irreconcilable differences and your sixth amendment right to effective counsel. The court should then be more compelled to appoint conflict free counsel at that point. This should take place at what is called a “Nelson Hearing”. See Nelson v. State, 274 So. 2d 256 (Fla. 4th DCA 1973).

What essentially needs to happen in all of these cases is the questions of law have to be reserved for appeal. If no motions are filed then there is no right to appeal. The only thing that can be done after a conviction (whether by plea or trial) is a motion for post conviction relief. (Fla. R. Crim. P. 3.850) If the court refuses to appoint conflict free counsel and/or refuses to hold a Nelson Hearing that is also an appealable issue. Here is a case that describes the error associated with not appointing conflict free counsel: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/fl-district-court-of-appeal/1597749.html.

“Generally, this court reviews whether a trial court conducted an adequate Nelson hearing under the abuse of discretion standard. Torres, 42 So.3d at 912. However, where the defendant has clearly alleged attorney incompetence and has unequivocally expressed his desire to discharge his counsel, then the court's failure to conduct a Nelson inquiry is reversible error. West, 958 So.2d at 1157 (citing Reid v. State, 826 So.2d 414, 415 (Fla. 2d DCA 2002))”. See Finfrock v. State, No. 2D10-4004 (Fla. 2nd DCA 2012) (the url above).

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com May 25, 2012 12:30 PM

Please don’t think that you have to accept substandard performance from your attorneys. These cases are winnable but require effective counsel.

scaredmomma May 26, 2012 1:14 PM

i cant send an email.i put your email in the space and it keeps saying error,could you send me a blank email,so i can send my sons information to you please.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com May 26, 2012 3:54 PM

I can’t send you an email because I don’t know what it is. Your profile does not have an email in it. Try to paste it, AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com , in the address bar of a new email.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com May 27, 2012 3:52 PM

What is going on? Everyone seemed to be in a hurry to “get the ball rolling” and now there is “silence”.

Deb Percival May 27, 2012 5:49 PM

I'm still here...'holiday' weekend...can't reach anyone. But I have been 'venting' on some Tallahassee station update page. And I WILL be 'stepping it up' this week on trying to the ACLU...as angered as I am...I do still try to carry on with my day to day life...but I do intend to do all that I can to help my Son-in-Law (& my daughter will be delivering their son in about 6 weeks). And of course...whatever I can do to help my Son-In-Law should hopefully help the other victims of the law enforcement predators.

Millie C. May 27, 2012 6:13 PM

I have the info to the respectives families, so they will contact you directly, I'm not directly affected but indirectly, so theres only so much I can do.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com May 30, 2012 6:07 AM

WHERE HAS THE FIRST AMENDMENT GONE!!!!! I am so angry right now I could chew steal and spit nails. This guy (Made mistake) gets arrested at his job for answering an ad with no idea what he was responding to? THEY PLACED THE AD! THEY WERE SEARCHING FOR “TROUBLE”. It is amazing how law enforcement have been given the task of “protecting our children” but all they are doing is ruining adult men’s lives by posing as SLUTS. SLUTS! SLUTS!

This is the first time that I have gotten news of a person that was actually arrested at their job. I read a news article that stated that law enforcement was going to start arresting people at their homes. The first thing I thought was that they couldn’t because without the substantial step there is no crime so it most obviously falls under the first amendment. See United States v. Gladish, 536 F.3d 646 (7th Cir. 2008).

Made mistake May 30, 2012 12:33 PM

The Tallahassee PD and the FDLE traveled 3 hours to where I work and took me into custody. All that I did was have an email conversation. Thats it. This is after they placed the ad with no age on the adult section of CL

Deb Percival May 30, 2012 7:17 AM

Yep...they are ripping our rights from us...and very few actually 'see' it.

Deb Percival May 30, 2012 7:18 AM

I don't believe we are 'Land of the Free' anymore.

Made mistake May 30, 2012 2:22 PM

I was doing a little research, and in the state of Florida I found an "Emergency Motion to Dismiss". It looks like you have the right to this if you haven't had your right to a speedy trial within 175 days from the arrest of a felony. This sting was done back in October 2011. If you google it, you can find the specific format and rules for the dismissal. I am going to ask my lawyer about this. Hopefully the state hasn't found a way to circumvent our 6th amendment constitutional rights

scaredmomma May 31, 2012 12:40 PM

i also researched the "emergency motion to dismiss"but i can guarantee in my sons case,the court,judge,states attorney,or someone will shoot us down,everything we have tried to due to this point has been nor nil.i do know and have known all my life that if you have the means(money)or power you can get a good deal.if you are not powerful or rich you get the screws.this is fact,im sure everyone is aware of this.the only think i expect from this is the truth about what really went on,so my son and the other sons and fathers can try to get back to a near normal life,i am aware that will never be possible but i wont quit trying to gain my kids freedom and rights back,my god the cops only took a few weeks to destroy a life it took a long time to achieve,my kid lost his car/smart phone/personal property,job and almost his wife and kids over this,i didnt know they could do all of this before you even went to trial.but they did .if they made mistakes which i know they made alot ,how can they justify taking peoples property months before they are even given a court date,how is all of that legal?let me guess because they are the law.thats bull,they are not above the law,no more than everyone else.although at times they all get away with things we as normal working people would be thrown in jail for.and even when busted they seem to be able to slither out of most of it.i just wish kids were taught the brutal truth in school,not lied to about innocent until proven guilty-not

and the cops are your friends-not

and if you live as a law abiding citizen you will never have to worry about going to jail-not.those are all huge lies.not one ounce of truth in any of it-not any more,the american dream is sinking into the crap hole fast.just ask about half of the guys that got busted on or about october 16,20011 in tallahassee,florida.now there is a reverse of breaking the law,the cops did it and nothing will be done about it,personally a class action law suit is needed ,not later now,right now!we have to help these guys.not all im sure but the ones who we can,the aclu has to act asap.my sons time is running out,im sure others time is short also,it has to get started before a trial or plea hearing has happened,it is nearly impossible to reverse the damage if it goes that far,if we can get a group of these guys and their families together for a news story at least it will be a large group being heard not a few.remember how humiliating those damn mug shots being plastered on the evening news was,well id rather see my kids picture on the news with a group of other falsely accused men ,than i would in a damn police mug shot with the caption 34 child preditors arrested,my good god that was horrid.lets show this town we arewnt going to sit on our butts ant take this any longer,we need to allget together and get ahold of an unbiased tv reporter-hopefully not wxlt-i think thats it-channel 6 news in tallahassee ran that sex sting crap into the ground for 5 days,they arent un biased,thats for sure.we need one that is.ok any body else have any ideas??

Deb Percival June 4, 2012 10:41 AM

Well, please pray for us...federal court now has my Son-In-Law's case...we go the the federal courthouse for the 'bond reduction' hearing tomorrow...praying he gets to come home so he will be here for the birth of his child. Also pray that the federal public defenders do a good job and can get this mess dismissed.

I am still trying to reach the ACLU...have emailed and sent their form over via their site. When you call...seems you can't speak to anyone directly (shock, not)...the recording says to email or fill out the form on their site.

Scott Selfe June 13, 2012 5:59 PM

I have to say my story isn't to much different that the ones I've ready here. I actually wanted to vomit hear a cop on a radio station brag about how they are catching so many predators. Straight BS. Here is my story:

I moved to the Metro Atlanta area in the fall of 2005 leaving behind friends and loved ones. I was 34 years old, and had never been in trouble.

Being lonely and bored, after receiving a SPAM email introducing me to Adult Friend Finder, I joined, using my credit card. I chatted with people from all over the world. Some of the conversation was normal, some "tongue and cheek", and some quite a bit more salacious.

I started chatting with a gal who said she was 20, her profile state she was 20, and her profile also went into her interests; all sexual in nature. We were chatting, mostly just tongue and cheek with some normal stuff thrown in. She asked if I had IM and wanted to be "friends". I said what the heck. Then next day she contacted me asking if I wanted to "play". We had a salacious conversation that involved a webcam. Toward the end of the conversation she says, "You know how old I am, right?" I was thinking who the hell is this. I looked through my list and figured it must be the gal I play pool with at Yahoo Games a few nights earlier who had told me she was almost 18. So, I responded, "17 almost 18". She said, "No, I'm only 15". I didn't have kids on my friend list. I started asking what she was doing in an adult website, and who's credit card paid for it, etc. Her responses were all very crafty. (Obviously designed to keep me chatting. I had to leave so I "dissed" her.

The next day, she got on again asking if I wanted to "play". I was busy so I didn't. We had very small chit chat about nothing, then I had an appointment to get to.

The next day I had to leave for the home show in Atlanta, and while I pulled out I was surround by cops. I was confused wondering what the hell was going on. They told me I was under arrest, on a warrant in my dad's name (I lived in a basement apartment of their house and the utilities were in dad's name. They moved to town in winter 2005) None the less, I was cuffed, and shoved into the back of a cruiser. I was then interviewed, and blah blah blah.

I was then taken to the county "where the crime occurred" and booked and put in a cell. The next day at court, a bond hearing, I was given a $100,000 bond. Mind you, at this point I was 35, and the closest thing to court I had been was traffic court. Didn't have that kind of money, so I sat in jail for over 2 months until a "real" attorney was hired. He was able to get a new bond hearing to ask for a reduction which was successful.

Scott Selfe June 13, 2012 6:00 PM

Speed ahead to trial in November 2009. I was sickened to find out how corrupt the law enforcement and legal system are. I found out in no uncertain terms that what you are taught in school is total BS. Defense attorney's trade defendants, prosecutors will lie at any costs, and judges are just political animals looking for votes.

I had been indicted on 1 count of child molestation (didn't even leave the house, or lay a hand on anyone), and 1 count of obscene Internet Contact. I was found guilty on both counts. (Worthless ass defense attorney was hoping for a loss and the ability to get more money from me on an appeal). This guy was a joke. I could have made a better argument. Even more effed up, I was convicted on both counts, but with only one piece of evidence. Go figure. I was given 2 separate sentences (clearly double jeapordy), and the sentences I was given didn't even jive with the sentencing guidelines.

I went to prison.

Forward to January 30, 2008. The Georgia Court of Appeals reversed my conviction on the child molestation saying I would have had to been in some sort of spacial proximity to meet the elements of the crime. However, they did affirm count 2, which is only a probation sentence. Obviously the state was pissed. The asked the State Supreme Court for certiorari. The State Supreme Court basically told them to pound sand.

I am now on probation, had several motions shot down, but have a Habeas Corpus hearing pending. That is set for this October.

I have had more issues that one can imagine about finding housing, I've been stuck with commission only, contractor jobs in the construction world with no benefits and no steady income. (I'm a diabetic that spends $300 plus per month in insulin and diabetic supplies).

I can hardly fathom the number of ways these bastard have fucked me. So many Constitutional deprivations, it's laughable.

This shit definitely has to stop and I am more than on board with doing anything I can to stop them. I am a very angry man. In fact, my current attorney has told me he is amazed that I've been able to "hold it all together" given what I have been through. My brothers have disowned me, my relationship with my parents is strained, what friends I've had have turned their backs on me, not to mention all the financial wows.

I need to quit typing because now I'm getting really pissed thinking about it all again. I just want my life back. If I win my Habeas, I'll be taking the State, the local cops and their people to court asking for an obscene amount of money to compensate for what they have done to me.

I do understand the intent of the law. But if you wanna find the real "predators", set up a profile and MySpace, Facebook, Xanga, or something like that and sit back and wait for the guy who is looking for a kid to mess with. Leave the adult websites alone.

FTC July 29, 2012 5:51 PM

Lots of people are being entrapped, and having their lives ruined, sleep deprivation, malicious rumors, everyone in everyone town turned against them- for lies. However, in your post you state "started chatting with a gal who said she was 20, her profile state she was 20, and her profile also went into her interests; all sexual in nature. We were chatting, mostly just tongue and cheek with some normal stuff thrown in. She asked if I had IM and wanted to be "friends". I said what the heck. Then next day she contacted me asking if I wanted to "play". We had a salacious conversation that involved a webcam. Toward the end of the conversation she says, "You know how old I am, right?" I was thinking who the hell is this. I looked through my list and figured it must be the gal I play pool with at Yahoo Games a few nights earlier who had told me she was almost 18. So, I responded, "17 almost 18". She said, "No, I'm only 15"..."

No Offense sir, this as quoted is contradictory. First you say you thought it was the 20 yr. old because of the prior Salacious convo; how could this same person become someone else on a webcam? I don't get it. Don't get mad, I am against the fake stings and setups too-

In fact, I am looking for legal help, but haven't a clue who to go after. My brother isn't mad at me, he's now dead- in a tragic "accident" that happened because he couldn't sleep at any of my houses (he was a trucker and didn't want to settle in any place) due to the constant bombardment of EMF & sensory deprivation, psychological threats and persuasion by "them" whomever they are- WE STILL DON'T KNOW. They broke in my house, stole things, left "evidence" lying around, cut up our clothes, made messes & tried to say I was a bad mom, deliberately delayed or lost our mail & email, messed up our appointments to make me look unfit, popped our tires, put a vehicle tracker in my car(s) and showed up literally EVERYWHERE I went to harass and stalk me, used the cars geo-coordinates & timeframes to include literally every location I had ever been or presumed to have been, then entered in a geo-mapped and cached radius, controlled by cellular/radio waves that were capable of "talking" to me anywhere I ever went more than once. If I walk anywhere on foot, they have to track me by satellite and then include this new location in the setup- If I spend a dollar anywhere, they contact the manager of the business and the clerk who took my money, and I can usually tell the next time I go there, that they can't look me in the eyes- they are nervous/excited- I sense them like a dog would- and immediately want to "bite", this is very scary and I am mad too... they want me to be mad so that I can be labeled "violent" and thusly they can obtain an elevated risk assessment profile on me, based on other lies of mental disorder(s), etc., then commit me for the rest of my life, once they are done driving me entirely crazy- but first, I have to hurt someone, or threaten to do so- right? What judge authorized this, or was the judge lied to? Is that even legal to do this to someone, in a pre-indictment phase? Nearly impossible to carry on in life this way- and THIS IS ALL HAPPENING IN AMERICA, tell that to the ACLU for me okay? CA Native- anonymous.

concerne June 14, 2012 9:48 AM

Some very interesting and scary reading!

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com June 14, 2012 7:45 PM

What is so scary about the content of this blog? Is the scary part that people are actually starting to stick up for the men arrested or is it the fact the public has been hoodwinked about the stings? Let’s examine the facts to see what is scarier.

Most people don’t know that about 80 percent of middle aged males are attracted to young teenage girls whether they know it or not. Therefore, these studies suggest (if they do not conclusively prove) that most of the officers that conduct these stings are getting turned on and aroused themselves by the very fantasies that they create. This is more than likely true because how can an undercover officer play an undercover role and conduct a “successful” sting if he/she is not aroused and “in character”. Having said this, and the fact that they create the scenarios, the police officers are doing the same thing that they arrest the “criminals” for but in fact have went a step further because they inspired the activity. (Keep in mind that when the criminal element is manufactured by police then it is entrapment.) The men being arrested are not using the internet to prey on minors like the law enforcement agencies claim because if they were then they would be on minor oriented web sites and in online gaming communities where minors are known to be. Moreover, the men being arrested are not trying to “cover their tracks” by masking their IP addresses and are going to sites that they whole heartedly expect to be conversing with adults.

Deb Percival June 16, 2012 9:48 AM

YEP!!!

FTC July 29, 2012 6:03 PM

Very insightful of you- I've often read the ridiculous allegations against certain people accused of effing dogs & barn animals, or inserting vaseline coated mice into their bodily cavities & thought- geeze, wonder what sick, bored agent dreamed up that one?!? Same difference with MOST of the underage online stings... and to be fair, the hormones in food these days has caused "children" to look like they're 25 sometimes, until you see their faces, you'd swear you were looking at a very fit & smooth legged, large rumped adult- when they turn around it is shocking to see a little girl- I am a woman, so I am not attracted to young girls, but I can imagine how men, being sleazy in nature in the first place would be unfairly lured into things, especially if someone was posing as an adult to begin with. Why though, would one WANT to have a fantasy about a 13 yr. old girl, no matter what she actually looked like? Thought is taboo and not a crime, but it is thought that leads to action- so are you telling me you think about having sex with 13 year old girls? I lost my virginity at the age of 13, to a boy my same age- it was terrible and not fun at all. I think these fantasies you describe are very selfish, and strange. You might want to try and please women near your own age, that are actually capable of LIKING sex, and really having a good orgasm- don't be afraid! You know what I fantasize about? Meeting a man who does NOT want to have sex with my children, who is good in bed or at least tries to be,whom I can trust who won't cheat on me with the babysitter some day. According to you, it's never going to happen. Thanks.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com June 14, 2012 7:48 PM

Speaking of adult sites; the content that is on them is downright filthy. The things that are talked about and advertised are immoral, taboo, and even illegal. There are some sites that specifically advertise role plays involving sex with young teenage girls. Some of these sites actually have hotlines that can be called to physically talk to someone pretending to be a promiscuous teen wanting to have sex with an adult male. So if these things are illegal then why do they exist? The fact is they are not illegal and protected by the first amendment. Therefore, these conversations that men are arrested for are protected by the first amendment too. The only difference is that they are being conducted by trigger happy law enforcement officials that encourage the men to go “too far”just so they can make an arrest using the first amendment against them. There is no such thing as an illegal conversation especially amongst your peers that are encouraging you to talk about the very thing that you went to the adult site for: sex and pornography.

The fact that most child molestation cases occur within the home as well as the fact that none of the men arrested are registered sex offenders is proof enough for me. The only thing that appears to be going on with these stings is a war on morality that involves a bunch of lies and pointing fingers by law enforcement officials that are way too conservative and hypocritical. I am willing to stick up for an immoral person without a criminal record any day compared to law enforcement agencies that load the prisons with innocent people because they are too lazy to conduct real investigations involving real criminals. Finally, let’s not forget that these men are staring at a computer screen loaded with pornographic images of adults and are not the kind of people that would abduct, rape, and kill an innocent child and that the case law herein proves the stings are illegal and are not upheld by the constitution.

Deb Percival June 16, 2012 9:52 AM

well said...but another thing...my Son-In-Law responded to an ADULT craigslist personal ad...he was not on a porn site...and does not look at porn...no porn was even found on his computer.

concerne June 15, 2012 1:45 PM

It is interesting in what you are writing so I did some research. I looked at 22 arrest that occured in Fl. last year. I do not see anyone winning on entrapment. In fact, I dont see anyone winning. So far 15 cases closed and all of them are on the sex offender list. I tried to check out their criminal records but I could not find much on them. The public site said they got probation so I contacted the county to see what type of probation. They told me 15 years. Most of them have 4 count against them, 2 or 3 get dropped in a plea bargain.

When I read the newpaper, it says the police post on the sites and people respond to the ads. But now I am learning the police go into adult sites and pretend to be teenagers. When I first starting reading on these stings, I thought the police were doing a good job but now I wonder. Are they really catching sex offenders? Follow the money trail, who is funding these stings?

Does anyone know of any cases where the charges are dropped? It would be interesting to read their defense.

Deb Percival June 16, 2012 9:57 AM

law enforcement has become THE PREDATOR preying on the weaknesses of men...'normal' men...NOT the child predators they are 'supposed' to be after. they are going for the 'easy kill'...if they wanted to catch the the ones that NEED to be caught...they'd be monitoring the site where CHILDREN actually hang out...child predators wouldn't be looking at ADULT personal ads...crazy! law enforcement is just out fabricating crimes...it's all about money...and their abuse of their 'power'. I wish the public...and the whole 'system' would WAKE UP...whole families lives are being ruined!

FTC July 29, 2012 6:22 PM

If they want to catch PREDATORS, they need to look in the state funded & privately licensed foster & group homes. There are men there that rape foster children (who are already traumatized from being taken from their mothers, just because mommy had a headache & didn't feel like cleaning the house that week) and use them to make porno videos, then use the online websites they sell the videos on to advertise & arrange "dates" for the children; then sell them to the men- their wives, sit idly by and watch their husband purchase this rented child, sometimes it's even the child's own parents who do this... luring unsuspecting friends to help them deliver the child to his "grandparents house" for the weekend- while you have no idea what is really happening, but later on you are sickened when all of the pieces are put together in your mind. This is really happening in California, at least back in 2004- I have no idea where these victims are, but they are now grown-ups and are most likely preying on others the way that they were TAUGHT. They were sold to perverts by the corrupt system, so they could be used some more- nice. In some online reading, I found out it only takes 6 wks. to become licensed as a foster parent, whether you're married or not, own a home or rent & it never even mentions psychological evaluation or background check. Funny, you have to have all of these things to keep your own children out of the hands of the corrupt system, but none of these things to take someone else's children. Why? These are our children! I would never ever do anything weird to my kids and literally throw up and cry when I think of anyone exploiting them or harming their trust, stealing their innocence. Is anyone with me? Can't we go after the REAL bad guys instead of framing up innocent people for things? Also, predators hang out in person with your children, at soccer games, at the toy store, at the rec center, at the swimming pool, at church & sunday school, at elementary school, at summer camp, at the boy scout meetings, and everywhere else... They are smart enough to not go trolling for underage kids online, they know better & are friends with everyone. It's loners who lose, the worse someone is the more able they are to fool everyone, complete sociopaths, friends with everyone, the pillar of the community, etc., etc. Most prison sentences that are overly harsh seem to stem from Salem Witch Trial-esque schemes, centered on overly introverted nice people who offer up no initial smoke screen to being effed with- notice how the cops never mess with BAD GUYS? Seriously, I know actual murderers who have more free of a life, no arrest, no stalker cops,than myself who has done literally nothing wrong to anyone at all.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com June 15, 2012 8:52 PM

The Department of Justice is funding these stings through the Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force. Also, the law enforcement agencies that label a certain amount of sex offenders get an increase in that budget just to perform more of the illegal stings. Therefore, the Department of Justice essentially has made a game out of these stings to see who creates the most sex offenders and not catches them. Essentially if they were catching sex offenders then they would not receive any “reward”. They only receive an increase for the new “sex offenders” they arrest. That’s why these men do not have any records.

Nobody is winning on entrapment because the judges are not applying the precedence appropriately. You have to remember that these men are convicted before they even get to court because of those libelous news paper articles. The articles are written to make the public believe that the ads posted are advertising for sex with a minor but they are not. I also thought that the ads that police responded to were ads trying to exploit children but then I later learned from someone that was arrested that he posted an ad for sex with a woman. Now why would law enforcement respond to an ad looking for sex with an adult woman to try to catch a child predator? The answer is they wouldn’t. They are just trying to make a sex offender. Do not quote me on this but I think what happened was an undercover officer responded to the ad as a teenager wanting sex from him. This is nothing more than virtue testing, illegal, and unconstitutional.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com June 15, 2012 8:54 PM

Now, a little bit about the game. The idea is to charge these guys with as many charges as possible so that they can almost guarantee a conviction on at least one. This is also illegal because all the charges usually stem from one event. Therefore, there should be only one charge against them but then they probably could not get a conviction. The police officers actually go through a script that they must follow in order for them to be able to charge these guys with as many charges as possible. Therefore, they know what they are going to charge these guys with before they even conduct the sting. That’s why all of them typically have the same charges. Finally, someone lied to you because the average sentence that I have seen has been five years probation which makes sense because that’s the maximum prison sentence of a third degree felony.

The charges that are dropped are not merely the result of signing a plea because this is just a “smoke screen”. The charges that are dropped in a plea are the ones that they really cannot prove. An example of such a charge would be “transmission of harmful material to a minor”. This charge cannot be proven because (1) usually the undercover officer asks the “suspect” to send pornographic pictures and (2) the adult environment is loaded with pornographic images. Another example would be “use of a two way communication device to facilitate a felony” because (according to police) the felony had already occurred and the “suspects” are only using their phone because the officer instructed them to use it to ensure that they actually make it to the undercover location.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com June 15, 2012 8:55 PM

What makes me the most angry (besides the illegal stings and the lies we are told) is that these men are being required to register as sex offenders when there is not a victim. About half of the men that have actually molested a vulnerable child (sometimes multiple children) are not required to register as sex offenders because of a plea that reduces the molestation charge to “aggravated child abuse” which is not an offense that requires registration. Therefore, the real sex offenders are still under the radar while the ones that are created in a sting for exercising their first amendment rights who have never molested a child and WILL NEVER molest a child are now stuck with a label that does not fit. Trust me! It is all about the money. They just tell us they are protecting our children because it sounds good. Meanwhile, a man that has actually molested a child who is not a sex offender is living right next door to you drooling over your kids and you don’t even know about it!

FTC July 29, 2012 6:39 PM

True, yes& no. "Meanwhile, a man that has actually molested a child who is not a sex offender is living right next door to you drooling over your kids and you don’t even know about it!" I always know it- can sense it & even SEE it... what is on their mind. I would like to get a group started called Nambla Hunters Anonymous, and travel abroad and make them disappear, for a real long time. These expatriots as they call themselves, should really watch out- I don't want them touching my kids, but I also don't want them touching anyone elses either. I cannot get Freedom in American, because of all the things you say are true about so-called justice now. Money trail, that's right. It's all about the money from start to finish and it amounts to job security, because when you take children from parents and put them in foster care they end up in prison. When you take decent non-criminals and frame them up they don't know when to shut up, so they end up in prison. The prisons are over-funded and privatized, making this big business. Also, Big Pharma is involved, because all of these people are now heavily medicated. Our government is now a cartel. Where can we go? Why should we have to? I loved our country, really, was born with my hand on my chest. Under the radar you say? Funny, that's exactly what the man who illegally implanted a tracking/barcode device in my uterus joked with me about when he told me they were planning to take my kids away. This is all big business, just business as usual. I am not a murderer, or a pervert- or anything at all- now, I can't work, can't sleep, can't take my family anywhere without being harassed & stalked. THey have stolen my life and I can't get it back- they have contributed to my brother's death, which we can never get back, no matter how many million dollars we get from whomever after proving the misconduct by police/DOJ/FBI.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com June 16, 2012 7:23 PM

Craigslist is loaded with porn. That is what 90% of the adult ads are; solicitations for adult dating sites or porn sites. However, the only way to see them is to respond to an ad and click on the link in the email. Therefore, you never expect to be talking to a real person except maybe 1 out of ten times.

aladdin June 18, 2012 4:48 PM

For those wondering about the money trail check this out:

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150533528368621

1156 investigations spearheaded by Grady Judd. Every investigation leads to more arrests which leads to more money for the Polk County Sheriff's Office and more opportunities for Grady Judd to get in front of a camera to sell his brand of distorted half truths and outright lies. The more he inflames the public the more agencies he gets to sign on with "his" task force which in turn leads to even more investigations, arrests, money and most of all more power in the hands of everyone's favorite megalomaniac, Grady Judd.

Judd holds his wonderful press conferences chock full of misleading information in order to poison the jury pool which in turn gets more of these men to take plea agreements. It is impossible to get an impartial jury in Polk County now. Just ask any criminal defense attorney that's ever defended one of these men. He or she will have horror stories of going through the jury selection process and ending up with jurors that flat out stated "I'm here to convict".

Remember each conviction benefits Judd far more than meets eye.

Deb Percival June 19, 2012 7:19 AM

grrrr....insane! why are people so blind and stupid?? why won't they think for themselves?? why do they believe everything the media says...everything the 'system' says??? grrrr...it's like a modern day witch hunt...the 'system' riled the people up...they burned innocent women that were accused of being witches...now the 'system' is getting the 'sheeple' riled and fabricating/entrapping men...it should be common sense...I just glanced at the above facebook link...they are so proud that the numbers on the sex registry have increased...but it makes no logical sense...and the 'public' is so eager to believe that the 'system' is protecting them...crazy...law enforcement are the true PREDATORS these days. haven't the statistics shown that the majority of the child predators are family members and/or friends...NOT some stranger browsing ADULT ads/sites...just crazy!

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com June 19, 2012 5:21 PM

I came across an internet sting where ads were placed in Panama City Beach. I don’t know who was conducting it but these are the kinds of ads they are placing on Craigslist in the adult personals section:

Yung and“Still” lookin for fun-from last night-w4m- 99 (PC)

Tried last night but no luck... WTF is up PC lol !!!

Tired of being a V!!!-w4m- 99 (PCB)

Looking for my knight in shining armor.....

These ads are sexually explicit/suggestive and were posted right next to something on the lines of “let me suck your (blank)”. Furthermore, these ads are not tailored to catch predators or even sex offenders. Also, notice the age is “99” and that these ads are targeting men which is unconstitutional. These ads are meant to encourage any random man (unknowing innocent man) with enough curiosity to click on them. Look out for these kinds of ads and by all means respond to them. You will see exactly what kind of game they play. You certainly will realize who the true predator is. Be sure to “lead them on” a little bit and I bet you will get an address in less than an hour. However, be sure to document everything and take screen shots of the ads and the Craigslist page you saw it on.

Phillip Kessler June 20, 2012 4:57 AM

here is the result of those ads in Panama City. Its all over the news as well

http://www.newsherald.com/articles/investigation-103541-lynn-results.html

Phillip Kessler June 20, 2012 6:08 AM

and also these articles as well

http://www.wjhg.com/home/headlines/12_People_Arrested_in_Internet_Sex_Sting_in_Bay_County_159644065.html

http://www.wmbb.com/story/18831217/12-arrested-in-undercover-internet-sex-sting

concerne June 20, 2012 10:20 AM

I added a comment to one of the sites you posted on. I tried to add a similar comment on this site:

http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/Preliminary_Hearing_Underway__151880445.html?storySection=comments#commentAnchor.

Apparently it is monitored and not all comments are allowed. It seems really one sided. They call him Satan and all kinds of names. How can he get a fair trial in his county? His case comes up soon and his attorney filed entrapment. I haven't seen anyone win on this defense.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com June 20, 2012 10:49 AM

Well I came across those ads early in the morning on the 18th and the next evening they were gone. That means that it ended the same day that article came out. I noticed that they got people from out of state but that does not make sense to me. Why would someone be looking for a sexual encounter almost 4 hours away? That means that they are not just placing local ads they are placing them in different neighboring cities too. I noticed that they had caught one guy that might have actually posed a threat since he was convicted of kidnapping but that might have been something related to child custody which is no big deal. There is no way to tell why he brought the handcuffs and rope. Maybe the chat was about some kind of grotesque bondage.

After reading the article at http://www.newsherald.com/articles/investigation-103541-lynn-results.html I was at least relieved to know that they actually told the truth about them placing ads for sex. Normally they lie and say the ads are “innocent” and do not implant the idea of sex. However, the sample ad that they had in the article is exactly what I have been trying to say about not targeting child predators and just anyone who succumbs to the lure of the bait. The ad “yung fun 4 U – w4m – 26” is bothersome for me because this ad makes it sound like a 26 year old woman is looking for an older man to have sex with. However, this ad seems to be the scenario of the 26 year old boyfriend and “his 13 year old girlfriend”. Therefore, even the ad was not advertising the correct scenario and there is no way for someone to know what the truth is by reading it. This means that a man very well could have responded to this ad expecting a 26 year old woman to want sex with them. Instead they get the boyfriend scenario after they already respond to the ad and by that time it is too late because the conversation of sex has already been brought up. Not only is this false advertising but it is a poorly set trap if you ask me. I thought the ads that I found were along the lines of entrapment but this one is even better.

Deb Percival June 20, 2012 7:39 PM

Yes, they are targeting guys from a distance so they can add more charges...I know someone who responded to an ADULT craigslist ad in the Brunswick,GA section...they manipulated, lured and seduced him into driving to Gainesville,FL. (he is a FL resident btw). law enforcement is now THE PREDATOR preying on the weaknesses of men...doesn't seem like they are even trying to catch the ones that need to be caught (the actual child predators)...if they were trying to catch them they'd be watching the places where children actually hang out...this is so insane

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com June 20, 2012 10:50 AM

The ages of 99 and 26 certainly do not give any indication of illegal child solicitation activities. “Tired of being a Virgin” does not even give an indication of that because I have met 30 year old virgins before which is well over the legal age and would make sense why “she” would be tired of being a virgin. However, certainly a 99 year old woman is not going to be a virgin (unless she is the Virgin Mary) but whoever responds to the ad is still not going to know the age. While the article did not lie about what kinds of ads were being posted it still proves my point that they are not targeting child predators but sexual predators. They are performing the typical “bait and switch”. They place these ads that do not give any indication of a minor and are sexually suggestive on a site where people are already looking for sex that is loaded with fake ads of pornography so when a man finally gets a response from a “real person” they continue talking and are “lured in” strictly by fantasy. These fantasies are ones that they did not have before responding to the ad but were forced into by the encouragement of law enforcement and this kind of encouragement is illegal.

Deb Percival June 20, 2012 7:31 PM

EXACTLY!

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com June 20, 2012 10:50 AM

The average law abiding citizen does not want to victimize and hurt a child. The average law abiding teen does not post ads on adult personals looking for sex with adults. Consequently, when a man responds to an ad expecting an adult to engage in immoral casual sex who is advertising that they want it but instead merely stumbles into a “teen” wanting and encouraging it; it does not take much to induce them since they are already engaged in immoral activity. Cases might not be winning on entrapment grounds here in Florida but they are winning in other states. The only reason why cases are not winning here in Florida is because the precedence presented in this blog is being ignored. “It is, perhaps, inevitable that such an operation will ensnare an otherwise law-abiding citizen with sexual fantasies – involving conduct which is illegal, immoral, taboo, or all three – upon which he or she would not otherwise act were the opportunity not presented to them.” See People v. Grizzle (Colo. Ct. App. 2006). “We do not condone general forays into the population at large by government agents to question at random the citizenry of this country to test their law abiding nature, i.e., virtue testing.” See Lusby v. State 507 So. 2d 611 (1987).

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com June 20, 2012 11:10 AM

Oh yeah! As a side note about the article at http://www.newsherald.com/articles/investigation-103541-lynn-results.html responding to Bay County Sheriff Frank McKeithen stating these men are“dangerous pieces of crap that traveled to Bay County to have sex with a child”: LMAO.

Also, responding to John Madsen’s comment stating: “We don’t target anybody. We allow them to target us. That’s key.” You are targeting MEN engaged in the immoral activity of looking for sex with ADULTS not children. The ads your agencies posted were meant to lure ANY MAN in and NOT A CHILD PREDATOR.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com June 20, 2012 11:15 AM

Furthermore, those ads do implant the idea to have sex with someone and even though the ads did not specify a minor it is still entrapment especially since they constitute a “bait and switch”!

john jones June 21, 2012 4:43 PM

I have a friend who was caught in a sting and has been put through hell. After reading his discovery this is what happened. He replied to a ad posted on a adult site which I personally believe violate the site terms and aggreements in order to ever place that ad. The add was for a MW4M 61. Role play threesome is what he thought he was replying to. When asked by my friend what the person want the detective (who was not pretending to be a child but an adult) stated he wanted to just watch. After talk to this adult for a couple hours the detective asked my friend to meet him at a location (not the house like the press stated). My friend asked if there would be any minor at this location the detective said NO. So since it would be just him and my friend, my friend didnt think it would be illegal since the conversation between two adult should be protected under his ammendment right of speech. When arrived at said location he was arrested and charged with attempt, traveling, recieving/making computer statements and enticement. Now attemp is a achoat crime which means the state has to prove he was passed the planning stage and has moved into th3 carrying out stage and they have to prove it was factually posible to commit battery. Now if he was going to said location to talk wouldnt that be still planning and is it posible to commit battery on a minor if no minor would be at said location. Making computor statement? All communication was with a detective pretending to be an adult. Is their coversation illegal even if it was taboo? Enticement, in the conversation I read in his discovery the detective was the first one to mention anything about sex. How is that enticement? Traveling, is it illegal to travel to talk to an adult even if the subject is taboo? Now my friend bailed out at over $100,000 bail and has already spent $12,000 on an attorney. He lost his job, his wife devorsed him, most of his friend turned their back to him. He does get to see his kids. DCF found no abuse in his house or on his kids. The kids are devistated because diaddy has been in their life every day up until his arrest. From my prospective the kids are the ones being hurt here. Now I do not like what my $riend did and he is ashamed of it BUT I do not think it is criminal or do i think he is a peditor. Stupid and made a huge mistake yes. This story is true and it is not was in the papers nor is it the version the detectives told his family. It is the version as stated in his discovery. Justice?

FTC July 29, 2012 7:00 PM

I don't understand, what is taboo about a 3some with 3 adults, no matter what location they meet? And who has ever asked someone if a "minor" would be there, at the location, why would that even cross someone's mind- nobody would have a 3 some with kids around, damn, I didn't even make love to my child's father when our son was awake or at home- we were very discreet, and we lived together! Your friend seems to have been set-up, but that is what the cops do-they never get caught, and get their yearly bonuses no matter what- the good ole boys are corrupt, haven't we always known that? I am actually surprised DCF didn't take the kids, the house must have been SPOTLESS! I've heard of them taking kids for a sink full of dishes. 12 thousand on an attorney is a very good deal, most attorneys charge 30 thousand just to start, at least the ones I talked to- can you give me your friend's attorney's contact info. please?

raymond Justice June 22, 2012 8:44 AM

wow....yesterday I looked on the WJHG website in panama City regarding that sting and there were at least 40 comments.... this morning there is 11. looks like they monitor that real close too

Deb Percival June 22, 2012 12:54 PM

'they' don't want the 'sheeple' to know/see the truth...I'm sure 'they' are not too happy that some people are starting to speak up and speak out about this mess

Phillip Kessler June 22, 2012 4:47 PM

there were quite a few too. they did leave some good comments though

higgs-bosonBoy June 28, 2012 5:55 PM

As of right now I'm in the same situation , I'm a 25 year old young male who recently moved to America from central America (I'm a born American though) where I lived 10 years of my life... Since I moved here I have struggled with depression obviously because of a lack of friends with which to associate myself... I finally got a girlfriend, we broke up and remained friends ... She recommended I create a profile on a dating site... BIGGEST MISTAKE OF MY LIFE. One day, I receive a message from a 24 year old female we literally talked only a few minutes and she gave me her address at some point during the conversation she mentions that she lied about her age and says she's 14 ... Mind you the conversation we were having was not sexual at all, I was already driving when I discovered this, and thought damn I'm already driving I might as well just see if she's a real person honestly and I did mention this in the call I made to the supposed minor that I thought she was probably a car theif since she asked me what type of car I was driving several times , I was so bored I didn't turn back even though it was obviously suspicious ... The offercers kept trying to push the phone conversation in a sexual direction and honestly I dont remember but I might have said something sexual at some point , keep in mind the age was only mentioned once and via message not phone so I was pretty disconnected I AM NOT ATTRACTED TO GIRLS THAT YOUNG ... Anyways I arrive at the location, I did have a condom in my pocket but it had been there even before the conversation ... The cops arrested me questioned me and booked me... My phone and iPad were confiscated and I gave them permission to confiscate my MacBook since I felt it would help since I know I don't have any child porn or encriminating stuff on there... What I didn't know was that I wouldn't be getting my stuff back ... I'm in school so I had to drop my classes -.- I lost my job and have not be able to find one... My parents own a business downtown so I got an attorney who has charged us the cost of a BMW so far -.- plus the bail bonds which were like 8 or 9k.... I feel my life has been ruined and I feel more suicidal and alone than ever... I dont have a tv so I'm just in my condo looking at the walls and using my iPhone to find information about my circumstance, honestly I don't know what to do ... I've never been arrested, I'm super Bright and I've never even done drugs ... What's the conviction rate for these cases because I won't survive in jail I'm a skinny guy, I'm into fashion

higgs-bosonBoy June 28, 2012 6:05 PM

Let's just say I'm not the manliest man, I'm classy elegant, and well spoken which I sense angered the detectives that arrested me since I was well spoken in fact that I belong to a racial minority ... That day I was arrested I planned on going to the zoo and taking some pictures photography was my dream career but since my arrest my dreams have all been shattered ... I have had work published and exhibited in art galleries downtown and an art gallery owner told me not to contact them anymore -.- honestly not having friends photography and fashion editorial work is the only thing that kept me alive before all this and I feel it's been stripped away... I lost my job as a business analyst as well and my bills are starting to rack up my parents are already in a 30,000+ situation and can't help me so idk ... I moved back to the USA because I thought it would be a good place of opportunity but i now see how the innocent get their dreams stripped away... Again I don't know what to do and I'd really like some advice I'm scared I was in jail 3 days I which I didn't sleep or eat and I feel I would rather die than return, especially since I'm not into kids and I didn't actually do anything except show up at a location... It's not like I was lurking Facebook for minors I was on a dating site for adults and they lured me... I honestly had other plans for the day :/

higgs-bosonBoy June 28, 2012 6:10 PM

I didn't Think the USA was a totalitarian state in which Orwellian principals governed and the thought police ran ramped... They seem to believe - Ignorance is power, war is peace, freedom is slavery - I don't share those beliefs I do not wish to live in a 1984 style society where someone tries to determine my intentions and ruins my life based on actions that were never performed... In all honestly I knock on the door a 14 year old appears I leave then what???? I don't see the logic of persecution if an illegal action wasn't ever performed, I do see the economic motivation though -.- and it sickens me!

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com June 28, 2012 9:25 PM

Now you listen to me higgs-bosonBoy! You better not commit suicide! If this is a cry for help then it has been heard by me. If you want a friend then I will be your friend. Another thing is that you named yourself higgs-bosonBoy but yet you wrote that you are into photography and fashion but that does not make any sense to me. Physics and fashion are worlds (even galaxies) apart. Well never mind that.

I am curious to know what adult dating site you were on. I have always heard that the police were not allowed to contact anyone in a sting. They have to wait for someone to contact them. Are you sure that you were contacted first? I am not trying to say you are lying; I just want to get the story straight. If they did contact you first then that is most certainly entrapment under the Florida statute cited above and not just due process entrapment.

I would not be surprised if you do confirm that they contacted you first because these stings are meant to create sex offenders and not catch them. They are not meant to catch people actually looking for a minor but just to see who they can “talk into it” and (infinitely worse) who they can make LOOK guilty. I am also not surprised that you did not have a sexual conversation with this 26 year old who then turned out to be 14. I am also not surprised that you thought “she” was a car thief. I am not surprised that you had no intentions of having sex with anyone. I have heard all of these stories before from men just like you.

Send me an email so we can discuss in greater detail about your situation and find out where you are in the “legal” process. Legal! Yeah right.

higgs-bosonBoy June 29, 2012 4:14 AM

What happened is I think I sent a repeated message to like 20 profiles like a week before saying hey check out my profile bla bla bla... I had two accounts one on ok cupid and the other datehookup.com since it has an iPhone app... Oh and the reason I used the higgsboson handle is because I use to be into physics and a lot of other scientific stuff actually I was writing a book it was on the computer they took from me, it was about social inequality though... And I'm holding on to life but it's really really hard, i really can't go to prison! My whole life I tried to follow the rules so I'm very let down with the system right now ... My attorney keeps saying this is nothing and it will be a slap on the wrist but honestly I don't believe it...

Made mistake June 29, 2012 12:43 PM

You are amongst friends here. I was wrapped up in a sting where i answered an ad in the adult section of Craigslist.I never even showed up to meet the person and only had a email conversation. They Drove 2.5 hours away to where I work and arrested me on the spot. I never sent any nude pics, just had a sexual conversation with someone i thought was trying to scam me. I ended the conversation after they called me thinking that would be the end of it. I Don't like Young girls, that is why I was in the ADULT section of craigslist. Currently my lawyer is drafting a dismissal of all charges due to some things done illegally (I can't mention on here until its completed). Chin up man, if your charges get dropped, I'd go after the state for damages. I plan on going after the state and feds and plan on getting my job and life back. be a fighter and you will get through this

higgs-bosonBoy June 29, 2012 4:15 AM

They used the datehookup.com account

Deb Percival June 29, 2012 8:21 PM

This whole thing is a BIG mess. My Son-In-Law is going through this as well. He responded to an ADULT craigslist ad...I wish the public and the 'system' would hurry up and WAKE UP! Whole families' lives are being ruined to their power hungry, money hungry sloppy 'sting operations'! My Son-In-Law had a meeting with his Public Defender today. Guess a possible 'plea' was mentioned...a possibility of 4yrs as opposed to 10(+)yrs...how is THAT 'justice'...for (innocent) people to feel forced to take a plea so that don't chance a much longer time behind bars???? and I doubt that the jury gets to hear that this mess is happening to HUNDREDS of men across the country! Law enforcement has become the actual PREDATOR! And the predators that are supposedly after are walking around safe and sound...because a blind, warped 'system'.

Higgs: I understand your fear, pain and frustration...please try to be strong...we're all praying for the miracle of the public and the 'system' to see 'the big picture'. My heart goes out to you and the other guys in the same mess :-(

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com June 30, 2012 10:53 AM

Most people are stupid. All of the good posts at http://www.wjhg.com/home/headlines/12_People_Arrested_in_Internet_Sex_Sting_in_Bay_County_159644065.html that prove these stings are illegal were deleted. In the process of trying to prove these stings are illegal the people that disagreed (and still do) ultimately supported their argument with the statement that the constitution does not exist. That comment really says a lot when you take into account the last comment made by buck65 (probably a law enforcement officer like Leeza49):“The rights of a child predator be damned!”

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com June 30, 2012 10:55 AM

So here is how I responded in case it gets deleted:

The fact is that you agree the stings are illegal but do not care because it is the “best way” that law enforcement can catch POSSIBLE child predators because they cannot catch real child predators. What you fail to realize is that making a stupid mistake that a man was talked into by someone else does not coincide with being a child predator and you don’t even believe in the constitution. What you also fail to see is the NUMEROUS men that are not even talked into ANYTHING but are either victims of circumstance (the circumstance of being on an adult website) or the victims of crooked law enforcement making them look guilty because they are just looking for an easy arrest. Forget about the legal aspects of it. If you think that lying and setting up innocent men is moral and honorary, then ******** you, your “innocent children”, your unconstitutional opinions, and your tyrannical views on government as being justice. Oh yeah, and thanks for deleting my posts. You wouldn’t want someone to actually see on the other side of your crooked fence.

raymond Justice June 30, 2012 1:12 PM

those people on the WJHG Blog turned into idiots. When they were proven wrong or didn't have anything to say, they would resort to calling people names and slamming the constitution. I noticed they deleted the comment where I told them I'm a 19 year veteran that fights for the constitution. They resorted to calling me a coward because I wanted nothing further to do with the conversation after they said the constitution was a "worthless piece of trash". Of course my posts got deleted as well

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com June 30, 2012 11:05 AM

Anarchy is better than tyranny and oppression by any government that results from abusing civil rights.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com June 30, 2012 11:23 AM

Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.

Thomas Paine, The Crisis, December 1776

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com July 1, 2012 7:45 PM

Everyone should read this article about stings concerning underage minor sales. It is dead on when related to internet stings. Here is the url:

http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/inthenews/underagedrinking/1106619302.html

“It’s important to enforce the law, but it’s also important to follow the law in doing so.”

Deb Percival July 1, 2012 8:31 PM

why is law enforcement not going after real criminals...why do they feel that they must set up all of these entrapment stings???? there is plenty of real crime going on without having to ruin the lives of families.

raymond Justice July 2, 2012 9:03 AM

My favorite line in that story is "sting operations can only be conducted against the“unwary guilty,” not the “unwary innocent.”

ANd another part I like is "The only way to ensure that only the "unwary guilty" are caught in the trap is to create a history of the cashier in question with the use of surveillance or repeated compliance checks which are not also sting operations.”

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com July 2, 2012 10:14 AM

Essentially what these statements mean is that reasonable suspicion and probable cause must exist in order to perform a sting. Some kind of investigative work must be done before the sting to justify conducting it. These things do not exist for internet stings and they are just randomly conducted, are “fishing trips”, and nothing more than virtue testing which have been condemned by case law. Finally, be sure to read the article “Compliance Checks and the Issue of Entrapment” that explains that law enforcement are not allowed to break the law to enforce it.

FTC July 29, 2012 7:15 PM

@Deb Pervical- because cops are pussys- they are afraid of real bad guys and would never ever break into a real bad guys house and mess with their stuff and eff with their belongings, cut up their clothes, follow them around in public(when the bad guy had a gun) and say to the back of their head "there's the gun!" about an inch away from them. They only do that to good guys, like us, who even when holding a gun, it is legal in Arizona to do that, would not even know how to react, or even actually pose a threat to them- that is why. Nice guys finish last. Cops and volunteers are unfulfilled sorry cunts who get off on bullying those they deem lower than them, or worse who threaten their intelligence, so they are relentless- the long arm of the law enjoys being completely and firmly inserted very far up your arse.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com July 1, 2012 8:00 PM

Oh and this quote from the article is even better:

"To prevent illegal entrapment retail establishments should not be randomly selected."

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com July 1, 2012 8:38 PM

Everyone needs to read this article called "Compliance Checks and the Issue of Entrapment". It states that the reason why law enforcement do not go after criminals is because they believe that the law has been violated whether the person really wanted to or not. Here is the link:

http://www.oocities.org/uthurs_alcove/stings/Entrapment.html

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com July 3, 2012 10:25 AM

This teacher that was arrested in an internet sting in Osceola County is why they continue to do these internet stings because he had child pornography showing predisposition. However, law enforcement probably only arrest one of these guys per every one or two hundred men (maybe more). Having said that, all law enforcement are doing is getting lucky and that is not what law enforcement is about again supporting the claims of due process entrapment. I would not be surprised if they actually try to catch the actual predators, come up dry, and then just start setting up anyone they can. Here is the url:

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-22/news/os-internet-sex-sting-osceola-20120622_1_sting-mandatory-minimum-sentence-internet

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com July 3, 2012 10:59 AM

Law enforcement are actually creating reasonable suspicion by posing as minors looking for sex with adult men.

Deb Percival July 3, 2012 5:56 PM

Still makes me angry...and disappointed in our 'system'. These men were responding to ADULT personal ads in ADULT sections of craigslist, etc (even on dating sites)...child predators are not looking at ADULT sites for children, why would they?...they are lurking where children hang out...and as far as this teacher...that ad even sounded 'off'...the MAJORITY of these stings are from ADULT personal ads on craigslist and ads on ADULT dating site. so as far as this case with the teacher...they are just 'throwing the public a bone'...being there are SO MANY 'entrapments' going on...they probably need to do a 'real' one now and then...but that doesn't justify ruining so many families' lives by snagging 'innocent' men.

and another thing that angers me is these 'innocent' men having to consider a 'plea' to avoid possibly losing at a trial and ending up with an even longer sentence...how is that fair and just???...to be sending so many men to prison (and ending up with a record and probably being put on 'the list')...when is the 'system' going to see the HUGE flaw here??

scaredmomma July 4, 2012 8:03 AM

Well i just found out the man sentanced on june 27th got 11 months and 14days in jail.9years probation,and has to register on the sex offender list,he only got the small jail sentance because he was remorseful.how can you be remorseful when you didnt do anything wrong?now he is a registered sex offender for life!.what a great label to live with forever.my son goes to trial sept.10th,i am sure he will get at least the sentance the other guy got,with my sons disabilities he will never find work again,and he will loose his wife and kids if he goes to jail.when you are labeled sex offender you cannot live by a school,church,daycare,park,any where kids might be,try to find a place to live that isnt close to any of those things.also they arent allowed to even go to their kids schools either.my son isnt allowed to go to a resturant.my son is on house arrest with gps,since the cops took his car,my husband is the only means of transportation my son& his family have.we are financially drained.my sons disabilities make it hard enough to find work,now this,we will be supporting him& his family till we die!the legal system is totally crap.it got changed somewhere,and will never bee the same again.these men one by one will get jail time,and be labeled and have to be registered sex offenders.i see no way of preventing this.the probation part is not a big deal but all the rest is.i seriously doubt my kid will ever be the same when he gets out of jail.he sure wont have anyhting to look forward to,his kids are his life!he has an autistic daughter-she will not cope well with her dad gone.she is very attached to him.she doesnt accept change well at all.all i can say is be ready to have your loved one get at least what the other guy got,all the fighting in the world will not change it.this is what our legal system has become,you are guilty,because you cant prove yourself innocent.the cops lie,and the cops and judge and lawyers are all in it together,its all about the money!!!!!!

thats all this town cares about is the power and money.if i sound defeated,thats because i am.i have fought for my kid for the last 9 months and for this to seem to be what will become of it,yes im very angry,and whole heartedly disappointed i cannot seem to find a way out .i just cant find the little god given help i need to overcome this .all the advice in the world wont fix this awful mess,i guess i was looking for a knight in shining armor to come to the rescue,he must be busy else where.i have gotten alot of advice but am backed into a corner,and cannot find a way out of it.good luck to the others,i hope you can find a way out of this,the legal system and judge said everyone will get jail time .at least 1 year.at least,wow.they can get up to 20years.ans they also will have to register as a sex offender forever,good luck having a normal live with that on you.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com July 4, 2012 11:14 AM

You are feeling defeated after only nine months!? One man got his case dismissed but it took five years so you need to wake up and keep fighting. You have one whole month to take the case law on this blog and use it to type up a motion to dismiss. Also, just because your son was declared competent to proceed to trial does not mean he has to go to trial. There are other ways to keep it from going to trial. Don’t let everything that I have done for you go to waste by giving up. I have discovered the truth about the stings (the main part to winning anything), I have found case law that can be used, I have built a defense for EVERYONE arrested in one of these things, and you are still waiting on the ACLU.

Law enforcement CANNOT post ads advertising for sex with a minor or even insinuate that they are looking for sex because this is inducement and a violation of Fla. Stat. ch. 777.201. Law enforcement CANNOT randomly conduct stings without probable cause and reasonable suspicion that create crime because it is due process entrapment. Even though most people believe that it is not egregious government conduct to randomly conduct these stings because it is “pro active”law enforcement and they “keep the children safe”; it is egregious conduct to pose as a minor looking for sex just to prosecute a man for solicitation and it is unconstitutional to target any person because of their sex.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com July 4, 2012 11:18 AM

A different question is presented when the criminal design originates with the officials of the government, and they implant in the mind of an innocent person the disposition to commit the alleged offense and induce its commission in order that they may prosecute...

The federal courts have generally approved the statement of Circuit Judge Sanborn in the leading case of Butts v. United States, supra, as follows: 'The first duties of the officers of the law are to prevent, not to punish crime. It is not their duty to incite to and create crime for the sole purpose of prosecuting and punishing it. Here the evidence strongly tends to prove, if it does not conclusively do so, that their first and chief endeavor was to cause, to create, crime in order to punish it, and it is unconscionable, contrary to public policy, and to the established law of the land to punish a man for the commission of an offense of the like of which he had never been guilty, either in thought or in deed, and evidently never would have been guilty of if the officers of the law had not inspired, incited, persuaded, and lured him to attempt to com- [287 U.S. 435, 445] mit it.'...

In Newman v. United States, supra, the applicable principle was thus stated by Circuit Judge Woods: 'It is well settled that decoys may be used to entrap criminals, and to present opportunity to one intending or willing to commit crime. But decoys are not permissible to ensnare the innocent and lawabiding into the commission of crime. When the criminal design originates, not with the accused, but is conceived in the mind of the government officers, and the accused is by persuasion, deceitful representation, or inducement lured into the commission of a criminal act, the government is estopped by sound public policy from prosecution therefor.'...

It is manifest that these arguments rest entirely upon the letter of the statute. They take no account of the fact that its application in the circumstances under consideration is foreign to its purpose; that such an application is so shocking to the sense of justice that it has been urged that it is the duty of the court to stop the prosecution in the interest of the government itself, to protect it from the illegal conduct of its officers and to preserve the purity of its courts. Casey v. United States, supra. But can an application of the statute having such an effect- creating a situation so contrary to the purpose of the law and so inconsistent with its proper enforcement as to invoke such a challenge- fairly be deemed to be within its intendment?

Literal interpretation of statutes at the expense of the reason of the law and producing absurd consequences or flagrant injustice has frequently been condemned."

See Sorrells v. U.S., 287 U.S. 435 (1932) (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=287&invol=435 or the link on the case law page).

Now read the case law and start writing the motion to dismiss!

Deb Percival July 4, 2012 4:57 PM

I do want to thank you so much for putting all of this information together for everyone! Thank you so much!

My son-in-law's case is in Federal court (state dropped their 5 charges & federal charged him with 2)...not sure what to expect...I took him to meet with the public defender last week...they spent almost 4 hours going over everything. My son-in-law's eyes were red when he came out of the conference room...then he broke down and cried when we got to the car. I guess the public defender spoke to him about a possible 'plea'...like maybe 4yrs instead of whatever (15yrs & 20yrs...or whatever)...guess he is considering it...he would rather miss 4yrs of his new baby's life than the whole thing (my daughter is due any day)...on the chance that if he went to trial and might lose...which kind of seems the way...but I find it TERRIBLY WRONG that ANYONE has to even consider a taking plea for fear of losing at a trial...when (he)they are not actually 'guilty'...what a warped system we have become

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com July 4, 2012 12:10 PM

HAPPY 4TH EVERYONE! Remember, the constitution will not fight for itself.

36fe843a-c71b-11e1-8948-000bcdca4d7a July 5, 2012 8:33 PM

All of these cases are bogus! My friend was involved in this and didnt think for one minute that it was a minor. The ad was on an adult site, a picture of an adult was sent to him, and even the conversation seemed as though the "minor" was trying to hard to sound like the age she was portraying. Yeah, he was stupid for letting his curiosity get the best of him and playing along with the conversation and going to prove that it was someone else, and yes he was stupid for not realizing it was the cops, but even that I cant totally blame him for because he wasnt all there at the time. What the cops dont tell you in their reports is that my friend was struggling hardcore with depression that he let build up through his life, from really bad family problems to school to friends to not knowing what he wanted out of life or who he was. Right before this happened he was having to change his major because he couldnt handle the stress of being pre-med and that crushed him as it was his dream to become a doctor, he was struggling with his sexuality and had no one that he trusted to talk to about it or any of his other problems. Now because of this he has had to out himself and not only tell his friends and family, but it is being displayed in reports by his therapist, by a psych evaluator, and will be displayed in open court. And none of this was on his own terms! Can you imagine trying to figure out your sexuality, keeping it a secret for so long and struggling with wanting to tell people every day but being to afraid of their reactions and then because of something as criminal as what law enforcement did, being forced to openly admit it to not only your friends and family, but also to everyone else, people you dont even know and who are telling you that your lying like the prosecution and shunning you for it all to try to save your life from a sentence that will end it. He wont ever be able to become a doctor with this sentence, he wont be able to live anywhere without being persecuted, he will lose friends and will have a hard time finding new ones and forget about love, who wants to live a life of hell with someone. You tell me how going to an adult site and violating the terms and agreements of craigslist, replying to an ad that you expect to be an adult, even when you only really wanted to talk to the person because he wasnt in to girls,and seeing a picture confirming the person is an adult is justice? Tell me how ruining someones life even more when they already had a tough time in the first place by entraping them and ensnaring one of the best people I have ever known is justice? This guy had his issues, but let me tell you, when push came to shove he was always there for me, whether it be rides at 3 in the morining from a bar even if he was sleeping to standing up for me when I was in a bad relationship or sitting with me when I broke up with my bf or helping me out when I was short on money, the only person I could rely on was him and there are so many others who would say the same thing about him and will stand up for him and be there for him now as he was always there for all of us. Tell me how sending someone so pure and good hearted, caring only for others, pushing his problems to the back of the line so that he can be there to help you with yours, is justice? If you think law enforcement is really doing justice here than I cant wait until they bring justice to your doorstep because no one will be there to stand up for you like the masses that will stand for him!

scaredmomma July 9, 2012 12:53 PM

Well i was just told the sting here in tallahassee,that the states attorney is offering a plea of 3years prison,8years probation and sex offender registration for life.what a deal,we were unfortunate enough to get the most uncareing judge of them all hankinson.hes not compassionate-at all.he throws the book at you.he gives the max.i have no idea how to write up a letter for dismissal,im am not very good with a computer either,im doing my best here,this is all new to me,when i asked my sons public defender about filling for dismissal he laughed!what a great guy-not.
so ive got an appointment to see him next week,and will be dismissing him.my son is behind me 100%,i havent told the lawyer why i need to see him,im gonna surprise him with it,that way he cant say he wasnt notified
i know everything is here to help me on this,but truthfully i dont understand most of it.im doing my best to muddle along on this.i have a deadline now of august 20th to get it all done before its too late.i also got to make sure my son doesnt become more depressed as this goes on,he is very depressed and scared to death of prison.

scaredmomma July 9, 2012 1:27 PM

i jusdt found out the guy sentanced on june 27th got 11months 29days in jail-plus 9years probation,BUT also found a compassonate judge,he ruled with adjudication withheld.the state attorney and the cops are mad as hell now they are filing an appeal asap.the adjudication withheld ,i think mean he wont have to register as a sex offender and hasnt ben found guilty,which is a double edged sword,the states attorney is out for blood and so is alot of the public-i hope we all find ways out of this horrible mess quickly-i doubt we will hear from the aclu or others soon.nobody wants to rile the waters here in tallahassee,no lawyers will touch these cases for less than 10,000 dollars,thats impossible to get these days,we dont even own a home so we sure cant get any kind of money for a real attorney,Matt Willard was Ho Seo's lawyer.he wants that kind of money too.it is unfair that unless you got alot of cash you wont get a fair trial.i just dont know what to do now.my god when will this nightmare be over...

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com July 9, 2012 2:15 PM

Ok here is a clue to everyone: The only reason why attorneys say that defendants should not talk about cases is to keep the truth from getting out. Having said this, if anyone has black and white, hard proof that they were entrapped then it needs to get out. Let’s face it, law enforcement and the media are lying on these men just to get convictions. The only problem here is that some if not most of the public do not care that these stings are entrapment but the government should and does care believe it or not. Just because law enforcement and the state attorney doesn’t does not mean anything because they ARE NOT the government, they are only part of it. They are the part of the government that needs to be cut out because they are the cancer.

I have people that have volunteered to help put a stop to these stings and all I have to say is: What are you waiting for? I am doing everything that I can by myself and when I am helping about twenty other people along with trying to gather evidence from stings in progress, it is a bit much. I have started a non-profit organization but it needs employees. As of right now, I am the record keeper and I have a ton of stuff so if anyone has any more then please send it to me. I know the “rules” that law enforcement use to perform the stings so if anyone is interested in doing some “undercover investigating” themselves then please feel free to ask what to look for. It is extremely hard to catch a sting in progress because they are not targeting child predators but everyone knows that so we just have to keep trying. It is not good enough to warn people that a sting is in progress although it would help. The only concern with that is you might get charged with disruption of justice because they really believe that what they are doing is legal. Therefore, when warning men be very general. Please volunteer to take a position and give me as much info as possible.

Jczcoons July 10, 2012 4:45 PM

I have been following this website closely and I have to say all of the comments and stories are really an example as to how corrupt and crooked these internet stings really are. My son graduated from high school last May - May of 2011 and turned 18 the next month in June. In October, we moved to Tallahassee so he can pursue his major at FSU and one week later my son was arrested in one of these stings. Since then, he sees a therapist every week for his anxiety which has come in tremendous amounts, and also because at the time, we did not know he had been struggling with his sexual identity and who he was, and this "investigator" or "member of law enforcement" was the first person he had ever shared these feelings with. The ad that he had replied to on "Craigslist" was "I'm tired of hiding who I am." The description read, "I'm tired of living a lie." So you would think that behind that would be someone who had been struggling with their sexuality and would be in the same situation as he was...NOT. My son was lured and trapped into this, he trusted someone who he thought was in the same situation as he was and was going through the same thing. Even our public defender told us that in the emails, the investigator had initiated each segment of the conversation and lured into coming over to this supposed "house," where they pulled him over BEFORE he even got there and TOOK HIM to this house in another neighborhood. To make things more difficult, my son is adopted (not the bad part, believe me) and he became in contact with his biological family last Christmas who lives here in Tallahassee and wouldn't you know it - were all in law enforcement, and his biological "uncle" was the arresting officer and was the one who pulled him over and took him to this house...and you can bet, they have cut off all contact with him. Since last October, my son is now 19 and can only go to work, see his therapist and come home. He has yet to start college,(he was already out one semester because of being an out-of-state student) and his anxiety stays through the roof. Just the other night, he heard a helicopter flying over our house and thought it was them coming after him again...which might sound like a little much, but believe me, the mental anguish that he and our family are under has been enormous. Just think to yourself, living and struggling with your sexual identity, trusting someone who you thought was in the same situation as you were and then being "outed" to your family like this.

Jczcoons July 10, 2012 4:47 PM

(sorry, I ran out of space...this is continued with the comment above)

He wants nothing more than to move on from this nightmare and we want just that for him and believe me... I know who I raised and I did not raise a pedophile. He doesn't have access to his Facebook account but I look at it from time to time and see numerous posts on his wall of support for him, not to mention the letters we have recieved from his friends from high school and even former employers, which we have given to our public defender. His therapist is on our side 100% and even she agrees that he is NOT pedophile or predator material. She even has written a letter for the prosecutor saying that he is not what they're trying to make him out to be. As for his case, we have had multiple case managements and we are set for a trial on 8-20 but our public defender told us when we met with him last week that he believes it will be continued because they aren't finished with their investigation supposedly. I am telling you all now who ever is reading this, I KNOW WHO I RAISED! And believe me he is not a pedophile. Just think to yourself, being someone having to confront your family about your struggles with your sexual identity in a way like this, just because you trusted someone and were lured in this crooked investigation and made out to be someone you're entirely not. And, on top of that, his biological family - has cut off all contact with him! What a way to lose a relationship that you had been waiting for your entire life in a way like this. I am ready to fight and my son is ready to fight, and I am more than willing to get into contact with anyone who would like to form a united front, per say - to show that this was a complete trap and that they can not be ruining people's lives like this. I noticed above the mention of contacting the ACLU - and I will be more than willing to assist in any possible way I can in forming this united front, showing that we are going to FIGHT! and we are NOT GOING TO GIVE UP! Like I said before, I know who I raised and he is not pedophile material. I loved him then, and I love him now through it all, he is MY son and HELL HATH NO FURY WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING MY SON! My email address is ccoons229@bellsouth.net - and to the creator of this website, I know we exchanged emails once already, but let me know of any specific information you might need on your side and I will get it to you as soon as possible, and I am willing to do anything for you and anyone else. Again, to all of you in this same situation, we can NOT give up! WE CAN DO THIS!

Sincerely,
Carrie Coons

scaredmomma July 11, 2012 7:49 AM

We all know who we raised,i know my son isnt a pedofile either,he doesnt make friends easily,and was ony looking for someone to talk to.we been in tallahassee 10 years and he has no friends,he cannot read or write hardly at all and has learning disabilities.he was working as a dishwasher at the time of his arrest,it took us 5years to get him that job,now he has no car,no job,and if he gets prison time,his wife will not stay.he will loose his kids too.he was enticed to meet a woman,not a kid,i saw the picture,she was clearly 25-30years old.he didnt have any condoms or porn of any kind,trust me the cops looks to no avail.they have his smart phone,which was his conection to the world.his public defender thinks if he can just do the basics and send his clients quietly to prison without making waves hes doing his job-well thats crap.we tried to hire a real lawyer,but dont have the 10,000 plus they are asking for.so im determined to fight for my kid with alot of help from my few friends i have found.my family is divided on this,my husband and i are in it together,my other sons dont agree,thats their problem,if it was them they would expect our help also.i cant worry about anyone elses feelings on this,my son needs all my resouces to fight this,he would be happy to be included in the united front,but remeber they are on gps&house arrest ,so they will need permisson to go to a united front meeting.if they get permisson that is.my son is only allowed to go to gps every tuesday,thats it.he isnt even allowed out his front door for fresh air.and i am sure these men have a very high level of anxiety,stress and fear,i know my son sure does,he sleeps maybe 3hours a nite,if hes lucky.he is scared to death hes going to prison,the saddest part is he dont understand what it is he did to deserve this treatment,i didnt know it was against the law to chat on an adult web sight.something has to be done to stop the tallahassee police and the others from setting these traps,its a sad day when they resort to these tactics because they dont want to bother to go where the kids hang out and catch the preditors that are after them,so they resort to this crap.shame on all of them.catching innocent men to maske themselves look good.thats crap!and the lady that posted before me,im in it to the bitter end,im not giving up either.my sons court date is close to yours,we got the worst judge we could-hankinson.he is very unforgiving,they wont get any compassion from that judge.we have been threw dozens of case management dates,it is just a time waster.nothing gets done at those.i feel very bad for your son Mrs.Coons.he didnt deserve that ,none of these guys did,it has ruined countless lives,it will scar them and the families forever.no matter what the turn out is.if you get your sons puyblic defender to do more for your son then he has to,good luck,ours wont,we have to do it ourselves,the public defenders will not make waves,they are call together in that legal system,you will see,it took us a while but we are seeing it.we have been delayed all year long,there are still 20 men waiting for trial.from this same sting.thats 20 out of 34.so in 9months only 14 have gone to trial.sounds like the wheels of justice are turning faster than normal here,i hope we all get this thrown out or dismissed.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com July 12, 2012 1:28 AM

I was recently contacted by a woman that could not post for some reason so I will post her comment for her. To summarize what I THINK to be the case:

1. This was a federal sting.
2. The feds tampered with evidence to further incriminate her fiancé.
3. The feds did not consider the fact that the adult environment induced her fiancé even if they didn’t entice him. However, they ignore the fact that placing the ad in an adult publication IS INDUCEMENT.
4. He is considered guilty until proven innocent because he has to wear a GPS tracker just like a lot of other men.

It looks like I may need to find some more federal case law to prove the stings are illegal.

Here is her comment:

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com July 12, 2012 1:29 AM

I have been reading this blog for a little while now and finally have been able to sit down and write in as well. My fiance was also caught in one of these stings... to our knowledge there was no name for the sting though. He was caught in Dalton GA. We moved here to GA a few years ago.. I transferred with my company, I have a daughter and we were pregnant at the time with our son as well whom is 2. We have NO family here and a couple of friends but no one whom we can depend upon no matter what... On Sept.26, 2011 I got a phone call from the police department in a town I had no clue where it was, he was driving my vehicle and it was impounded and he was arrested however was not charged. Once he told me why he was arrested I instinctivly knew to go to the email and it was Craigslist ad's he was replying to, I pulled everything back and he had replied to several however NONE were to children, even the one that he got caught on was not for a child.... as I was reading these emails over the course of a couple of days the headings of the emails changed.. the feds removed the age that was on the ad and also marked each and every email.. prior to getting what had happened I sent an email out stating that I hope they are happy and our family has been ruined. An officer called me back and proceeded to tell me he was a danger to our children etc and that they don't do anything to entice these men no get them to talk about sexual acts.. that is where I lost it! I stated that they didn't have to say anything because the ad is in an ADULT area of Craigslist... EVERYONE knows what it is there for and what it is all about. He agreed with me and was released on a $25000 bond instead of a $50000 bond... coincidence? possibly. His parents paid the bond and he went with them.. long story... keep in mind here that my life had been ripped right out of my heart, however I am pushing that back as long as I can because what he is having to deal with is more than ridiculous. Around christmas time he returns home and in feb. we get a call from his mother and she says that the feds called her and told her to have him meet them at a mcdonalds

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com July 12, 2012 1:29 AM

in Rome Ga, which is 2 hours away, because he has been federaly indicted!! Are you kidding me! at a mcdonalds!! We got a public defender out of Atlanta who is passionate and has done everything we have asked and then some, however he also has someone like me that doesn't stop. He was offered a plea bargain of 10 years.. 2.5 in a mental institution and the rest in low security, however he would have to register.. he declined... after reading this blog all the way thru the first time I forwarded it to his attorney and he was able to start seeing how we say it is entrapment and has changed the defense to such. He was given bond on the federal level however has a pre trial officer and wears a global bracelet, even though there were no victim with the exception of myself he is unable to live at home and is looking for a job so we are going under quickly due to the court not giving a crap what me and the children are going thru.. just that they keep him away from us. he has been forced to stay at an extended stay hotel with many undesirables staying there instead of our wonderful house with our children. It isn't that he didn't do anything wrong however he mentally was in a different place... he since has been diagnosed with bi-polar dissorder and it has gone untreated all this time, he is in his late 30s and now his life stands to be ruined. I have faught the good fight, I have searched and searched and done alll the work. I myself suffer deppression, anxiety and have been diagnosed with PTSD over this and the courts still don't give a shit. I was told that they are trying to protect the children, however when you run my address in the newspaper 4 times and he isn't even there they did more harm than he ever could have. He has to keep logs of everywhere he goes and then I have to send them in... I HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING because that is the way it has been set up by the courts by restricting him from everything. The evidence shows them pretty much making him sign over his miranda rights. He was never speaking to a child.. the whole time he was talking to a man stating he had stepdaughters... my fiance didn't believe him however he still traveled there and then as soon as he pulled into the parking lot he snapped into reality and went to leave, he was swarmed by the police and ordered out of the car and when he didn't get out immediately they tazed him. The police report is a lie however they state there is no tape however there were patrol cars there... hmmmmmm because to my knowledge the tapes are ALWAYS running. the whole thing has ruined all of our lives. He will forever have a sign over his head even if found innocent. I will forever have a sign over my head for forgiving him his sins and letting God be the Judge of it, our children will also have signs and possibly stand to be made fun of and I refuse to let that happen. I even tried to reach out to the media, sending in letters to the Dr. Phil show, the local radio station and a few others, not ONE person responded! This will never get out and fixed if people don't listen. It is only the southern states that participate in these "stings" anymore because all the other states have voted otherwise. They say they have alot of evidence however no one called nor showed up to my house to even look for evidence. He used his cell phone for this whole thing... soooo we continue to fight and cry and scream....
I read earlier about people wanting to file a class action law suit.. where are you at with this because we certainly want in and are willing to speak out and let people into our lives to see the horror it has created all around.

raymond Justice July 21, 2012 5:07 AM

I was hunting for an Active Sting using Craigslist and I found one. There is a ad in the Lake City Casual Encounters and the Title is "Curios!!!! ;) -w4m"".
I replied to this ad and they responded using email address 13ac4u@gmail.com with "Hi!!!! I am Ashleigh and 13 yo! What is ur name? How old r u? Whatcha doin????? ;)

I responded accordingly by telling them this is an illegal web sting

raymond Justice July 21, 2012 5:31 AM

everyone who is disgusted with these stings, should email them and give them hell

Talkn Stang August 1, 2012 3:34 PM

good job on finding that operation, just be careful if you are going to play with fire, lol. You dont want to become a statistic!

raymond Justice August 1, 2012 9:23 PM

Found an article relating to this sting. The article says they saved 6 kids. How is that possible, since the ads were in the adult section of craigslist, and there were no kids involved. The link is below
http://www.ocala.com/article/20120723/ARTICLES/120729886

Talkn Stang August 2, 2012 10:02 AM

at least they only nabbed six, maybe the word is getting out. Good job once again, its just a matter of time before their bluff is called, or at least i hope

FightingLikeHell July 23, 2012 10:40 PM

My fiance's story is the one that had to be posted for me.. We are moving forward with a hearing this week and trial should be in Oct. sometime. We desperately need Federal case files for entrapment... we still have time to file for this but need strong case files to support it.. any help???

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com July 24, 2012 10:12 PM

Check out these cases:

United States v. Brand

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-2nd-circuit/1478598.html

United States v. Gamache

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-1st-circuit/1397159.html

United States v. Poehlman

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1471586.html

United States v. Brand is the best one because it basically proves that the way the stings are performed are inducement. However, he ultimately lost because of the suggestive name of the chat room and the child porn found on his computer that showed predisposition.

Talkn Stang August 1, 2012 3:22 PM

ok people, if you need some prrof about how they are conducting these operations, i am about to show you. In a recent operation in Panama City in June 2012, i believe a little bit too much information was leaked out. Judge for yourself.........

Officers posing as boys and girls between the ages of 8 and 14 visit websites and engage potential predators in chats on sex. In these cases, officers posted ads on websites with headlines like “yung fun 4 U – w4m – 26.”

These guys that were arrested were not seeking out children between 8-14. They advertised a 26yr old and pulled a bait and switch. How many Ronald Browns have these particular stings netted? The communities are being lied to and here is the proof in black and white. I just hope somebody of importance reads this. These guys face a difficult road in the future, its so unjust. If you have been accused or arrested, dont just sit around feeling sorry for yourself. Be proactive, dont let em scare you. Contact the ACLU, leave a post/comment here. This guy is legitimate and knows his stuff.

Deb Percival August 3, 2012 6:35 PM

I've sent several emails to ACLU and got NO response.

Talkn Stang August 6, 2012 12:45 PM

i forgot to include a link to that Panama City sting, here it is, read for yourself (the 4th paragraph down)

http://www.newsherald.com/articles/investigation-103541-lynn-results.html

Talkn Stang August 5, 2012 2:05 AM

heres another opportunity, check this link out and bombard them as well. Fresh off the press http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1208/03/ijvm.01.html?is_LR=1 i just fired off a message and will dontinue to do so. If they can tell their side of the story, we should be able to tell ours. If we dont hit em hard enough,they wont care. So i am trying from every angle as well. It will eventually happen. Now our grievance with the ACLU is still being looked at. Hopefully we will hear soon. I am not sure if your name is on the list or not, but we can add it. It takes 8-12 weeks so you have to be somewhat patient. The more that complain the better. I also sent an individual complaint. We are trying, believe me!

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 5, 2012 9:56 AM

I just got done reviewing the discovery of a man and there is nothing in the ad suggesting a minor and the ad was certainly sexually suggestive and implanted the idea of sex. Also, the ad was placed in the adult section of Craigslist. The chat logs indicate that he was ready to have sex and did not really care how old the "girl" was because she obviously wanted it. It was obvious that the age of the "girl" was not brought up until after the sexual conversation had already started. Therefore, this is a perfect entrapment example because the police conduct at issue induced this man to seek out sex with a minor because she posted an ad as adult woman looking for NSA sex (no strings attached sex) with some random man. His defense should not only be entrapment but also the insanity defense as a result of having a penis. Here is an example of the ad that was posted:

Hot Fresh Woman Looking for One Night Stand -w4m
Want NSA sex

Talkn Stang August 5, 2012 1:15 PM

here is the link to a CNN show from last year. If you read down, they publicly invite anyone accused to tell their side. Let see if they put their money where their mouth is. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1105/10/ijvm.01.html Spread the word....hit Jane Velez-Mitchell with as many emails/messages as possible. Ive sent several already and will continue to do so. Hit her facebook, twitter, whatever it takes. At some point we are going to get the message across. I am aggravated at the inability for the media to report the truth.

raymond Justice August 6, 2012 9:42 AM

I sent an email

Talkn Stang August 6, 2012 12:34 PM

good, if you have access to Facebook, hit her there too. I cant, but i have friends that can. I dont Tweet, but that would be a good idea as well. We will prevail at some point. I am just going to keep plugging away at it

Talkn Stang August 6, 2012 12:39 PM

Also, in some of Floridas cities, there might be a local chapter of the ACLU. I know there is one here. Contact them....they are a bit easier to get through to and they can check on the status of your complaint easier. That is what i did. I know its tough to get ahold of them, but keep trying. I called

Talkn Stang August 6, 2012 12:48 PM

read the Panama City link i posted above. Also here is the number to the Jane Velez-Mitchell show. 1-877-JVM-SAYS. Leave a message, but you only have like 30 seconds. So if you have 2 minutes of information, that makes 4 phone calls, lol

Mata Hari August 7, 2012 7:56 AM

We need to network with other people in these situations. Many of their information is available, I suggest we start mailing other people and getting our voices heard together. If anyone is interested please email me, matahari847@yahoo.com. If each of us mail 10 people and they mail 10 people involved in these we can get alot more done together!!

Mata Hari August 7, 2012 9:42 AM

Sexual Entrapment Case Law

Curry v. State,. 876 So.2d 29 (Fla. 4th DCA 2004)http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?xmldoc=2004905876So2d29_1891.xml&docbase=CSLWAR2-1986-2006

Madera v. State,. 943 So.2d 960 (2006).http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?page=2&xmldoc=20061903943So2d960_11835.xml&docbase=CSLWAR2-1986-2006&SizeDisp=7

State v. Banks,. 499 So.2d 894 (Fla. 5th DCA 1986)http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?xmldoc=19861393499So2d894_11263.xml&docbase=CSLWAR2-1986-2006

Florida Case Law on Entrapment

Beattie v. State, 636 So.2d 744 (Fla. 2d DCA 1993)In Beattie the court found that the placement of an advertisement was enough for inducement. http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?xmldoc=19931380636So2d744_11177.xml&docbase=CSLWAR2-1986-2006

Farley v. State, 848 So.2d 393 (Fla. 4th DCA, 2003)http://caselaw.findlaw.com/fl-district-court-of-appeal/1182131.html

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 7, 2012 2:51 PM

NEW CASE LAW HAS BEEN POSTED ON THE “CASE LAW LINKS” PAGE thanks to “Mata Hari” so please read them.

Mata Hari August 8, 2012 12:13 PM

This page should have alot mote activity we can not sit around idly waiting we need to band together, network and get more people involved immediately!!

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 8, 2012 12:27 PM

I have been asking people on here to advertise the blog and contact men that have been recently arrested. So 1) look for the arrestees and try to contact them and 2) advertise the blog! Send me the names, case numbers, and contact information and keep track of them yourselves too. There are plenty of men getting arrested so get to work.

Mata Hari August 9, 2012 7:06 AM

Virtue Testing (Florida Case Law)

Londono http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?page=2&xmldoc=19901930565So2d1365_11704.xml&docbase=CSLWAR2-1986-2006&SizeDisp=7

Anders http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?page=8&xmldoc=19921059596So2d463_1964.xml&docbase=CSLWAR2-1986-2006&SizeDisp=7

Futch http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?page=2&xmldoc=19921746596So2d1150_11452.xml&docbase=CSLWAR2-1986-2006&SizeDisp=7

Brenda Forbes August 12, 2012 12:58 AM

my roomate was also arrested in october in the same sting. he too has memory issues as well as other issues. he has a 60 iq. the first doctor he saw throught the court said he was incompetant to stand trail and the second doctor, gregory pritchard, said he was competant and was lying. we brought all the prood of seizures, brain activity issues etc to this doctor but because my roomate has memory issues the doctor said he was trying to avoid prosecution. this is so far from the truth he did go on craigslist i did read the transcript and when the adult mentioned A 14 YEAR OLD HE TOLD HER NO IM ALL SET FOR THAT IM NOT GOING TO JAIL I DONT BE WITH ANYONE UNDER 18. THEN SHE ENTICED HIM WITH ALCHOHOL. we all need to get together and protest at the capital building, this is ludicris that they are on house arrest, what happened to innocent until proven guilty? e mail me brendaf1267@yahoo.com

Brenda Forbes August 12, 2012 1:20 AM

also has anybody noticed in the tallahassee sex sting that netted 38 sexual so called predators first they were all men. second it appears to be racial 32 were white, only 2 were black, 1 hispanic, and 3 asian /foreigners. so not only was there enticement not to mention forcing innocent men to commit a felony that otherwaise would not have been committed, they also asked every person for a photo, seems fishy that those were the numbers. hmmmm racial////

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 12, 2012 10:58 AM

Well it looks like someone else figured out that these stings violate the equal protection clause of the constitution because they only target men. There is no racial connection though, just a mere coincidence, because it is a proven fact that it is mostly middle class white males who access the internet for sexual purposes. This is another reason why these stings “work so well” because the average middle class male cannot afford good legal counsel so they have to take a plea. This is how about 95% of these cases are won by the state. On second thought, there could be a racial connection because it would not be that hard to catch say a black male in a sting. Law enforcement could merely place an ad or set up a fake profile saying that they are a woman interested in sex with only a black male. IF ANYONE IS AWARE OF A STING THAT USED THIS TYPE OF SCENARIO THEN PLEASE COMMENT ON HERE ABOUT THE SPECIFICS. That is a huge and blatant constitutional infringement of rights and the defendant could “walk all over the government” in a case such as that.

The sex offender registry is up by 75% here in the state of Florida alone because of these stings. Throughout the rest of the country it is up by 23%. That is because the Department of Justice has incentivized crime by giving rewards to the law enforcement agencies that label the most sex offenders. This is a deplorable situation because there are numerous cases that show that a financial incentive to create crime is a due process violation. This is another reason why all of the men arrested do not have criminal records and is a perfect example of due process/objective entrapment. Just because the financial arrangement has not been set up with a confidential informant is irrelevant and the fact that it is set up within the government itself makes it worse. It really makes me wonder if the federal government knows that these operations are the creation of crime or if they really think that this is a criminal enterprise that has been uncovered by Perverted Justice who are nothing more than a bunch of liars themselves looking for an easy dollar. I don’t think the Department of Justice does know because they published a guide for stings and in the section on internet stings it says that it is perfectly legal to set up fake profiles of TEENS ON TEEN SITES to catch predators trying to prey on them.

GREAT OBSERVATION BRENDA!!! Everone keep thinking outside of the box and looking at the whole picture. Together we can defeat these injustices and put the government back in check.

Mata Hari August 12, 2012 2:54 PM

What we need is to file a class action lawsuit against Florida Department of Law Enforcement http://www.floridaclassaction.com/

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 12, 2012 3:02 PM

OK! I NEED HELP! Someone sent me a case that basically says that under certain circumstances some kind of verbal persuasion is just as bad as the “arm twisting” presented in Gifford. Can someone please find it and post it for me. I have looked and looked for it.

aladdin August 13, 2012 4:13 PM

I couldn't find that case but while looking for it I did find some interesting things.

First up is an outline of entrapment written by a Florida Assistant State Attorney. This gives you an idea of how a prosecutor views entrapment case law:

http://www.locatethelaw.org/linked/entrapment.pdf

Next is a study on dispositional psychology as it relates to sting operations that says "Based on the review on disposition in psychology, the present study argues that current disposition-oriented court rulings on sting operation claims cannot be justified." Might be helpful in somebody's defense:

http://www.benthamscience.com/open/tocommj/articles/V005/18TOCOMMJ.pdf

Last is a case study on internet entrapment and how to correct juror bias. Again this might help a defense attorney:

http://www.nacdl.org/champion.aspx?id=16251

Mata Hari August 13, 2012 5:10 PM

Bruce Baron did the lawsuit in Texas against NBC and Perverted Justice and won 100 million, I have contacted him and so should anyone else so we can get a class action suit going.

Phone: (718) 934-6501
Fax: (718) 648-7781
Email Us: BaronAssociates@aol.com

Brenda Forbes August 13, 2012 11:44 PM

I. Am definitly going to contact him. Thank you. Anyone else in the leon county sting please feel free to e mail me at brendaf1267@yahoo.com It is election time let's band together and shut down these corrpt operations

Talkn Stang August 14, 2012 5:43 AM

Florida -the new Pedophile Capital of the US. What a title to have. Great job on all the information thats being posted everyone. These are all little steps, but they all will ad up to a giant leap soon. Eventually someone will take notice and all hell is gong to break loose in Florida

Talkn Stang August 14, 2012 6:15 AM

While its probably true that these operations are "fattening" up some of these law enforcement agencies expense accounts, little do they realize the eventual negative impact it will have on the economy, etc. Who want to bring their children to Florida for vacation when a pedophile could be lurking right around the corner? Who wants to take them to the beach when one could be hiding just over a sand dune? It is out of control. They are living in the land of make-believe, literally. Keep the faith, i am inspired by these blogs....we will make a difference!

Mata Hari August 14, 2012 12:07 PM

Neither mere solicitation nor the creation of opportunities to commit an offense comprises inducement . . . . Rather, inducement refers to government conduct that persuades a person to turn “from a righteous path to an iniquitous one.”

United States v. Gifford, 17 F.3d 462, 468 (1st Cir. 1994)

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 14, 2012 12:34 PM

PICKET LINE AT THE CAPITOL:

If anyone is interested in being a part of a picket line at the capital building in Tallahassee concerning the illegal internet stings then please contact:

Brendaf1267@yahoo.com

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 14, 2012 2:10 PM

Yes I have read United States v. Gifford, 17 F.3d 462, 468 (1st Cir. 1984), and that quote that you put on here distracts the readers from the actual controlling issue. The controlling issue here is that the men arrested in stings are already on an iniquitous path because they are looking for casual sex on the internet. That is the only predisposition that can be proven without a doubt. The way the stings are performed, there is no way to know if the intent to have sex with a minor existed before the government randomly placed a sexual ad or profile on an adult site or if it was created and implanted into the “suspects” mind because the “minor” expressed an interest in sex with a random adult man. Of course that is to say that he actually intended on having sex with a minor and the evidence has not been tampered with to make it look like he intended to. The mere sexual communication with a minor is not sufficient enough to prove predisposition and an attempt crime needs a substantial step that goes beyond mere preparation. See Jeffery L. Cashatt v. State of Florida, 873 So.2d 430 (2004). Talking about something is mere preparation and law enforcement are using the men’s first amendment rights against them by persuading them to drive to an undercover location to go through with the preparation that was implanted by the undercover officer because of the implied interest in sex of all the patrons of the adult site, the expressed interest from the undercover officer themselves, and of course the LEGAL pornography that is more than likely present on the site.

“Police conduct cannot be viewed in a vacuum but instead should… be judged by the effect it would have on a normally law-abiding person situated in the circumstances of the case at hand.” See People v. Aguirre, No. G045009 (Cal. 4th DCA, April 5, 2012) (quoting Barraza, supra, 23 Cal.3d at p. 690). If a man is looking for casual sex with an adult female and stumbles into a trap meant to persuade him to have illegal sex with a willing “minor” then it is inducement because the actions of law enforcement go beyond merely providing the opportunity to commit a crime but also implants the disposition to do so and provides the instrumentalities necessary for the commission of the “crime”because of the sexual environment and the willing “minor”. The fact is that actual child predators do not need a willing minor and will NEVER talk about sex so the minor will not get scared and report them. They gain their trust and then sexually abuse the child when they least expect it. Furthermore, this kind of behavior rarely happens on the internet and children are victimized by people they know like babysitters.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 14, 2012 2:10 PM

The same reason why it is illegal for law enforcement to manufacture cocaine just to perform a sting is the same reason why it is illegal to manufacture a“minor” interested in sex with a random adult male. Police cannot create the elements necessary for the commission of a crime because if they do then it is not merely providing the opportunity to commit a crime but creates the crime itself especially since child predators DO NOT troll adult sites looking for children to victimize and THE AVERAGE LAW-ABIDING TEENAGER DOES NOT LOOK FOR SEX WITH ADULT MEN. Now if law enforcement want to merely provide the opportunity to commit a crime to a person that is actually hunting for children to victimize then they should do it on sites that are not sexual in nature, do not have sexual discussions, and are NOT INTENDED FOR ADULTS ONLY. This way if the topic of sex is brought up and the “minor” is solicited for sex, the reasonable person could conclude that the man is actually trying to entice the child (who is not interested in sex and did not advertise for it) instead of the way the stings are now where the MEN ARE MERELY TALKING S*** and talked into “illegal activity” as a result because of the implied consent and the role playing/fantasy/pornographic environment. Finally, do not forget that they very rarely arrest someone that is actually predisposed with the appropriate criminal history or child pornography proving it and that they lie about who they are targeting in the stings because the ads advertise a legal adult or no age at all.

If you want to post case law on here then please only post case law to help PROVE objective entrapment because the government obviously does not need help in obtaining convictions because of these stings. However, the people need help in obtaining dismissals and acquittals so just stick to that because we already know how the police officer thinks and what the prosecutors will say to try to dispute the claim. What law enforcement and prosecutors CANNOT DISPUTE is the fact that they are targeting men which is unconstitutional. These stings remind me of a sting somewhere up north in which law enforcement were targeting homosexuals because somebody thought that homosexuality and pedophilia were linked so they induced the men to have sex with “minors”. These stings are just like that but on a greater scale, are inflicted on everyone that uses the internet to look for sexual encounters, and the federal government has incentivized crime by rewarding agencies for the most labeled sex offenders which is a serious due process violation that causes law enforcement to lie and color their testimony which is certainly happening.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 14, 2012 2:14 PM

“even very subtle governmental pressure, if

skillfully applied, can amount to inducement.” Poehlman, 217 F.3d at 701.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 14, 2012 2:26 PM

Here is an email that I got from someone:

how about this...i check out an ad on craigslist for a chainsaw, i go check it out, that doesnt mean i have to buy it.....who says anyone would have had sex with any of em anyway? i dont know about you, but my tallywhacker just doesnt work for any chic not at least marginally attractive! thats where your mens rea and actus reas fall into play, if you catch my drift.....when it comes to matters of sex, the mind is weak. They do not take that into consideration

END EMAIL

However, with these ads you do not know that it is a “chainsaw” but what you do know is that the “woman” is looking for sex. As far as the “marginally attractive”statement. A MAN WILL SLEEP WITH ANYTHING IF HE IS DESPERATE ENOUGH especially when alcohol is involved! THAT’S WHY THE STINGS ARE ILLEGAL!

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 14, 2012 2:29 PM

Oh yeah, here is the conclusion to that email:

oh yea, i could get there, and that chain saw might not be as advertised,

END EMAIL

THIS GUY IS RIGHT ON POINT. These stings are inducing innocent men by testing their law abiding nature and creating enough crime to "look good" during elections.

scaredmomma August 14, 2012 2:48 PM

well we saw our public defender today,the last time before our plea offer is made,and i have requested he try for the mental disability my son has.he says he will try to persuade the states attorney to see what happens,i doubt anything less than what she offers anyone else.i told the lawyer my sons iq is 70-hes labeled mmr-mildly mentally retarded,has been since he was 6.also i saw where Brenda commented about dr,pritchard,my son saw him as the second competancy test dr,also said he was decieteful and lying,after seeing him for 20 minutes.the first dr,said incompetant,third docor-the tie breaker said competant with stipulations.the last one spent 4hours with our son.id didn't seem to matter,i wish the people with disabilities act could help my son and Brendas room mate-since both have the similar issues?i just don't know what else to try.the dismissal can't be used,because we don't agree with the so called discovery the cops are saying happened,we said he wasn't looking for a kid,but they say otherwise.we are not going to sit and watch,he goes to pretrial sept 6th,and jury trial is sept.10th,yes we are financially destitute now.so if baron&assoc,cost money we have none.the legal system here got everything we had.between gps fees,bond,etc.we can't give anymore,we own no home.have nothing of value,except our family!as far as protesting i'm game to it,but these guys can't.gps won't allow it at all.i don't drive so have no way to get there.i'm not giving up,i'm just running on fumes.

Brenda Forbes August 14, 2012 3:34 PM

there has to be something we can do to help these men, i know they are not allowed out but we as friends and family members can try to contact the media and protest.

http://www.change.org/petitions/abolish-the-public-sex-offender-registry

Brenda Forbes August 14, 2012 3:57 PM

the above web address is to sign a petition to abolish the sex offender registry, everyong please sign and forward to all friends and family. these stop these illegal stings. it has to start somewhere why not with all of us

Mata Hari August 14, 2012 5:27 PM

We should start one on https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions but we need to network with all the sex offender groups and make sure they all sign the petition. Also you can sign a few times using www.mailinator.com , try it out

Mata Hari August 15, 2012 5:33 AM

Here is a thought I read somewhere, some of you may not agree but, why not expand the registry to include all ex Felons, overwhelm the system and grow the amount of people wanting to abolish the registry?

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 15, 2012 5:03 PM

PICKET LINE AT THE CAPITOL:

If anyone is interested in being a part of a picket line at the capital building in Tallahassee concerning the illegal internet stings then please contact:

Brendaf1267@yahoo.com

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 16, 2012 2:20 PM

PRESS CONFERENCE WITH THE ACLU –

The ACLU is holding a press conference about the sex offender housing restrictions being unconstitutional. I think that people representing “Florida Scandal” should be there to speak about the real problem. The real problem is that the sex offender registry is up by almost 75% because of illegal internet stings just so law enforcement can get an increase in their federal budget which is a serious due process violation. The federal government has incentivized the creation of crime and because of this we now have a 75% increase of men with housing restrictions that should not even have housing restrictions because their“crimes” were internet related.

Now is the chance to get the message out there! We are tired of law enforcement entrapping innocent men with fantastic thoughts of promiscuous teens looking for sex with adult men. We are tired of them encouraging innocent men to break the law just to make money and in the process ruining the lives of the men’s families.

The press conference will probably be Sept. 8 from 6-9pm. As far as the location; it should be somewhere near Volusia County but I am not sure. Just make plans to attend and represent “Florida Scandal” and don’t forget to dress to impress and give us a good image. I will get the address shortly.

Agu517 August 16, 2012 4:45 PM

Hey I just wanted to say... ive been following this forum for a long time and its been so hard going through this... it sucks that there are so many peeople out there suffering . I was caught in one of the stings here recenetly in florida... and i am scared out of my mind.. looking at 6 years prison the state attorney wants... i got a really good attorney .... and its been 4 months now since this all happened and he contacted me and said he is filing me a motion for entrapment.... so i got hope... ill let everyone know how it goes... he said we wont know anything for a couple of months.. ill keep reading the forum and let everyone know how it went.. wish me luck... i hope to get out of this mess and not have to go prison... ;( for... Wanting to have a drink.. i just answered a ad to have a drink and it turned all out into this and I lost everything in my life.. unreal how everything can be changed over night...

Talkn Stang August 16, 2012 7:28 PM

just want to let you know you are not alone,trust me! We were all scared too. Make sure you hassle your attorney to get the things done you need to. It shouldnt take 4 months to finalize an entrapment motion, although it is ok to drag your case on as long as possible. It is definitely important for you to stay on top of your case....by doing so, you should get a good feel of your attorney that he is doing his job to the best of his ability. There are others out there that did not fair so well even with a hired attorney because they just left it in their attorneys hands. As for myself, i had a PD, but i made him do his job by constantly getting involved, making calls, getting info, setting up meetings. etc. It really makes all the difference in the world and after his job was done, he thanked me for being involved like i was and wished all his clients were the same way. And i thought i was just being a pain in the ass, lol. The state dropped three charges, and i pled to the most unrelated offense of FSS 934.215 and reserved my right to appeal the judges decision on my entrapment motion. I even was able to get my PD to file a motion for an appellate bond, but the judge readily denied it. I got 3yrs probation. My PD still contacts me from time to time and answers any questions i have regarding my appeal, etc. Hang in there, we know what you are going through! Call your attorney tomorrow, and Monday, etc. Trust me on this one, lol! And if your motion is denied dont get discouraged, read my post below and it will explain why!

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 16, 2012 4:51 PM

Well how about sending me your name and case information to forward it to the ACLU. A motion to dismiss on entrapment should not take a couple of months so I don’t know what your attorney is talking about. If you have been following on here you should have made yourself known before now because we are trying very fervently to get something started and need all the help we can get.

Mata Hari August 16, 2012 4:59 PM

I had an adult female age 34 promise to have sex with me to try and entrap me and yet the trial court denied my motions to dismiss on subjective and objective entrapment. Hopefully your judge is competent and not a bitch with a God complex like my judge. Good luck I hope your entrapment motion to dismiss works

Talkn Stang August 16, 2012 7:03 PM

regardless whether the judge denies your entrapment motion, it is still important that you have the judges decision for purposes of appeal. If you take a plea, as i did, make sure you reserve the right to appeal the judges order on your entrapment motion. I have yet to hear of any successful entrapment motions, but in my case, the judge made several errors in his decision that will be brought up on appeal.

Mata Hari August 17, 2012 5:43 AM

My judge made no decision just denied both motions for subjective and objective entrapment, no reason given just denied

Talkn Stang August 17, 2012 3:45 PM

well if its too late to file a rehearing/clarification motion, thats ok, a well prepared appeal will take the fact that the judge didnt offer a written opinion and that can work in your favor. What stage are you at in your case? you going to trial? have you pled out? been sentenced? pending appeal?

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 16, 2012 5:15 PM

Mata Hari knows that being bribed with sex is a due process violation and, therefore, objective entrapment.

Brenda Forbes August 16, 2012 5:44 PM

I will do everything I can to attend the aclu press confrence please keep me posted. Also anarchy I forwarded you an email I sent and received from florida action committee feel free to repost on this site

Talkn Stang August 16, 2012 7:07 PM

i am waiting for this article i wrote to hopefully be published in the Pensacola News Journal. I was limited to what i could say due to their requirements, but hopefully i hit the nail on the head! Feel free to copy it and email it to whoever and whenever. Thanks

Florida is now the Pedophile Capital of the US. Recent numbers show that there has been a 74% increase in the number of sex offenders as to only 23% for the rest of the nation over the past 5 years. Why is that? Is this a title that Floridians should be proud of? And how come this hasnt raised any eyebrows? The problem is that Florida is creating sex offenders not catching them by performing random stings into the general population every month and we are the only state doing such. Florida should not be in the business of testing the will of law-abiding citizens with elaborate (if improbable) fantasies involving any minor. See People v. Aguirre, No. G045009 (Cal. 4th DCA, April 5, 2012, and Lusby v. State, 507 So.2d 611 (1987). Although there are pedophiles out there, we are being led to believe that there is a much larger problem than there really is. how come we are the only state that has such a problem? This is an epidemic that has spiraled out of control. Why are counties that are netting the most arrests receiving awards as if it were some kind of game? The true sex predators, such as the Ronald Browns, are not lurking in the areas they say they are catching them. Congratulations Floridians on your new title!

Talkn Stang August 16, 2012 7:33 PM

i have a few important posts just above my last 2. I think i put some good info out in them.

Talkn Stang August 19, 2012 7:48 AM

keep the BLOG alive.....great job people.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 19, 2012 9:22 PM

Florida Scandal is going to become an actual corporation and will take donations via the “Donate” button above to help create this legal entity.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 19, 2012 9:36 PM

Money donated will also be used for ads to advertise the blog.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 21, 2012 12:00 PM

Everyone will love this article:

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/08/21/military-vet-detained-for-psych-evaluation-over-anti-government-facebook-posts/

scaredmomma August 22, 2012 4:23 PM

I thought this might interest some here,my son is one of the "tally op"sex sting arrestees,we went to court today,just for case management,our sons public defender asked the states attorney for a copy of the picture of the girl that was sent to himand they said in the open court,there was no picture sent to your client.i was so mad i said out loud thats a big fat lie!boy did i get looks.so now i know they are tampering with evidence,and obviously destroying it,they have my sons iphone,that was his internet,the picture was on there with the emails.so now we will see to what extent they have gone to try to get my kid sent to prison,also the picture i am told is the only one of an obvious adult,i seen several of the pictures sent to the guys,none was the one my kid got.so i hope this isn't what is going to be allowed to continue to happen,if these cops can destroy or delete discovery and evidence,who's to say what else is happening .watch it guys these cops are out for blood,no matter how they have to get it now.i will keep this blog up to date on our case,our next court date is september 6th for the plea hearing-which we will not be accepting.we are going to see this to the end,i just hope it is fair and just,not full of deceit and lies.i hope the google account has all the discovery intact,it was subpeonaed by the cops.we shall see.

FightingLikeHell August 28, 2012 8:20 AM

They kept my fiances phone also however I pulled the email from my computer... u just need his sign on information to retrieve it. They are tampering with evidence... the email thread I pulled was changed from the first time I looked at it till now but I didn't print them right away so I have no proof :(

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 28, 2012 9:57 AM

This kind of activity is exactly why the Supreme Court said that confidential informants should not be paid to investigate people. The law enforcement agencies want that extra money from the federal government so bad that they do not want anyone getting set free.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 22, 2012 7:11 PM

If they are denying that a picture was sent then that is good news especially if you have proof of it. Therefore, use that in the motion to dismiss that you need to file.

I regret to inform everyone that the ACLU has denied the request for counsel in a civil suit. Do not worry because I still have some cards up my sleeve and no I will not write them on here. Here is a copy of the email that I got (the one that they send everybody):

We have reviewed your complaint and regret to inform you that the ACLU of Florida declines to offer you legal assistance. Due to our limited resources, we cannot take all civil liberties cases brought to our attention, and we must concentrate our resources where they are most needed.

In declining to represent you, the ACLU is not passing judgment regarding the legal merits of your case. You may wish to consult further with a private attorney. You may contact the Florida Bar Lawyer Referral Service at 1-800-342-8011 for an attorney in your area.

Thank you for writing to the ACLU of Florida. We wish you success in resolving your difficulties.

Sincerely,

Intake Department

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 22, 2012 9:21 PM

Please remember that this blog is on Facebook now and to spread the word around.

Brenda Forbes August 24, 2012 4:57 PM

Well we just hired a former prosecutor for an attorney yesterday hopefully things will start looking up for my roomate.the attorney was surprised that there was no conversation at all with a minor, no pictures of a minor, and he had stated he didn't want sex with a minor. Here's hoping

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.comAugust 24, 2012 8:48 PM

Somebody please contact that attorney that represented the Texas family on the wrongful death suit.

Brenda, there is always hope but still don't trust him. He is trying to sell a product and that product is controlled by a lot of crooked politicians so he is going to tell you what you want to hear right now. I have read other chats where the guys said they did not want to have sex and the cases were not dismissed and they were still convicted because of professional crooks known as attorneys and a crime syndicate known as the judicial system.

You need to stay on his back even if he says he understands the defense. When he says he understands you need to tell him again and tell him in as many ways as possible. When he says it's going to take a week to file a motion to dismiss then it needs to take 3 days to get a copy.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 24, 2012 8:49 PM

TO ALL THOSE HITS RECEIVED IN THE PAST COUPLE OF DAYS: Don't just read this and move along. Nobody is lying here so please get involved.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 24, 2012 8:50 PM

I called the FAC the other day about the press conference and they did not call me back. Probably because they still do not know.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 24, 2012 10:24 PM

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-12-22/news/ct-met-defendant-suicide-20111222_1_plainfield-man-plainfield-home-police-sting

Talkn Stang August 26, 2012 4:13 PM

Ive emailed Bruce Baron the other day....also, Florida state sen. Clay Ford

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 26, 2012 5:34 PM

Registration X has commented about this blog and talked about it on the radio show. Here are the links:

http://www.registrationx.net/Blog/?p=637

http://www.registrationx.net/registrationxframeset.html?../Resources/registrationxresources.html

http://www.registrationx.net/registrationxframeset.html?../rexradio/registrationxradiowithdonavonlace.html

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 27, 2012 6:00 PM

I just realised the problem with the government. The problem is checks and balances. Sure the government as a whole has checks and balances but what kind of checks and balances exist in each branch? The answer is absolutely none! Nobody has been given the power to oversee prosecutors and law enforcement agencies to make sure they uphold the constitution. Sure there is the Supreme Court but that process takes far too long, costs way too much money, and is not guaranteed to everyone! Essentially the only people that get due process are the ones with enough money or the ones who get lucky.

This has got to change!

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 27, 2012 6:09 PM

Does anybody know how to archive comments on here so all of them are not displayed?

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 27, 2012 6:18 PM

Are you with me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg-bRnWDNcM&feature=youtu.be

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 27, 2012 6:24 PM

Check out the stories at http://www.registrationx.net/ and http://www.floridaactioncommittee.org/. Thanks and great job to the people working for the cause!

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 29, 2012 8:05 PM

New case law added to the "Case Law Links" page:

Travers v. State, 739 So.2d 1262 (Fla. 2nd DCA, 1999)

The situation here is best analogized to the anonymous tip cases. All the information on which the detective acted was from the chat room participant, but there is nothing in the record to indicate that the detective's chat room participant was a reliable source of information. "When police act on the information of an informant, the reliability of that information must be established before a citizen can be stopped and frisked." J.L. v. State,727 So.2d 204, 206 (Fla.1998).

Essentially, under the circumstances of the stings there is not enough reasonable suspicion to arrest a man just because he has a chat agreeing to meet somewhere and actually shows up.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 30, 2012 9:07 AM

A little something different today. The medical marijuana industry in CA is not doing too well because the federal government will not stop harassing them even though the increase in taxes paid is about $105 million. Here is the story:

Local, State And Federal Authorities Systematically Attacking California’s Medical Marijuana Industry And Threaten To Destroy It – Many Residents Left Unemployed And With No Health Care

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 30, 2012 11:48 PM

Here is a story about real "pedophile" and it just so happens that he is a cop. He used his profession to get into contact with children and sought them out on the internet. Here is the story link:

Pedophile Coeburn Virginia Police Officer Edward Shane Kiser Arrested After Seeking Sex With A Child On Facebook

I will add "Our Tax Dollars At Work" on WordPress to the "Organization Links" since there are sometimes good articles on there.

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 30, 2012 11:58 PM

Delray Beach Florida Police Officer Dave Melville Chin Arrested, Charged With Perjury And Offical Misconduct After Lies About His Relationship With Confidential Informant

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 31, 2012 12:07 AM

Pensacola Florida Police Officer Jamon Johnson Arrested, Suspended, And Charged With Insurance Fraud

AnarchyIsBetter@hotmail.com August 31, 2012 4:21 AM

10 News Investigators find Grady Judd stretched the truth

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 DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.com September 2, 2012 2:43 AM
 Subject: Upcoming Public Educational Forum on the Management of Sex Offender Populations in Our Communities

Mosaic Unitarian Universalist Congregation of Orange City, in co-sponsorship with the Volusia / Flagler counties chapter of the ACLU, is presenting a public educational forum on the management of sex offender populations in our communities. There will be several speakers, including registered sex offenders, with a variety of positions on this critical topic. The forum will begin with a thirty-minute presentation by Dr. Suzonne Kline, a licensed clinical psychologist in Florida and a well-respected expert in the field. The event will be moderated, and, after all speakers have completed their presentations, there will be an opportunity for members of the audience to submit written questions and comments.

This public forum will be held on Saturday, September 8th, beginning at 7:00 PM. The address of the event is 1725 South Volusia Avenue in Orange City.

All are invited to attend and express your opinions on this very timely topic.


http://www.floridaactioncommittee.org/
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Florida-Action-Committee
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Florida-Scandal
https://twitter.com/DueProcessIsDue

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scaredmommaSeptember 25, 2012 2:19 PM
hey.i need to know where to find the artickle about the budget cut,30 days before this went down,anybody know where to find it,i could use any help you got with this.thanks
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Internetsting KryptoniteSeptember 25, 2012 3:44 PM
this may be it

www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLfXYGyVZ-0
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 3, 2012 9:48 AM
Out with the old, in with the new:

All old comments have been removed but have been saved on the page called "Old Comments". The formatting is a little messed up but all old comments are there for review. I never could figure out how to archive comments on here so that is better than just deleting them.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 3, 2012 10:43 AM
Here are some links from the Florida Action Committee that everyone should read:

Child porn evidence unreliable: study of Playboy

NBC2 Investigates: Sexual predators at school

A Child Protection Act That Doesn’t

Media request for personal stories from those strugging with collateral consequences

Indiana sex offender list violates due process: court

Minn. coach’s child porn case tests investigators – Boston.com

APD to Host Town Hall Meeting - Information will be provided on the upcoming sex offender gathering

Indiana sex offender list violates due process--court

Reentry Service Directories

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 3, 2012 10:53 AM
To comment about “Indiana sex offender list violates due process”:

Am I to understand that the goal is to not shut down the sex offender registry just to make it less unconstitutional? If this is the case then I am not having it! I do not care how you look at it, the sex offender registry is COMPLETELY unconstitutional and should be abolished. It DOES NOT protect kids! If someone wants to abduct and rape a child then a registry is not going to stop them and it is certainly not going to stop parents from molesting their own children. Not living within 1,000 feet of a school is also not going to stop them either! Are you serious? That’s what automobiles are for so the living restrictions ARE CERTAINLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL! The ONLY thing that the registry does is prevent people from moving on with their lives because it makes it almost impossible to get jobs and housing. With no registry and financial reward to “law enforcement” agencies for putting people on it there would not be a motivation for illegal internet stings.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 3, 2012 9:30 PM
Sorry the links don't work. I swear they worked when I put them on here. Here are the urls:

http://congress-courts-legislation.blogspot.com/2012/09/child-porn-evidence-unreliable-study-of.html

http://www.abc-7.com/story/19429939/2012/08/31/nbc2-investigates-sexual-predators-at-school#.UEJ9x1sfFOA.facebook

http://mediarow.com/oakdale-chronicles/

http://sexoffenderresearch.blogspot.com/2012/08/media-request-for-personal-stories-from.html

http://congress-courts-legislation.blogspot.com/2012/08/indiana-sex-offender-list-violates-due.html

http://www.rsoonline.org/2012/08/28/minn-coachs-child-porn-case-tests-investigators-boston-com/

http://www.cabq.gov/police/crime-prevention-safety/CrimeBlotter/crime-blotter-news/apd-to-host-town-hall-meeting/

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-rt-usa-sexcrimesindianal2e8js7q3-20120828%2c0%2c1622415%2cfull.story

http://nationalreentryresourcecenter.org/states


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raymond JusticeSeptember 4, 2012 10:28 AM
Here is another conviction for the Tallahassee sting last year. this guy was basically hosed by a biased jury.

http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/Former-FDLE-Intern-Found-Guilty-in-Undercover-Internet-Sex-Sting-168059236.html

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 5, 2012 3:44 AM
The bad part about this story is the guy was telling the truth for his defense but because he use to work with the N. FL Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force the jury thought he was lying. However, he does have grounds for an appeal because the judge denied the motion to dismiss. It says a lot about entrapment if they caught one of their own.

http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/Former-FDLE-Intern-Found-Guilty-in-Undercover-Internet-Sex-Sting-168059236.html
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 5, 2012 3:50 AM
One of the false statistics that law enforcement use as justification for the stings is the one concerning unwanted solicitation and they tell the public that is what the stings are based off of. However, as the previous sting case proves, they are not unwanted solicitations at all but law enforcement are actually the ones soliciting the men for sex. I don't know why the jury did not see something wrong with that because guys have been acquitted on that fact before. This next story debunks the argument that police use to justify the stings and proves that unwanted solicitations has actually gone down.

http://www.unh.edu/news/cj_nr/2011/dec/lw15ccrc.cfm
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 5, 2012 4:20 AM
The Craigslist ad that the undercover posted for the sting case above actually shocked me because it is blatant entrapment. The ad was as follows:

Hot Fresh Latina Lookn 4 1nighter – w4m (NE Tally)
Want exactly what it says…that’s all NSA & after we forget we met. ONLY serious responses!

There is another case that I am aware of (can't say which one because it is still pretrial) that used this ad. The undercover officer and the defendant agreed to have sex before the actual age was even known! The ad was responded to with a picture of the defendant's penis saying that he was interested in "No Strings Attached" (NSA) sex (which is typical Craigslist behaviour) and asked the undercover to confirm if "she" wanted it as the ad stated. The undercover said that "she" was wanting to have sex with him and it was not until the agreement to have sex was already made that "she" revealed "her age" midway between the very short email exchange.

Near the end of the email exchange, the undercover officer started making endearing comments to the defendant (like what a girlfriend would make to her boyfriend) and encouraging him even further by telling him to "bring it". In my opinion, this is textbook entrapment and on point with the arguments written in this blog.

1. The man responded to an adult ad that advertised for sex with an adult.
2. The undercover officer agreed that she did want to have sex as the ad stated.
3. The undercover officer did nothing to give the defendant the opportunity to back out of the agreement to have sex.
4. The undercover officer used endearing remarks to further lure the defendant.
5. The officer encouraged him further than what "she" already did appearing to be eagerly awaiting the sexual encounter.
6. The undercover changed the location when the defendant said it was too far to drive.

BAM! Case dismissed! What is wrong with the state prosecutors office! I would laugh at this kind of evidence and not even take the case. Sex is a very powerful persuasive tool even more effective than literal "arm twisting". After this man knew that he had a guaranteed sexual encounter (which is what he was looking for) the age was irrelevant! Therefore, the totality of the circumstances prove that the defendant was induced to seek out sex with this "minor" because "she" was seeking sex from him without reasonable suspicion to do so!


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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 5, 2012 4:23 AM
Oh yeah and here is a disclaimer:

This is not legal advice and I am not an attorney spokesperson. This is just my opinion and I cannot help that it is more correct than a member of the Florida Bar.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 5, 2012 5:24 AM
Julie Montanaro for WCTV out of Tallahassee is doing a story in a few minutes about the illegal internet stings.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 5, 2012 5:48 AM
The interview is being taped at 9:30am EST (of course) but I do not know when it will air.
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raymond JusticeSeptember 5, 2012 1:41 PM
I wonder what the story will be about? how they are doing them completely wrong or are they touting the "evil" people they caught using the stings
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Made mistakeSeptember 5, 2012 2:01 PM
If anyone wants to hear my story or need someone to talk to please email me at pk091479@gmail.com. I got caught up in this ridiculous sting and never even traveled to Tallahassee. They came and arrested me at my work for having an email conversation and not sending any nude pics. I lost my job, my retirement and been publicly humiliated
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raymond JusticeSeptember 5, 2012 3:52 PM
Here is another Male victim in the most recent Tallahassee sting using Craigslist. The New article even show his arrest afidavit.

http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/School-Employee-Arrested-for-Soliciting-Child-for-Sex-Online-168617136.html

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raymond JusticeSeptember 6, 2012 2:46 PM
BTW I am the person Identified as Protect the Kids Correctly on all of these blogs
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scaredmommaSeptember 5, 2012 4:41 PM
well did anybody else see how wctv did with Brenda's story,i cannot believe it was only a few minutes air time,the states attorney got more air than Brenda did,i told everyone that the news channels are all biased,now you know its true,don't expect them to help anyone,they aired the arrests for 5 days and nites,it was all over the 3news channels,especially wctv news.it was very humiliating to have our family members mug shot on the news for 5 whole days,too bad the true story didnt merit at least 10minutes air time.lesson learned ,can't trust the news reporters either.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 5, 2012 6:06 PM
Here is the guy that started the illegal stings in Florida attacking free speech again:

http://randazza.wordpress.com/2011/06/16/grady-judd-at-it-again-in-americas-wang/
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 5, 2012 6:37 PM
Why is Julie Montanaro covering both sides of the story? Why did she post that probable cause affidavit (PCA)? Also, the PCA did not mention that the ad was posted on the adult section of Craigslist. If she wanted to post something then why didn't she post the emails? I have quite a bit of stuff that people would love to see. The PCAs are done in a way that puts the defendant in the worst light. I don't care what he said because we all know why he said it; he was looking for sex. I want to know what the undercover officer said. Even though the ad was not sexual, it was placed in a sexual section.

http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/School-Employee-Arrested-for-Soliciting-Child-for-Sex-Online-168617136.html
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 5, 2012 6:39 PM
The conversation had to have been encouraged by the undercover officer. This is why people will not believe the truth until someone shows it to them. The guys that are having their cases dropped or acquitted need to step up and show some support. Don't run away with your tails tucked between your legs.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 5, 2012 8:39 PM
I just posted a comment at

http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/School-Employee-Arrested-for-Soliciting-Child-for-Sex-Online-168617136.html

Ok, there are a lot of biased opinions "flying around" on here so let me step in and referee. First I would like to say that everyone needs to stop cussing. I read something that someone wrote about having “class” and that’s right we do have class so act accordingly. Sure it is freedom of speech but this is not a gentleman’s club (even though after reading the Probable Cause Affidavit, or PCA, someone might think it is). There is no need to be calling each other names and showing your ignorance because stories like these are proving us all ignorant as it is. The truth is (whether anyone wants to believe it or not) “Protect the Kids Correctly” and “innocenttilprovenguilty83” are absolutely right.

Let’s look at the overall picture and stop looking at a doctored PCA that is cut and pasted to make the defendant look guilty or worse than they already do. All of those PCA’s are printed up even before an arrest and the key points are copied in. Having said that, there is a lie in the PCA where it says the ad was placed on an “e-commerce web site” and all the PCA’s state this. This is to make you think that this guy is a pervert and maybe he is because all of the people that use the adult section of Craigslist probably are but being a pervert is not illegal. All of the evidence against this guy is nothing but circumstantial as a result of being on an adult site used for finding discrete sexual encounters. The men arrested are not writing sexual things because they are thinking about having sex with a teenager; they are writing them because they have been looking at pornography and other ads stating something like “I want NSA sex”. I want to see what the undercover wrote to encourage him. Normal children don’t post ads looking for sex and the sexual solicitations given by this man were not unwanted giving the impression of an adult.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 5, 2012 8:39 PM
This man was not preying on children and he probably was not even thinking about having sex with one. He was merely staring at a computer screen on an adult web site trying to cheat on his wife with an adult woman. However, instead he answers this ad thinking that an adult will answer him back but he gets this “minor”. He more than likely did not believe this was a minor but then starts talking about sex because that’s what people use the site for. Then the undercover officer starts encouraging him to speak about it further. Yes she would love to go down on him. Yes she would like for him to touch her. Before you know it we have a brand new “sex offender” because an undercover officer encouraged him to “commit a crime” for a reason none other than money. The federal government is rewarding law enforcement agencies for every sex offender they label. The government is paying for the creation of crime and virtue testing which are both illegal and unconstitutional.

There have been quite a few teachers arrested in internet stings and none have ever been guilty of molesting a child and have never even touched a child. Yet, law enforcement always say the same thing: “Child predators come from all walks of life”. They always ask people to come forward against these teachers but nobody ever does and the citizens of this country are “eating it up” and convicting innocent men that were encouraged by a professional interrogator. Law enforcement would like us to believe that they are investigating people that use the internet to prey on children. However, the truth is they are just testing the will of law abiding citizens with ridiculous sexual fantasies in an already ridiculously sexual environment and this is illegal. Look at this guy! He looks like a “sexually repressed nerd” that is tired of sleeping with his wife but being a danger to children, he is not. He can come over and babysit my kids. Now here is the real test because that is how child molesters use the internet to find their victims; through babysitting jobs. Furthermore, I can guarantee you that my daughter will not be trying to have sex with him.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 5, 2012 8:40 PM
Statistics prove that children are in the most danger from their own family members, not men on the internet looking for sexual encounters. So how many of you on here are molesting your own kids and covering it up by posting ridiculous comments like “castrate him”? Statistics also prove that 80% of all men are attracted to young teenage girls whether they know it or not. Therefore, it’s not hard for an undercover officer to persuade a man to come over to “her house” if “she” is encouraging him and telling him he is “sexy”. Having said this, it is not against the law to plan anything or talk about anything so the police are using these men’s constitutional rights against them to encourage them to “commit a crime” when they are not involved in criminal activity in the first place. These men are being arrested even though a crime has not even been committed. These men are being convicted on “what if” and “I told you so”.

The fact is the media only pick the “best stories” to write an article about and keep the real evidence of entrapment hidden. The bribery, the picture of the adult woman sent to the defendant, the fact that some of the men changed their mind but were arrested anyway is all “swept under the carpet. “FakeGerry” is exactly right when he states that if a minor were pretending to be an adult and the man got there he would have the chance to leave and not suffer repercussions. However, this is exactly what is going on. Law enforcement are posing as adults looking for sex and setting the men up to make them look like they were trying to have sex with a minor even though they had never done it in their life. The men are never given a chance to change their minds and when they actually do they are set up to make it look like they didn’t. They are bribed with money; given offers of legal sex in exchange for illegal activity which cannot be proven; arrested at their houses or places of employment never having any intentions of going; induced by answering ads that advertise sex with a woman and then (after the agreement to have sex has already been made) the age is switched just to say they were trying to have sex with a child.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 5, 2012 8:40 PM
It is not illegal to talk about sex with a minor on the internet especially if the “minor” is advertising it and especially if the “minor” is hiding their age only to be revealed later just to trap some unsuspecting, law abiding citizen who is already looking for sex. People lie about their age on the internet all the time and even pretend to be horny teenagers because they “get off on it”. The only thing that would make this activity illegal is if the man shows up and actually has sex with a “child” and the way these stings are performed, who is wise enough to predict the future? Nobody because the public is not being told the truth!

Law enforcement claim that this kind of sting operation is known as “pro active law enforcement” so that they can protect real children from being victimized by online predators but this is just the “pretty bow” that they put on the “package”. The real reason is so they can make money for every sex offender they label. Let’s face it, this is life and there must be a victim and the way the stings are being performed the only victims are the men who “think with the wrong head”. Finally, to make things fair: When a child commits an adult crime they are charged as an adult so in order for these stings to be legal the police should be put in jail too because they are creating a crime that does not exist. It is illegal for them to manufacture crack cocaine to perform a drug sting so it is illegal for them to pose as a minor looking for sex just to arrest a man for allegedly taking the bait. They cannot create the necessary elements of a crime just to arrest someone else for committing the crime they intended to create. These stings are not merely offering an opportunity to commit a crime (which is what law enforcement will argue), they are a form of criminal conspiracy.

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raymond JusticeSeptember 6, 2012 4:55 AM
Does anyone have the link to the Interview that was taped yesterday?
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 6, 2012 9:21 AM
I don't have it and from what I hear it was not worth watching. Julie Montanaro is pro sting which is why she wrote that story and posted the probable cause affidavit. She is telling us that is her proof. Well maybe we should give her some proof!
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raymond JusticeSeptember 6, 2012 2:22 PM
I found it its at the top of the page using the link below.

http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/TPD_Expected_to_Announce_Arrest_of_34_Men_in_Sting_Operation_132047658.html
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 6, 2012 9:22 AM
She does not know how to listen. That probable cause affidavit was written to only show one side of the story and it seems to be the only side she is interested in.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 6, 2012 9:23 AM
Here is the last comment (and I mean literally the last comment because people are ignorant) I posted to her article:

Florida Scandal here again. The Facebook app is freezing up for some reason so I will use our twitter. Oh yeah, and "NOMNOM" I think you shouldn't have a right to comment here because those are the only things you know how to say. Was someone sexually abused as a child and is bitter themselves? As far as it being the same people, sure it's us but I have no idea who "EffingCops" is. I have been getting a lot of new emails from the victims of these stings so maybe it's one of them. I don't know where everyone else is though. There is a small army of angry citizens, a lot of them have not even been arrested, and some are women with teenage daughters. Imagine that, some people actually know how to listen. The Florida Action Committee is acting too because we don't just sit around and talk.

To answer the people below:

Of course he admitted to doing it because he did have a sexual conversation with someone claiming to be a minor. The point is why he did it. These stings are designed to get sexual conversations out of men, which is why they are performed on adult web sites. Other men have been acquitted after a confession simply because law enforcement should not be in the business of encouraging men to engage in illegal activity just to arrest them for it. If a real minor were to do this then it is not a crime until the men have sex with them. If a real minor were to do this then of course when the men actually get there and see a minor they should say no and then leave. The element missing in these stings is an actual crime. These men should not even be charged with attempt because the crime is thought of and encouraged by law enforcement just to make a lot of arrests and this type of encouragement is entrapment. Just how do you think the men get the address to show up?

They are able to fill out the PCA’s before an arrest is made because they have a script that they go by. All they have to do is copy and paste the specific statements made by the “suspect”. How hard is that to believe when it is a fact that they place the ads? They set the scenario, place the ad on an adult publication where minors are prohibited, and do not even display an age and even in some cases intentionally show the age of an adult. Do you think these officers sit down and type out 30 to 50 original reports on these things every month? How come very few can see the truth when the lies are being pointed out and they are right under everyone’s nose? Stop focusing on what this man did and focus on the egregious government conduct that caused it. Law enforcement are lying to the public and will not even disclose the fact that they are performed on adult web sites. They intentionally lie and tell the public stings are performed on general web sites to avoid the appearance of entrapment. Well if that is the reason why they say they don’t perform them on adult sites when in fact they actually do, then the appearance of entrapment is evident.


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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 6, 2012 9:23 AM
I read an article that stated the police posed as parents shopping for sex for their children! Are you serious! Who does that and if they do isn’t it a crime? As far as God is concerned God does not make us sin, we do that on our own but this man did not do this on his own. This man was a victim of a criminal conspiracy that is being covered up just to continue to make money on these stings. All of these men that are arrested are not guilty but it’s the “same old song and dance” and everyone arrested is thrown into the same category because of the cover up. There is plenty of crime to actually detect and investigate without creating crime and setting up innocent people. If law enforcement want to investigate people who use the internet to prey on children, all they have to do is a Google search! They should not be placing anonymous ads on adult web sites where men are already prepared to have sex with an adult. These stings are inducing men to seek out sex with a minor because nobody knows the actual age by reading the ad and law enforcement are encouraging them to do it just to make an arrest by violating their first amendment rights. Finally, an internet conversation does not even give enough reasonable suspicion to investigate someone for criminal activity especially when the conversation is a result of being in a sexual environment.

I know what I am talking about and I have proof. I have discovery after discovery where the PCA did not reflect what was in the internet correspondence. The police are coloring their testimony to make everyone look guilty just to get the money from the federal government. The Supreme Court has already ruled against paying confidential informants because it creates a financial incentive to create crime, which is exactly what we have here. Furthermore, sex is a very powerful persuasive tool and is more effective than literal arm twisting. These men are showing up (and some even don’t) not because they are child predators but because they are men given an offer of free sex. I have seen men arrested because they showed up to a location to have sex with an adult but because the undercover officer was begging them to have sex with “her daughter”, they were arrested anyway just because the undercover officer wanted it and not them. Yet when you see the “news” all the public hears is that the men were preying on children over the internet and trying to have sex with them. The police are the predators so they can fill their pockets and grease the politicians and the courts for protection. They are not investigating anything and a lot of times the prosecutor’s office takes the cases anyway just to bluff the defendants into taking pleas when they really don’t have a case. This is a big game and I am tired of law enforcement violating the constitutional rights of these citizens and their families. Some states have already outlawed these stings and Florida is going to be next.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 6, 2012 12:46 PM
Another comment:

He wasn't doing anything illegal! How many different ways does someone have to say something for people to get it? Talking about something is protected by the first amendment especially when the other person is encouraging you to say it or playing along to say the least. Preparing to commit a crime is also not a crime. Why should he feel compelled to run away if he was just talking trash and the other person "was eating it up"? Police have a duty too and their activity should not be viewed in a vacuum but instead should be judged by the effect it would have on a law abiding citizen situated in the circumstances of the case at hand. This kind of police activity is ILLEGAL because they are creating crime, encouraging men ALREADY LOOKING FOR SEX, and hiding "their identity" when they do it!

What in the world are people so afraid of? LAW ENFORCEMENT should not be in the business of testing the will of law abiding citizens with teenagers DESPERATE to engage in sex with random middle aged men ESPECIALLY if that goal is to MAKE MONEY. It is inevitable that these kinds of operations will insnare the innocent with fantasies which are immoral, illegal, taboo or all three. The people that are quick to dispute these facts will need the constitution one day and it will not be there. Then they will have the nerve to ask why.

Condoning this type of behaviour by law enforcement just because people don't know how to raise their kids is why the constitution is in trouble. America is headed for tyranny and oppression which is really already here and we are too blind to see it. As hard as it is to get a real response on the adult section of Craigslist, nobody cares what the other person says as long as they are getting their rocks off by talking about sex because THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE THERE FOR. Haven't you people ever pretended to be someone else on the internet? I know I have and it's pretty fun. Having said that, ruining people's lives and violating the constitution of this country just to make money should never be fun. These men are not talking to minors, they are talking to blood thirsty cops.

These men are being convicted on "what if". What if this was a real minor? What if they had sex? Who the heck cares because WHAT IF NOTHING HAPPENED! I have talked to women about sex on the internet, agreed to meet to have sex, and actually met and never had sex. If it's possible that these men really would have sex with an imaginary minor then it is also equally probable that they won't especially since they were not looking for a minor in the first place. These men probably do not even really believe they are talking to a minor, they just want to talk to someone.

I have proof of the lies and the entrapment that is occurring. What do all of you have? Weak assumptions and biased opinions that don't reflect reality and crimes that have not even happened.

As a side note, read this book:
Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do : The Absurdity of Consensual Crimes in Our Free Country
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 6, 2012 2:34 PM
Here is the link to the "interview":

http://www.wctv.tv/news/floridanews/headlines/TPD_expected_to_Announce_Arrest_of_34_Men_in_Sting_Operation_132047658.html
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raymond JusticeSeptember 6, 2012 2:50 PM
BTW on all of the blogs that are linked, I am "Protect the Kids Correctly" in all of the conversations
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 6, 2012 3:08 PM
BTW... the people that write comments to those things and argue against the idea of the stings being illegal are cops. Especially if they use language like "ready and willing".

Check out the heated comments that I made about that article! I am attacking that prosecutor!
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raymond JusticeSeptember 6, 2012 3:19 PM
I couldn't believe she used that line "It's not entrapment. All we're doing is creating an opportunity for people. It's just like an undercover officer standing on a street corner selling or offering drugs. Nobody has to buy them," prosecutor Stefanie Walters said in response.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 6, 2012 6:04 PM
Oh you really want it now! Everyone is so quick to judge that they do not even see the validity to my argument. The words that I wrote are not my own but come from an internet sting case. In fact, most of the words that I write come from case law or I would not even bother writing them. After all, why present an argument that you cannot prove? Here is the statement that was disputed by "TruthIsAnIllusion":

"LAW ENFORCEMENT should not be in the business of testing the will of law abiding citizens with teenagers DESPERATE to engage in sex "

This statement comes from the case of People v. Aguirre, No. G045009 (CA 4th DCA, April 5, 2012).

Now that I have proved my argument and statements what do you have? Oh yeah, more mindless uneducated babble.

from: http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/School-Employee-Arrested-for-Soliciting-Child-for-Sex-Online-168617136.html

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 6, 2012 6:36 PM
I finally found it! I am livid with anger! This story was supposed to get the truth out about the internet stings. Brenda's friend did not show up to have sex with a minor (just like most of the other people that get arrested) he showed up to drink with an adult that kept telling him to have sex with a minor. Who was this person, a law enforcement officer that does not know the law.

I am sick of these stories only telling half truths or blatant lies. Here is a half truth:

"It's not entrapment. All we're doing is creating an opportunity for people. It's just like an undercover officer standing on a street corner selling or offering drugs. Nobody has to buy them," prosecutor Stefanie Walters said in response.

This is a half truth because it depends on what street corner the undercover stands on and where he/she get's the drugs! Not to mention the undercover cannot offer to have sex with someone just to get them to buy the drugs! Where did she go to law school! Creating the crime itself is not merely creating the opportunity. I have said it once and I will say it again: Law enforcement cannot manufacture crack cocaine to perform a drug sting because manufacturing crack cocaine is illegal. They also cannot manufacture a minor interested in sex with random adult men on an adult site just to arrest them for it because this creates the crime. If these men want to have sex with a minor they will go looking for them. Speaking of location, police officers CANNOT randomly conduct stings and stand on any street corner. Therefore, they cannot "stand on a random street corner on the internet" where everyone is desperate for sex and tempt someone with sex just to have sex with a minor even if they are posing as the minor. This is the creation of crime and the worst kind of virtue testing which are both illegal! Sex is a powerful tool that is even worse than arm twisting. Even the most subtle advancements if skilfully applied can amount to inducement and, therefore, entrapment. Furthermore, the case of Munoz says that random places cannot be targeted to perform stings because the deceitful actions of law enforcement having no reasonable suspicion constitute inducement.

Do these prosecutors and attorneys actually read the law. NO! Everyone is in such a hurry to convict these men simply because they had an "illegal conversation" on an adult web site. An illegal WHAT!? EXCUSE ME! I thought this was America! What is an illegal conversation? Well, trying to get a minor to have sex with you. I DON'T THINK SO! Not when the minor is trying to have sex with you first! That is inducement and illegal!


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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 6, 2012 6:36 PM
Here is some more case law for you Stefanie Walters: law enforcement CANNOT use deceit to entrap ANYONE even if they are criminals. You would argue that they could but there is an exception to every "rule" especially in law. But hey, this is the judicial system so you make the rules as you go along. Sorry I forgot. Anyway, the kind of deceit that I am talking about concerning these stings is not the fact that law enforcement lie about their age. I am talking about law enforcement lurking around on a web site where everyone is suppose to be an adult. At this point during the sting, the people looking at the ads do not know that the ad was posted by a "minor". The men looking at the ads think that this is just another woman looking for sex or at least hoping it is. However, it is the "big bad police officer" doing "investigative work" when all he is doing is letting a naked 13 year old jump up and down on a park bench begging men that walk by to have sex with her. Yet the police are using the scapegoat that they don't contact these men first (which is a lie because I have seen them answer random ads from men looking for sex with an adult woman) but the MEN DO NOT EVEN KNOW A "MINOR" POSTED THE AD! How could they! This kind of deceit is ILLEGAL now wake up and go back to law school.
I wish I was an attorney and had the privilege of mopping the court room floor with your "evidence".

Now this is the kind of exposure that I wanted Julie Montanaro to tell the public. THE CASE LAW THAT PROVES THESE STINGS ARE ILLEGAL. If they are not illegal then why is evidence being tampered with? Why are men showing up to drink with an adult getting arrested for trying to have sex with a child? Why are pictures of adult women that were sent to the defendants missing from the discovery files? Why are men being bribed with money with they say they don't want to have sex? Why, why, why?
That's ok Julie! The truth will get out!

Oh yeah and as far as judging these men, here I will do it: NOT GUILTY! They are not guilty just like the one that was found not guilty even if they did show up to have sex with a minor because it is INDUCEMENT and a CRIME HAS NOT BEEN COMMITTED YET!

Everyone with Florida Scandal appreciates your support! There are a lot of families that have been affected as a result of these illegal stings. Please show your support even further and visit http://floridascandal.blogspot... to get in contact with other wrongfully accused or entrapped men.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 6, 2012 6:37 PM
Oh you really want it now! Everyone is so quick to judge that they do not even see the validity to my argument. The words that I wrote are not my own but come from an internet sting case. In fact, most of the words that I write come from case law or I would not even bother writing them. After all, why present an argument that you cannot prove? Here is the statement that was disputed by "TruthIsAnIllusion":

"LAW ENFORCEMENT should not be in the business of testing the will of law abiding citizens with teenagers DESPERATE to engage in sex "

This statement comes from the case of People v. Aguirre, No. G045009 (CA 4th DCA, April 5, 2012).

Now that I have proved my argument and statements what do you have? Oh yeah, more mindless uneducated babble.
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scaredmommaSeptember 7, 2012 2:45 PM
ok ,here is what has happened to us today,our sons public defender finally contacted us,at the end of the day,of course,he strongly urged us to accept the plea offer,it is the same as the others 42 months in DOC-prison,5years probation,and sez offender registry for lufe.what he did not say is our son will not be able to live with his kids,he can't have contact with then,that is so wrong.also he said he cannot file the motion to dismiss if we don't take the plea.so on monday we are to be in court for the plea hearing at 8;30 am,i will be at the public defenders office talking to the admin supervisor to have the public defender dismissed,then im asking for a conflict free federal cousel.it probably will not help,but i just cannot sit here and let this injustice continue,if any of you think you are not tounches by this you are sorely mistaken.our rights are being stripped from us under our own noses,we cannot see it unless it is this close to home,believe me when i say it is no longer a matter of innocent or guilty,it is who gets paid or who owes who a favor,that is our wonderful legal system.please don't let this go down like it is being done,there are some innocent men caught up in yhis,no,i am not blind ,some of the accused are probably guilty,but not even half are.the only thing these guys did wrong was go into an adult chat site,talked to an adult,and got baited and switched,that is illegal by any standards.i am not sure what will happen on monday morning,but i have put our sons freedom in the hands of the people here who are willing to help us set the records straight.those people who think these men are all bad,hasn;t been where we are,they will soon enough,i just hope it isn;t to late,and we get this corrected before it rolls completely out of control ,which is not far away from the point.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 8, 2012 5:12 AM
Here is the article that one of our people wrote that got published:

http://www.pnj.com/article/20120905/OPINION/309050038/Florida-creating-sex-offenders?nclick_check=1
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 8, 2012 6:34 AM
So the cops can read minds now? I can sit here all day long and tell somebody that I am homosexual, that I like anal sex, that I want to spread honey all over myself and lay in an ant bed because it gets me aroused, that I am a naughty little girl, that I want to be spanked, I want you to stand on my penis, cut it off and eat it, I want to eat your poop, please pee on me, screw me, lick my nipples, I am going to punch you in the face; but that does not mean I am going to do it.

These stings violate the first amendment to the constitution because the totality of the circumstances cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that these men were even worth investigating in the first place and they also violate the equal protection clause! These are not the kind of men to go rape and kill a child which is why they arrest teachers, cops, and judges in stings. They just start talking a load of trash in a sexual environment which is exatcly where they are supposed to do it and law enforcement encourage them to come over just because they were talking trash. The LEO are creating crimes because they are looking for trouble and posing as devious, manipulative, horny teenagers and not the innocent children they say they are trying to protect. If they are not doing anything wrong during the stings then why do they lie about where they are conducted?

A real attempt at this crime would take months of work and a lot of violence. Also, real child predators don't talk about sex to their victims anyway because they are not dumb and they certainly don't give their real identity either. It is not until after months of grooming that they even try to meet the victim and sometimes they don't even need to ask the minor for the address because they track it themselves! Go try talking to a real child about sex and I bet they will tell you to F OFF! They WILL NOT DO WHAT LAW ENFORCEMENT DO and encourage it!

These stings do not model the real crime and these men are being convicted by fantasy, what if, and violating their constitutinal rights!

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 8, 2012 6:53 AM
Yeah I know Marreel and it conflicts with Lusby, Casper, Travers, Banks, Cashatt, Madera, Curry, People v. Aguirre, People v. Grizzle, Newman v. US, Cruz, Sorrells v. US, US v. Palmer, Kadis v. US, Farley, Beattie, Munoz, etc.

So don't try me on case law smart aleck. It's just like looking up bible scripture, you can always find at least one verse that will support your argument but you will find many more to dispute it! Other states have outlawed these "fishing trips" so your argument is pretty weak.

The cases of Marreel and Bist are two cases that should be quashed. It takes a special person to be married to an egotistical cop so good luck with that one. Cops do not know the law but they try to act like they do. The problem with cops is they do stuff knowing that they can do it but don't stop to think if they should. They also interpret the statutes literally which should never be done according to Sorrells.

Sure this man had a sexual conversation on the internet with a "minor" but not because he was looking for it, it's because the "minor" was looking for it by going to an adult web site advertising for sex posing as an adult. This is really ironic because it was an adult!

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 8, 2012 7:27 AM
I am glad you brought up probable cause "FakeGerry" because I am fixing to shoot you down again. Of course it's easy to get probable cause for a traffic stop but you can't just follow people around and wait for them to mess up because that is just targeting someone without reasonable suspicion. Having said that, what is the reasonable suspicion to conduct a sting on an adult web site? There isn't any reasonable suspicion! The fact that the men on there are looking for sex is of no moment because this is not illegal. To me and everyone else that do not condone the stings know that police lack reasonable suspicion to conduct stings on adult sites and the evidence gathered is easy to gather because of the environment and not the actual intent. Even if the men do show up to have sex with a "child"; the reason why they did it is because the intent was created by LE and the thought was planted in their mind because "the kids" are posing as adults which is also illegal.

Furthermore, you know very well that LE cannot follow around someone simply because they are black, gay, brown, male, etc. This is exactly what they are doing in these stings. Following men around on the internet that are already engaged in immoral activity and it just so happens that this activity is what you can use against them by using methods of persuasion and deceit that violate the due process clause of the constitution. There is no reasonable suspicion to go there and you are using the environment and activity to your advantage. Law enforcement have actually started responding to random ads of men looking for sex with ADULT WOMEN so where is the reasonable suspicion there? Where is the reasonable suspicion to investigate these men if they are looking for legal sexual encounters? There isn't any! They just respond to the ad knowing that they can probably talk the men into illegal activity by posing as minors, who are posing as adults, and tempt them with consensual sex before they even know the age and expect to be talking to an adult. Then what they say is used against them just because the undercover says they are underage when there is not proof of it and no reason to believe it in the first place.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 8, 2012 7:49 AM
The case of Munoz proves that when law enforcement pose as minors who are trying to pretend to be adults and there is no reasonable suspicion or probable cause to target an individual, then that individual was induced into committing a crime.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 8, 2012 7:50 AM
They are moderating comments on those sites now!
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 11, 2012 7:31 PM
Please do not delete.

I just sent them [Amnesty International] a two page essay that they requested called "Police Abuse of Authority and Entrapment in Florida" so it will probably be an article with my essay published. The FSU chapter is the one that requested it but I also sent it to the Orlando chapter and the main office for Florida located in Atlanta, GA.

On a side note: I posted a comment about the two cases that are being used to deny motions to dismiss but the comment was deleted. The two cases are Bist v. State, 35 So.3d 936 (Fla. 5th DCA, 2010), and Marreel v. State, 841 So.2d 600 (Fla. 4th DCA, 2003). Therefore, the only way to win an entrapment argument on a motion to dismiss is to address these two cases and point out how they conflict with the numerous Florida cases shown on the "Florida Scandal" blog and have these opinions quashed. Furthermore, the objective argument presented in Bist is flawed and if the proper issues had been raised then a different result would have likely occurred.

Posted at: http://www.wctv.tv/news/floridanews/headlines/TPD_expected_to_Announce_Arrest_of_34_Men_in_Sting_Operation_132047658.html
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 11, 2012 7:40 PM
I already posted something similar so please do not delete. This is the compact version:

Two cases that are being used to deny motions to dismiss are Bist v. State, 35 So.3d 936 (Fla. 5th DCA, 2010), and Marreel v. State, 841 So.2d 600 (Fla. 4th DCA, 2003). Therefore, in my opinion the only way to win an entrapment argument on a motion to dismiss is to address these two cases and point out how they conflict with the numerous Florida cases (especially Munoz v. State, 629 So.2d 90 (Fla. 1993)) shown on the "Florida Scandal" blog and have these opinions quashed. Furthermore, the objective argument presented in Bist is flawed and if the proper issues had been raised then a different result would have likely occurred. I am not an attorney but have seen these cases pop up in denials numerous times.

Posted at: http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/School-Employee-Arrested-for-Soliciting-Child-for-Sex-Online-168617136.html
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Talkn StangSeptember 11, 2012 8:14 PM
well we were able to get my article published in the Pensacola News Journal and the Tallahassee Democrat,although they cut out some stuff. I have already caught some flack over it from my probation officer, but its well worth the risk

http://www.tallahassee.com/article/DP/20120905/OPINION/309050038/Florida-creating-sex-offenders?odyssey=mod_sectionstories
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 12, 2012 5:11 PM
In Trop v. Dulles, 356 U.S. 86, 78 S. Ct. 590, 2 L. Ed. 2d 630 (1958), the U.S. Supreme Court held that the use of denationalization (the deprivation of citizenship) as a punishment is barred by the Eighth Amendment. The Court reasoned that when someone is denationalized, "[t]here may be involved no physical mistreatment, no primitive torture. There is instead the total destruction of the individual's status in organized society.

SO WHY DO WE HAVE THE SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY AGAIN?
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Deb PercivalSeptember 13, 2012 4:13 AM
'they' are snagging guys in a 'steamy' environment where the guys are most vulnerable...it could be ANYONE'S husband, boyfriend, brother, son, friend...the guys entrapped were obviously lonely...and law enforcement predators are taking advantage of the easy 'prey'...they are NOT catching the child predators that they say they are after...for those degenerates do not browse ADULT personal ads and such. The degenerates are quietly befriending the kids where kids hang out...

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Deb PercivalSeptember 13, 2012 4:16 AM
why are these guys getting harsher sentencing than people that have killed someone or actually committed a crime?
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Made mistakeSeptember 13, 2012 5:47 AM
Here is my story.... I live in Panama City Florida and I was a Master Sergeant in the Air Force before this happened. I was part of the "Tally Op" sting in Tallahassee. I answered an ad in the Adult Personals section of Craigslist it said " Wanna Be My first - w4m - 99" I answered accordingly with a little bit of interest and without being graphic or anything. They eventually said they were 14 years old almost 15. then asked what I would do If I came to Tallahassee. I answered "whatever you like". then they came back and said "well I would like to know before you get here and I like a man that knows what he wants ahead of time". I responded back thinking it wasn't a legit person and was graphic on one email. after that they made plans for me to go up to Tallahassee and meet with them. I never showed up or went up there even though they made plans 2 times for me to come up there. With that said, I never traveled and I broke off all communications because I couldn't consciously carry on the conversation anymore, just in case it was a minor.

About 10 days after breaking off the conversation, I was ordered by my commander to go talk to the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (OSI). I followed my 1st Sergeant to the OSI office and was met by an investigator from Tallahassee PD and an FDLE investigator. They traveled 2 hours to panama city. After answering all thier questions as I was ordered to do so, I was arrested and taken to Bay county Jail. I posted bond 2 days later.

Since then I have been on the local news, treated poorly by the military. The removed me from active duty which also removes my retirement benefits , which I was eligible for in 3 years. I was forced to take a job that is outside of my expertise and lower paying. I am barely making my mortgage payment now. And I have had to pay alot for a good lawyer. At this point in time my lawyer is trying to get the single charge of" illegal use of a computer service to solicit" dropped. Unfortunately the damage to my reputation and my life is already done. I have no career left and true no friends left. The military found me guilty before I had a chance to defend myself. The rest of my community has found me guilty as well and I have not even been tried in a court of law.

I didn't travel, I didn't send any graphic images I just had an email conversation with a fictitious person

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scaredmommaSeptember 13, 2012 5:49 AM
i have a few questions,i cannot find the answeres on the internet.they are legal questions,i talked to our son,if i find what i hope i do ,we will be doing what these 2asked us too,i dare not say on this site,to much prying eyes,not directed at the other ones in this situation,im refering to other people trying to get info to use again others.i only have a short time to fix this,only a few more days,so please contact me real soon,thankyou.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 13, 2012 7:49 AM
http://www.pnj.com/comments/article/20120905/OPINION/309050038/Florida-creating-sex-offenders
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 13, 2012 11:53 AM
They are deleting my comments at the above article! Who is hiding the truth!
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raymond JusticeSeptember 13, 2012 1:36 PM
Not sure if anyone has seen this but it gives a good description why juries are biased and how the sting can be fought using entrapment.

http://www.nacdl.org/Champion.aspx?id=16251
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 13, 2012 1:55 PM
Yeah I already read that but keep up the good work!
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 14, 2012 7:01 AM
WE HAVE A SMALL VICTORY!

A downward departure was granted by a judge because he realized that the state initiated the illegal activity. Having said that; all this guy has to do is appeal his sentence on the grounds that case law proves that if the state initiates illegal activity just to arrest an un-predisposed person for it then it is entrapment!

Way to go judge!
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Made mistakeSeptember 14, 2012 9:38 AM
That is awesome. Now I hope this is applied to mine and all other cases that are questionable
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devotedgfOctober 9, 2012 3:26 PM
did any one find out the judge that did this yet?
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 14, 2012 7:22 AM
heres how they catch the real guys
http://rattlernews.tallahassee.com/article/20120913/NEWS/120913010/Man-arrested-child-pornography-charges
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 14, 2012 8:56 AM
Here is an email telling us we are doing a great job!

Hi,

I have been reading all the comments on http://www.tallahassee.com/article/DP/20120905/OPINION/309050038/Florida-creating-sex-offenders?odyssey=mod_sectionstories

We need to come up with a plan to change viewers opinion similar to: In her closing, Necheles effectively shifted jurors’ focus away from their instinctive negative reactions to the nature of the case, and onto the question of whether the police and the prosecution had acted fairly and justifiably.

For my letter writing, I ask a member in FAC to help me. She re-wrote my letter to be more effective. Maybe we can have her review what we are writing. WIth a few changes of our words we may be able to change the view of each case or each article.

Also when these articles come out, FAC members will also write comments if we ask them to help us.

With all that being said, I am so impressed that all of you are writing on these articles. One year ago, the only comments I read were Kill those Pervs. Congradulations on all your hard work!!

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Made mistakeSeptember 14, 2012 9:02 AM
Who was that Email from
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 14, 2012 9:32 AM
Can't tell you obviously. If he/she wants to post then they can post. Sorry. I just thought everyone would like to "hear" a word of praise.
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Made mistakeSeptember 14, 2012 9:36 AM
ok, I was just wondering if it was an anonymous person or if it was a legal or media entity
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 14, 2012 9:39 AM
Everyone should be trying to locate this guy that had the downward departure. If it's on record (which it should be) we can use it!
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aladdinSeptember 17, 2012 4:45 PM
I would think Bist is materially different in that the "decoy" Created a chat profile stating the age as 13 and then waited in a chat room for people to contact "her". I don't know what chat room "she" was in but if it wasn't an age restricted room then it has very little in common with a craigslist bait and switch type sting.

Now for Marreel. Ultimately I feel this decision is just way out in left field. Clearly there was repeated enticement and goading from the decoy given how long it took to get the guy to commit to a meeting. It also discounts the fact that the initial contact took place in an adult forum.

The big difference between Marreel back in 2001 (and even bist) and today is unmoderated, open to all ages chat rooms barely even exist now. In the wake of "To Catch a Predator" and all the bad press, the major providers all scrambled to make changes. AOL chat rooms-For all practical purposes gone. MSN chat switched from open unmoderated rooms to moderated rooms to pay access age restricted only to gone as of 2006. Lycos implemented safety controls. Yahoo tried age verification and eventually gave up ending all adult only rooms and user created rooms switching to a moderated model.

In addition to all of this the terms of service for all kinds of things were changed. Many sites that assumed that there was going to be a possibility of adult content or conversation changed the TOS to block minors and many instituted some form of age verification. Others completeley eliminated adult only content, some instituted safety controls so adults and minors couldn't mingle and some, as noted above, stopped offering services. All of this was done in the name of protecting children, a worthy cause but the effect it has had is actually many-fold.

1. Making changes like these to protect children *should* also protect adults. An adult entering an adult forum, with clear terms of service and/or age verification clearly aimed at blocking minors *should* have a reasonable expectation of speaking to another adult. These are areas where fantasy and suspension of disbelief are the norm rather than the exception. Areas where it is in fact reasonable to assume the person you are talking to is lying rather than telling you the truth.

2. Child pornographers and pedophiles have moved back underground to the "Deep Web" using darknet, opennet, freenet and Tor. These are especially bad as any communication is largely untrackable and there's a lot more going on than just file sharing or chatting. Things like actual human trafficing and abuse.

3. True predators have long since moved on to more fertile hunting grounds where adults can mingle with minors like Facebook to track and groom victims.

4. Law enforcement agencies made big headlines and got big funding in the early days of the "internet sting". Years later now that the major providers have all changed their services those same agencies have had to change tactics, techniques and methods to maintain the big headlines and the big funding. Instead of moving on to where child predators have, they have moved into adult only forums going far beyond simple deceit preying on the fantasy lands of law-abiding adults.

Neither Bist nor Marreel reflects the fundamental changes in how law enforcemnt currently conducts internet sting operations since these cases were prosecuted. Indeed even Perverted Justice has posted just one conviction this year in large part because even they have lines they won't cross. Law enforcement shouldn't cross them either.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 17, 2012 7:30 PM
Well you seem to be missing the point. Only part of the argument is that the stings are conducted on adult web sites but that is the smallest part. The important issue is that the stings are randomly conducted and amount to virtue testing. With this argument the age verification issue is a moot point and only supplements the main argument.
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aladdinSeptember 18, 2012 5:53 AM
No I'm not missing the point it's just that you are going to need a lot more than the stings amount to virtue testing to quash Bist and Marreel. At least part of what's needed to do that is proving those decisions are materially deficient when applied to a current craigslist style case and the way to do that I feel is in highlighting the fundamental differences in how the stings are performed. i.e. In Bist and Marreel no ads were placed and initial contact was begun by the defendants. Since that no longer happens, law enforcement now advertises clearly as an adult ( solicitation) or makes first contact (again solicitation), Bist and Marreel are materially deficient in these kinds of cases. That's what will open the door to decisions that aren't materially deficient in cases where ads are placed like Beattie and Poehlman. For there to be apparently conflicting case law there has to be some fundamental difference in how the decisions were reached. Here it's ads. No ads - Bist and Marreel apply. With ads - Beattie and Poehlman apply.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 18, 2012 8:38 AM
Whether or not there are ads used is a subtle and insignificant difference because anything on the internet can be considered an ad. Therefore, whether it be a fake ad on Craigslist or a fake profile on a website it is still "fishing" and not actual investigating. The stings can be considered equal to a walk and knock where police randomly choose a house, stand out front, peer into the windows, and wait for the homeowner to start talking and use whatever they say against them. No probable cause or reasonable suspicion to be there, they are just there hoping to make an arrest by encouraging the men to participate in the "illegal conversations".

Consequently, you're right that virtue testing by itself might not be sufficient but when you combine that with the fact that these are general forays into the population with no reasonable suspicion to target a random man; then it is more than sufficient. Law enforcement have to have reasonable suspicion to investigate someone and the act of randomly clicking on an ad or screen name does not provide the reasonable suspicion whether it be on an adult website or not. The significant point with the adult website is that the sexual conversations occur because of the environment and not because of the "minor".

In any event, law enforcement setting up an investigation on a random site is initiating contact and a general foray. Furthermore, if you read Travers an internet conversation alone does not provide enough probable cause for an arrest.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 17, 2012 8:36 PM
Oh yeah! Case law states that mere solicitation does not constitute inducement but when the crime itself is solicitation then solicitation is inducement.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 19, 2012 8:56 AM
For those men that have been arrested for soliciting the guardian of a child: If the "guardian" is someone other than the "child's parent" then the charges should be dismissed. A guardian or "ward" is disignated by the court and in these false scenarios there is no such designation. A guy was found not guilty of soliciting a gaurdian because the gaurdian was the teenagers 24 year old boyfriend but was not "her" gaurdian.

Also read this:
http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/gurardianship_rev1-07.pdf
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John JamesSeptember 19, 2012 5:10 PM
I want to thank all of you that are helping the fight and all the advice that you are giving.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 19, 2012 7:12 PM
Another genocide in Manatee County! These illegal internet stings have gotten out of control and they were already out of control! There were 43 men arrested! Forty three un-predisposed men just looking for casual sex.

http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/274141/0/Operation-Green-Shepherd-43-arrested-in-undercover-child-sex-sting-operation
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John JamesSeptember 20, 2012 6:16 AM
When is it going to stop? Enough is enough. Why can't the law enforcement do their real jobs? They are lazy.
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scaredmommaSeptember 20, 2012 7:56 AM

well we sure didnt get any justice today,we went to a hearing on 3motions i filed because our sons PD refused to,i filed them with a power-of-attorney,we were told yesterday by the PD that judge hankinson would accept them,also was told the same this this morning,when our sons case was called up,it all went wrong,the judge/PD/and states attorney had a side bar conversation.then every motion was denied,because i filed the motions ,not our son,the judge is aware our son cannot read or write past a first grade level.the judge instantly sentanced him to the original plea of 42 months in DOC/5years sex offender probation and sex offender registry for life.we was originally supposed to be sentanced tomarrow,we filed those motions on tuesday morning,where is the justice for our son?we have a PD who refused to file these motions for our son,so i had to,now he gets his rights stomped on,how is that possible in america??my god,murderes and rapists get more justice than we did!he never got to tell his wife and children goodbye.do not think for 1 minute i will let this go,they threw our sons constitutional rights out the window,the Pd said he will file a appeal,ya ok,and how long will he sit in prison until that comes up???that PD is a worthless liar!he did not do anything for our son,not file one motion for him or anything he was asked to,we did not get justice from them people,not even a small amount of it.if you dont have a good expensive lawyer,expect the book thrown at you for being poor,that is how it plays out for poor people with the law,NO lawyer in tallahassee will take our case,because we are poor.thats a fact!

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John JamesSeptember 20, 2012 1:20 PM

Thats just it, there is no justice in our state anymore. The law lies, the judge and jury don't see the real story just criminals to fill up the prisons. I don't think that is right and wish something could be done. We are not sex offenders, just an average human that got mixed up in a lie thanks to out justice system.

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John JamesSeptember 20, 2012 1:27 PM

I have a friend that got arrested in tally, he was involved in a sting in bay county. tally police picked him up will he was in tally looking for a job. he did not want to engage in anything with a child, just wanting to see who was behind it. no one believes him so now he is in the same mess everyone else is in. the attorney he hired is doing all he can and has defended others in these type of cases. just don't understand why no one will help and put an end to all the lies. the law enforcement need to get a real job instead of playing on the computer creating crimes to make a dollar.

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Talkn StangSeptember 20, 2012 7:35 PM

Aladdin is absolutely correct in regards to Marreel. In 2001 when Marreel's chats occurred, there was no age disclaimer stating you must be at least 18yrs of age, so regardless of him being in "marriedwantsaffair" chat room, he should have at least been more suspecting that he was actually chatting with a minor. With Craigslist, there is a disclaimer, you match that with a photograph that they send you of a more mature woman, and you have confusion and disbelief. People do lie about themselves on the internet, we all know that. But the tactics employed in these damn stings are nothing short of egregious. How pathetic is society that they have to use these methods to catch unsuspected men and then not tell citizens how they caught them? Law enforcement had to go way out of their way to create a suggestive ad which they knew would attract men, then arrest anyone who wants to carry on a conversation after they introduced the minor. They didnt, in no way, shape, or fashion, use any methods to properly determine who is or isnt a potential pedophile.

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Made mistakeSeptember 21, 2012 5:24 AM

Correct, as in my case the state can not prove predisposition. They need to prove that I am the type of person that preys on children over the internet. It is hard to prove when there is one lingering question that no Prosecuting Attorney can answer and that is: Why would a "child Predator" hang out on an Adult Website and wait for the off chance that a minor will stroll into it when there are other soft target areas such as facebook or other social media websites where minors are permitted?

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 21, 2012 10:47 AM

The problem with Marreel is not that there was not an age disclaimer. The problem with it is that they intentionally broadly defined predisposition. They said Marreel established his predisposition in his first chat but the fact is that it was still a general foray into the population and the title of the room was "Married wants Affair" so the room was still sexually motivated. Moreover, how many teens are going to be married and wanting an affair? None. Therefore, he still had a reasonable expectation to be conversing with adults whether there was an age disclaimer or not.

What makes Marreel flawed is that the legal analysis in that case conflicts with Lusby, Beattie, Farley, Munoz, etc. Law enforcement did not know Marreel was involved in any criminal undertaking in need of detection until he responded to the anonymous, randomly placed profile. The undercover officer merely intended to create crime which is evident in the fact that he/she kept contacting Marreel begging for a sexual relationship simply because of the first contact which cannot prove predisposition since he was not searching for a minor. Furthermore, Travers states that an internet conversation alone is not sufficient enough to establish probable cause or reasonable suspicion.

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Talkn StangSeptember 21, 2012 11:16 AM

the bottom line is that there are many fundamental errors that can be used in defense of those arrested. Its just that these damn judges dont wanna abide by the letter of the law and are making their decisions incorrectly even when there is sufficient evidence that shows entrapment. But dont worry people, help is on the way, or at least i hope!

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 21, 2012 1:20 PM

These stings are not what they seem to be. There is a reason why the people arrested do not have criminal records and it's not because they have never been caught as "Talkn Stang" has basically stated. Please visit http://floridascandal.blogspot... for more info.

Read more here: http://www.bradenton.com/2012/09/20/4207285/suspects-arrested-in-sex-sting.html#storylink=cpy

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 22, 2012 10:45 AM

I reviewed Fla. Stat. Ch. 934.03 and because the way it is written; it has pretty much the same argument as objective entrapment. However, it might be a much more compelling argument than entrapment since it will take the focus off the "guilt" of the defendant and place it on unreasonable intrusion as stated in the Florida Constitution.

Section (3)(c) states:

It is lawful under ss. 934.03-934.09 for an investigative or law enforcement officer or a person acting under the direction of an investigative or law enforcement officer to intercept a wire, oral, or electronic communication when such person is a party to the communication or one of the parties to the communication has given prior consent to such interception and the purpose of such interception is to obtain evidence of a criminal act.

This means that it is ok for a law enforcement officers to record conversations that they are a party to if they are recording a criminal act. Law enforcement will argue that they have the right to record the personal IM's, emails, phone calls, or text messages of the "suspects" in internet sting cases because they are "recording a criminal act". However, they have no reasonable suspicion to believe that the people on the adult websites are engaged in illegal activity involving minors especially if the site has an age disclaimer. Therefore, this points to unreasonable government intrusion enumerated in section 23 of the Florida Constitution instead of due process which objective entrapment requires but these arguments do overlap with due process.

Section (3)(e) states:

It is unlawful to intercept any wire, oral, or electronic communication for the purpose of committing any criminal act.

Therefore, since the only criminal act being recorded is the one that law enforcement have created then it should be illegal to record the private, electronic communication particularly if the purpose of it is to lie to the public and "doctor" probable cause affidavits. However, the Florida Supreme Court has created a standard when determining whether or not an intrusion was unreasonable. Here is a paragraph from http://www.law.fsu.edu/journals/lawreview/downloads/251/overton.pdf :

The Florida Supreme Court’s decision in Winfield v. Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering 84 set forth the standard to be used in applying section 23. In Winfield, the court stated that the right to privacy un- der section 23 is “fundamental” and, once implicated, must be evalu- ated using a compelling state interest standard.85 The importance of this case cannot be overstated. It clarifies that once an individual has established that government has intruded into a private aspect of the individual’s life, government must show that it has a compel- ling interest to justify the intrusion, and that it has employed the least intrusive means possible to accomplish its objective.

Which again leads us to the same argument concerning objective entrapment and reasonable suspicion.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 22, 2012 4:17 PM

The sex offender registry makes who safe?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/patrick-drum-killed-sex-offenders-life-sentence/story?id=17274171#.UF5GuWiypUQ

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 22, 2012 4:22 PM

WTH!?

http://oswego.patch.com/articles/killer-chris-vaughn-gone-in-50-minutes

Comment by a lawyer you will not believe in this tragic horrible case:

Lenard (Lawyer) then speculated that Kimberly Vaughn thought her children were better off dead than alive, and referenced a registered sex offender she learned was living in the family's Oswego subdivision as factoring into her decision to kill them.

"Come with me, come with me to heaven," Lenard imagined Kimberly Vaughn saying to her children. "You're going to be away from harm. You're going to be away from sex offenders. You're going to be away from pedophiles."

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John JamesSeptember 22, 2012 6:21 PM

I think someone is playing games. i hope not.

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John JamesSeptember 25, 2012 4:34 PM

I often wonder if there is real justice in our country. I know laws are made to protect us, but to break the law to arrest us is criminal. It seems as if the Law Enforcement is protecting real criminals instead of arresting them. Our wonderful state and country need to get a grip on true justice not lies and corruption. I don't know how long I can hold on with life if this is going to be our Justice. I have been told life is what you make of it, but when the protect and serve is broke then what do you do. I am lost for words the true law breakers are suppose to protect us. I never would have believed this could happen to innocent people until now. I am discussed with law makers and law enforcement for breaking there own laws and getting away with it just to cash out at the end.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 25, 2012 5:13 PM

I GOT AN ANONYMOUS TIP TODAY THAT THIS SITE IS BEING MONITORED BY PEOPLE THAT WE MIGHT NOT WANT TO MONITOR IT!!!!

PLEASE DO NOT POST ANY MORE PERSONAL INFORMATION UNLESS YOU DON'T MIND! STICK TO GENERALIZATIONS!

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 25, 2012 5:25 PM
Here is a link to a story about the budget cuts for internet stings.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLfXYGyVZ-0
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 26, 2012 8:37 PM
Hasn’t Larry Flynt already won the obscenity battle? What is this business of the government telling us to “clean up our mouths”?

http://ourtaxdollarsatwork.wordpress.com/2012/09/24/no-privacy-uk-judges-say-texting-can-be-criminally-obscene-and-subject-both-parties-to-5-years-in-prison-and-being-placed-on-uk-sex-offender-registry-so-much-for-freedom-of-speech/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Flynt
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 30, 2012 1:51 AM
People are so stupid to think that law enforcement are actually arresting child predators. A man does not simply go on the internet and find a "child" to have sex with in one day and they certainly don't do it on adult websites!

http://www.bradenton.com/2012/09/19/4205762/months-of-planning-research-led.html
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 9, 2012 4:31 AM
"It's not that you have to enter the door to commit the crime. You've already committed it by communication," said Rose, who has prosecuted and defended sexual predators. "Showing up and not walking in the door because of cold feet or suspicion is not a defense."

You need to go back to law school Rose. Sexual communication involving a minor is protected speech so long as no minor was involved or harmed in the communication. Also, criminal intent involving child solicitation has to be judged by the totality of the circumstances and requires a substantial step to be guilty. A substantial step is something that is done that shows the determination in pursuit of the criminal intent at issue. Therefore, if the record shows hesitation then that shows lack of criminal intent and therefore innocence.

You probably already knew these things though but are just lying to the public to taint the jury pool because you know that juries are not supposed to rule on matters of law such as these. I think that the judicial system knows these stings are illegal but are intentionally ignoring the obvious issues of law and letting the jury determine these men's fates which is nothing more than a violation of due process.

Read more here: http://www.bradenton.com/2012/09/19/4205762/months-of-planning-research-led.html#storylink=cpy
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 30, 2012 2:05 AM
People are so stupid to think that law enforcement are actually arresting child predators. A man does not simply go on the internet and find a "child" to have sex with in one day and they certainly don't do it on adult websites! The only research that was done was to find out just how far they could push the entrapment envelope under the Florida entrapment statute and ignored the constitution. They did not do the real research like who is actually preying on children. Don't let your guard down people by thinking law enforcement are putting bad men in prison. The real predators are actively seeking out your children while these stings still continue to arrest innocent people. This is nothing more than a distraction!
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comSeptember 30, 2012 2:08 AM
More mindless babble!

http://www.northescambia.com/2011/06/breaking-two-dozen-men-arrested-during-child-sex-sting
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John JamesSeptember 30, 2012 8:54 AM
This one hit right close to home. i don't know any of them, but seems like i have seen some of them. Your inspiration and wisdom has had a great influence on me and i thank you for all you are doing. keep up the great work.
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aladdinOctober 1, 2012 6:25 PM
So I read the following on a law firm site and now I'm really wondering just how in the hell any sex sting is justified!

"In undercover sex sting, an officer cannot solicit sex from anyone, in any way, shape or form. Officers wait for someone else to solicit sexual activity and make arrangements, which then can result in their arrest."

Quoted from http://www.floridasexcrimeattorney.com/lake-county-florida-cyber-sex-sting-attorney-baltimore-lawyer-magician-arrested-for-traveling-to-meet-a-minor-for-sex/
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 5, 2012 4:02 AM
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/pensacola-fl/T1GIST8I6FMATN9BF/p4

Why is there so much moral outrage about this sort of thing? These stings are nothing more than virtue testing and the creation of crime. What does not make sense to me is that some of these examples on here are retarded. If a bank teller is constantly tempted with taking money it is not a crime until she actually takes it. The cops should not be trying to shove the money in the bank tellers pocket especially if he/she is already tempted to do so! Who is the criminal in that scenario? Is it the bank teller who let the cop put the money in their pocket or is it the "cop" who implanted the idea and put the money in the pocket? Legally the obvious answer is that the cop is the criminal and entrapped an innocent person because the only reason why he/she was shoving the money in the pocket was just to arrest the person for not refusing to take it even though it was never the bank tellers idea.

This is the scenario with these stings. The cops want you to believe that they are advertising sex with a minor in some way but they are not. They are posing as an adult by accessing adult websites. This begs a question: How can someone be charged with soliciting a minor for sex or giving the minor obscene material if the "minor" is already looking at the obscene material and has solicited first? The answer is that men shouldn't be charged with something that they did not whole heartedly intend to do or something that was implanted in their minds by stumbling into a poorly set trap meant to encourage them to "seek out sex with a minor".

This also begs the question: What man seeks out minors to have sex with on adult websites? The answer to this question is no man does. It does not make sense. It's like taking a vegan to a steakhouse. Furthermore, we are also talking about adult websites where people talk all kinds of trash. People say all kinds of things and in my opinion if anyone believes what they read on these sites then they are ignorant. This also begs the question: How does someone know what another person believes? The obvious answer is nobody knows what anyone is thinking. Some would argue that because the undercover officer said that "she" was 14 and just because the guy talked about sex and showed up means he believed it. Well I don't think so.

The only kinds of conversations that occur on these websites are sexual. Therefore, sex is being used to convince these men to "commit felonies". How many men would turn down free oral sex? How many men would not be curious enough to at least go check it out despite what the other person said especially if they were looking for sex anyway and the other person has already solicited them? Not too many men would turn down this kind of opportunity because of the bs that goes on on these sites and that's why they arrest so many men. Which, by the way, targeting men is unconstitutional no matter what the police said that the men were trying to do because all I see is law enforcement telling them to do it just to arrest them for it.

I love anal sex. I am 14 years old and I want to BLANK you. I like to have sex with animals. I want to poop on you. I want to snort cocaine and let you punch me in the face to see if it hurts. I want you to tie me up and beat the heck out of me because it turns me on. I am so turned on right now talking about this! OMG! I don't know if I can contain myself. I am about to explode! YES! YES! YES! Beat me daddy! Beat me harder daddy! I am a bad little girl! OMG! I'm going to... I'm going to.... I'm going to use the toilet now because I am so full of it.

Visit http://floridascandal.blogspot.com for case law proving these stings are illegal. Also, visit http://www.registrationx.net/ and listen to the radio show called "Internet Sex Stings - Fact or Fiction?" and find out what really goes on with these stings. Innocent men are being set up so stop kidding yourself about how good cops are.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 5, 2012 10:38 AM
NEW FEDERAL CASE LAW ADDED TO "CASE LAW LINKS". The case law includes Supreme Court cases for this district and for the whole nation.

United States v. Still, 850 F.2d 607 (9th Cir. 1988)

United States v. Williams, 444 F.3d 1286 (11th Cir. 2006) (citing Free Speech Coalition v. Reno, 198 F.3d 1083
(9th Cir. 1999)).

Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union, 521 U.S. 844 (1997)

United States v. Reese, 92 U.S. 214, 221 (1876)


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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 5, 2012 11:27 AM
Police targeted gay men in online child solicitation sting.

https://www.washingtonblade.com/2012/02/23/d-c-police-target-gay-men-in-online-sting/
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 5, 2012 11:30 AM
Oh, yeah and a bunch got off too!
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Talkn StangOctober 5, 2012 8:50 PM
i left some stuff on WCTV's site youll like, lol tried to call, where you at? we got work to do
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 5, 2012 10:41 PM
ALL of the stings are ILLEGAL because they amount to virtue testing. It is not very hard to use sex to get men to commit crimes and is entrapment. How do we know what these men believe? I don’t believe anything that is written online, even this article that gives SOME of the truth. Visit http://floridascandal.blogspot.com for supporting case law. Also visit http://www.registrationx.net/ and listen to a radio show called “Internet Sex Sting – Fact or Fiction?” for the real story about the stings.

http://dirtysouthnews.com/2012/01/30/florida-cops-arrest-40-for-trying-to-have-sex-with-teens-but-dont-mention-several-of-those-arrested-were-teens-too/#comment-124
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 5, 2012 10:50 PM
We need to get in on this federal law suit too!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/03/halloween-law-sex-offenders-simi-valley_n_1936000.html?utm_hp_ref=crime

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/03/14202253-no-halloween-for-sex-offenders-they-challenge-california-citys-restrictions?lite
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18 months of hell!!!!!!!October 6, 2012 2:31 AM
I am at my wits end, my husband was arrested in one of these stings about 18 months ago. He placed a Craigslist ad wanting to fulfill a fantasy of a threesome (no I did not know or approve of the add) an cop from the ICAC contacted said ad as an adult female and her daughter, emails went back and forth for some time, husband inquired about the daughter's age and was ignored, after several weeks it was finally revealed she was a minor, they romanced and seduced and then spoon fed him everything they wanted/needed to make the arrest, like send an email detailing what you would like to do, buy a gift, etc. After the arrest we had several visits from the FBI and a situation with one of the arresting officers. They asked for our assistance and then used that to strong arm a plea from my husband or we would be arrested for doing what they requested. My husband has NEVER been in trouble. They searched multiple computers and there was not any child porn, chat rooms or child porn sites found on any of the computers. He is fast approaching sentencing and is looking at 10 to 15 year sentence an the lawyer told him today to keep it low keyed at the sentencing because if he makes the judge angry the judge could impose a life sentence.

They claim they do these stings to save the children, well what about all of our grandchildren that are devastated by all of this, they adore their grandpa and miss him very much.

This has been a real eye opener and I now trust NO ONE. I want to do something to get this changed but don't know where to even begin.
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aladdinOctober 6, 2012 10:55 AM
Are you saying they threatened you with criminal charges unless you broke husband-wife privilege and "cooperated" with the investigation?
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Talkn StangOctober 6, 2012 11:59 AM
omg, this story infuriates me. These cops are nothing less than criminals themselves and i will fight til the bitter end to see that justice is served. Someone needs to be held accountable for these atrocities. I am disgusted and it makes me sick to my stomach to hear this crap. All i can say is hang in there. We are trying
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Talkn StangOctober 6, 2012 12:15 PM
email dueprocessisdue like he asked.....we will figure something out. You can email the governor, the president, the -attorney genereal, it doesnt matter because it takes the voice of many and not the voice of 1 to make a difference. The more people who actually find out the truth, the better. As far as your lawyer saying keep it on the "down-low", well i am not going to comment on that one except for how much do you trust your attorney?
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 6, 2012 2:46 AM
What did they ask you two to do?
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18 months of hell!!!!!!!October 6, 2012 4:44 AM
I would rather not post here. I can send it in an email, there is much, much more to the whole thing but until sentencing is behind us I have to monitor what I say publicly. I am just so lost as what to do, I have wrote our state governor (who forwarded my concerns to homeland security) our state congressmen, state attorney general to no avail.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 6, 2012 11:34 AM
So please send an email to this address.
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Talkn StangOctober 6, 2012 12:17 PM
email dueprocessisdue like he asked.....we will figure something out. You can email the governor, the president, the -attorney genereal, it doesnt matter because it takes the voice of many and not the voice of 1 to make a difference. The more people who actually find out the truth, the better. As far as your lawyer saying keep it on the "down-low", well i am not going to comment on that one except for how much do you trust your attorney?
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 6, 2012 2:18 PM
THIS IS PROBABLY A REAL PEDOPHILE AT WORK!!!!! GOD I HOPE NOT!!!!!

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/06/14261182-amber-alert-for-missing-colo-girl10-dozens-search-neighborhood?lite
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 6, 2012 2:25 PM
THIS IS PROBABLY A REAL PEDOPHILE AT WORK!!!!! GOD I HOPE NOT!!!!!

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/06/14...

YOU PEOPLE NEED TO WAKE THE HECK UP!!!! While these three ring circuses continue, real flesh and blood children are being abducted!!!! Not imaginary ones that are wanting someone to screw their brains out!!!!

IDIOTS!!!!!! Every last one of you!!!!

Virtue testing people! Virtue testing!!!!
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 6, 2012 2:27 PM
I posted the above comment somewhere else trying to argue with a bunch of idiots saying the stings are legal and these men get what they deserve. Therefore, the present company is excluded! Unless of course you are one of the law enforcement officers monitoring this blog. Then I think you know what I would tell you to do.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 6, 2012 2:31 PM
I will tell everyone what is going to happen. Law enforcement are going to be doing a sting one day and a child is going to get victimized right under their noses while they are shacked up in a house, playing on the internet, and jerking each other off to their own scenarios.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 6, 2012 2:32 PM
Yeah I said it! Now what!?
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18 months of hell!!!!!!!October 6, 2012 2:47 PM
Sorry I just woke up, I work nights. Just sent the email. And @Aladdin it had nothing to do with husband-wife privileges.
@Talkn Stang Personally I do not trust the lawyer and have expressed that to my husband, he is court appointed as we do not have the funds to hire one. I think he has worked with the prosecution throughout this nightmare. Too many things just don't add up.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 7, 2012 6:01 AM
OK! "LISTEN UP" EVERYONE! If anyone is unsatisfied with court appointed counsel through the public defender's office then dismiss him as counsel and have the court appoint a private attorney. The state will have to pay for the private attorney because of your sixth amendment right to effective counsel. DO NOT let the attorney hamstring you into taking a plea simply because he is working for the prosecutor and not you.

This kind of defense requires nothing less than STELLAR representation and the ability to hire expert witnesses if necessary. If anyone does not know what kind of expert witnesses would need to be retained, then a linguistic expert is a good example. It has been proven that people know subconsciously when they are really talking to a minor. Furthermore, someone specializing in web development concerning dynamic, adult content would be good as well as a sexual psychologist specialising in child sex abuse. The state will also have to pay for expert witnesses which is a good thing because they are not cheap. The cheapest price is about $500 for a written report and about $1500 for sworn testimony in court.

The evidence against everyone only looks bad because of the way it was gathered and experts would be good to point out that the evidence is nothing more than virtue testing and a result of the environment.
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18 months of hell!!!!!!!October 7, 2012 6:44 AM
Does that apply to federal cases also?

We found that that picked and choose from different emails what parts they wanted to use and compiled them to represent what happened, not at all the sequence of events. Also the dates don't co-inside with what actually happened. Once they threatened to charge my son and me and add new charges to his, my husband wouldn't fight it any more and took the plea.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 7, 2012 7:31 AM
That includes federal as well except of course the federal government pays for counsel. However, it is difficult to get the court to grant the appointment of private counsel because it has to be proven that adequate counsel cannot be appointed from elsewhere. I hope the 30 days has not passed so he can withdraw the plea. I take it he is in prison?
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 7, 2012 7:37 AM
Spank me daddy! Yes! I'm a bad girl!
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18 months of hell!!!!!!!October 7, 2012 8:05 AM
It has been over 30 days and yes he is in prison.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 7, 2012 9:03 AM
This is not legal advice and we are not attorneys or attorney spokes people so don't be getting any ideas.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 7, 2012 9:05 AM
Yeah! That's a bad little girl! Daddy likes that! Yummy!

Cops are such idiots!!!!! This kind of talk is a crime, LMAO!
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 7, 2012 9:40 AM
ATTENTION!!! Everyone that has talked to us from outside of Florida please send an email for "role call".
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aladdinOctober 7, 2012 11:42 AM
Email sent
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 7, 2012 10:04 AM
THAT'S RIGHT PEOPLE!!!!! HERE IT IS, IN YOUR FACES!!!!! THE DEATH OF THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!!
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 7, 2012 1:27 PM
http://www.unh.edu/ccrc/pdf/CV194.pdf

Although arrests of online predators are increasing, especially arrests for soliciting undercover law enforcement, the facts do not suggest that the Internet is facilitating an epidemic of sex crimes against youth. Rather, increasing arrests for online predation probably reflect increasing rates of youth Internet use, a migration of crime from offline to online venues, and the growth of law enforcement activity against online crimes.

Between 2000 and 2006, there was a 21% increase in arrests of offend‐
ers who solicited youth online for sex. During the same time, there was a 381% increase in arrests of offenders who solicited undercover investigators posing as youth.

EVERYONE should read the studies at http://www.unh.edu/ccrc/internet-crimes/

What I found out (after I actually read these statistics) is that these stings do model the typical "crime". I thought just like everyone else that internet predators actually sought out their "victims" but what is actually happening is teens are searching for sex on the internet no matter who it is with. However, the teens that do this are usually being sexually abused by their parents or are basically ignored by them. Therefore, the statistics prove that this kind of activity is created by bad parenting.

What the statistics also show is that it is still the creation of crime and virtue testing. Apparently, most men that find sex with a minor on the internet are not even looking for it so that would mean that the "minor" is looking for it because the parents are not doing their job. Therefore, what is really going on is that law enforcement are using something to their advantage that should not even be happening in the first place because some parents do not raise their kids properly.

This does not mean anything concerning the initiative to shut down the illegal stings. The only thing that these statistics do is further prove that they are illegal. Instead of speaking the truth about what is really going on, law enforcement and the media are spreading lies by saying that there are thousands of men trying to have sex with your children but the reality is that your children are trying to have sex with them. However, even if this is the typical scenario, law enforcement should not be in the business of testing the will of law abiding citizens by posing as these promiscuous teens because if these men are not even looking for sex with a minor, then they should be left alone.

Now that I have played "devil's advocate" I should point out that this is not what I believe at all. What I do believe is that these statistics are skewed by the fact that internet sting operations are on the rise and law enforcement are posing as promiscuous teens trying to have sex with adult men. Having said that, these statistics are still meaningless concerning the actual "crimes". It is my belief that these crimes typically do not occur and law enforcement have created it thanks to "Perverted Justice" and MSNBC.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 7, 2012 1:32 PM
from North Florida ICAC site"

Q. Has the internet created more pedophiles?
A. Again, a topic of great debate, but it's unlikely. Many psychologists attribute sexual preference to a sort of hard-wiring which develops in puberty. What the internet has been able to do is validate the urges that pedophiles have. Through collecting/viewing child pornography and chatting with other pedophiles, they get a reinforced belief that they are normal and that their tastes are acceptable.
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Raymond JusticeOctober 8, 2012 2:47 PM
Check This Out

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/crime-law/boca-raton-man-caught-in-child-solicitation-sting-/nSSW9/

He got arrested at his home for just emailing. He did nt travel to the sting site.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 8, 2012 3:56 PM
I wanna see the dang picture!!! WTF!!!! What happened to the substantial step requirement? The guy knew it was the cops and that's why he didn't go!!!! FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS ARE NOW GONE PEOPLE!!!!!

EVERYONE LISTEN UP!!!! WE NEED TO GET THIS GUY!!! I NEED TO GET THIS GUY WITH FLORIDA SCANDAL and when we do get him his case will not make it to trial. Even though he "confessed" he only told the cops what they told him so that's all he "knew" to tell them.

FIND THIS GUY AND FIND HIM QUICK!
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Raymond JusticeOctober 8, 2012 4:01 PM
They did the same exact thing to my buddy. He had a conversation and they came and arrested him at work. My buddy is on here..... Made Mistake is his name
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 8, 2012 4:07 PM
Well made mistake won't email us about his case! I don't even remember if we have his number or not! Jonathan Cruz Prachel should still be in jail right? His number is unlisted but you can pay to get it. SOMEONE CALL THE JAIL AND GET AHOLD OF HIM.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 8, 2012 4:27 PM
I am working on getting ahold of him. I have a plan that I am not going to mention here. Everyone else should try to get ahold of him too.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 8, 2012 4:29 PM
Dang he was released! Ok listen up everyone! Here is how these cases need to start being handled. If anyone gets arrested they should stay in jail and let someone file a habeas petition on their behalf. Does anybody know of people that are still in jail right now?
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 8, 2012 4:33 PM
I think the bank foreclosed on this guys house! No wonder he was looking for sex on the internet.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 8, 2012 4:34 PM
Raymond Justice, you seem to be the only one here so help me locate this guy!
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Raymond JusticeOctober 8, 2012 4:34 PM
I told Made Mistake to re-email you his case to you.... he thought he already did it.
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Raymond JusticeOctober 8, 2012 4:39 PM
I am trying to find him also with no luck
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 8, 2012 4:49 PM
Yeah well he might have already sent it but I talk to so many people and have so many cases I can't remember if he did or not. I am pretty sure he did not send me discovery.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 8, 2012 4:50 PM
Here is something you can do while you are trying to find him. Try to locate all the men that are in jail right now because they could not bond out.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 8, 2012 5:14 PM
I just paid for what I think is his phone number but I did not get an answer or voicemail.
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aladdinOctober 8, 2012 10:01 PM
Looks like he got out right after first appearance. His actual charges are 1 count of 847.0135(3A) and 2 counts of 847.0138(2) with an initial offense date of 08/09/2012. Sounds like they were working on him for a while.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 9, 2012 2:09 AM
Well that's even better if they were working on him for awhile. That shows that he was not really tempted at all and he just kept thinking about it.
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Talkn StangOctober 8, 2012 3:40 PM
OMG, another case of bullcrap. Of course, i am sure they left out the good stuff and i guarantee you that the photo was of a "more mature" woman. This kind of blatant disregard for the constitutional rights of your "normal law abiding citizen" is uncalled for. Law enforcement is on some kind of power trip in Florida and something needs to be done about it. THis guy placed an adult ad in an adult section of Craigslist more than likely and the pathetic scumbags targeted him randomly. Its just too bad they dont include the whole story
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Raymond JusticeOctober 8, 2012 4:02 PM
The crappy part is, the police initiated the contact
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 9, 2012 2:45 AM
Has everyone done their "homework" and read the new cases? Here are some questions particularly related to belief:

What case talks about how someone could randomly mention a minor just to get a person into trouble just because they know sexual topics are going to be talked about?

What case talks about how belief is irrelevant and if a real child is not harmed by sexual communication, then the speech is protected by the first amendment?

Having mentioned these two cases it is important to remember that even though the child solicitation statutes have been unconstitutionally tailored to abandon the impossibility defense, the fact that real children are not harmed by the communication and the police are just randomly saying they are teens just to make arrests means that it is still a viable defense. This is because belief cannot be arbitrarily proven simply because the undercover stated they were a “minor”. Therefore, the impossibility defense does still exist but just cannot exist solely on the ground that a minor was not involved in the communication. It has to be coupled with the adult, sexual environment and the fact that the statute is vague under the circumstances because of the general foray into the population. Hence, there is nothing but circumstantial evidence that DOES NOT prove belief beyond a reasonable doubt because the men were not looking for minors and these “minors” were merely cops trying to abridge the rights of freedom of speech just to make arrests.


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John JamesOctober 9, 2012 6:24 AM
The one thing i don't understand is how can one be charged with solicitaion when 1 they are the ones soliciting and 2 the person that we are soliciting is not real only a lie.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 9, 2012 6:38 AM
It's because they are ignoring case law and the constitution for the sole purpose of "protecting children".
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Raymond JusticeOctober 10, 2012 5:20 AM
There is a possible sting going on in ORLANDO. Flood them with emails so they stop. Here is the ad placed on there yesterday:

Virgin looking for her first time - w4m (orlando)

Date: 2012-10-09, 4:46PM EDT
x2m4w-3327755421@pers.craigslist.org

I like anyone with a good personality and we willl get along better if you are into video games and horror movies instead of sports and drinking
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 10, 2012 9:35 AM
The ad is still posted. Why not post your own ad?
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 10, 2012 10:15 AM
Another suspicious ad:

Just want no strings tonight!! - w4m

Date: 2012-10-09, 4:03PM EDT
Reply to this post rkhwp-3327644233@pers.craigslist.org

I want no strings action guys.. can I say that here lol its my first time posting. Just wanna be honest that's all.
If you're a slacker do not contact me. Keep your reply short and sweet and by all means try to make me interested. Those replies with self-photos will be given more attention.
If you are not interested in a please don't even reply as my heart can't handle getting attached and then broken.
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John JamesOctober 10, 2012 3:14 PM
Both of those sound of stings plain as day. I think i would have to start looking myself and help to pin these down. These is insane, the tax payers and and innocent people are the real victims in all this crap. I will keep fighting till the end.
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devotedgfOctober 11, 2012 2:21 PM
Due Process check your email please.
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john doeOctober 12, 2012 5:59 AM
Just wanted to stop by and thank you dueprocessisdue for your help in what I'm going through. I must say it gives me strength to keep going when I hear the atrocities that law enforcement are doing around Florida. I would recommend everyone listen to the web cast on regristrationx and not only look at this issue as a legalistic point of view. Look at it from the point of view that uses common sense. It is not right to prosecute people for what the government thinks they believe. I believe that is ethically wrong. What will be next? Prosecution for traveling through a known drug/prostitution area? Cause law enforcement knows that if you must be looking for drugs/prostitutes if you are traveling in that area.
It only takes law enforcement to get their foot in the door with these fabricated fantasy/thought crime before they begin to move into other area like chatting about drugs, sex, alcohol, religious beliefs, business ideas, etc.... It would be a total travesty if someone on the internet chats about going to get drugs and then walks out there house and get arrested for attempted drug buying. If you can understand that then you can understand why these stings are not ethically right.

Again, thank you dueprocessisdue for your help.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 13, 2012 10:04 AM
That is a very good observation. These stings are the same thing as arresting someone for talking about buying drugs but there are no drugs to buy.
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John JamesOctober 12, 2012 6:54 AM
I would have to say, Well Put. This blog has alot of great information on it and people that care helping to make a difference. To all of the people helping Thank you. To all the people looking and not helping GET INVOLVED. Put an end to the lies and stop the Illegal stings. It's all a crock and a waste of tax payers money. We need some big guns on our side. The word needs to get out there one way or another.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 13, 2012 7:15 PM
With all the people that are following this blog any reasonable person would think that the word was getting out quicker than what it is. It looks to me like most people are just in the cause for themselves but this has got to change.

Jonathan Cruz Prachel changed his phone number and now I don't know how to get ahold of him. EVERYONE should be trying to find victims from these stings!
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aladdinOctober 13, 2012 10:15 PM
Were you actually able to talk to him and verify anything like an address? It's not that we're in this just for ourselves but those of us that are post conviction or pre-trial have to be extremely careful about what we do and just how publicly we do it. Heck even Talkn Stang's PO gave him some grief when he exercised his right to free speech and got his article published! In a certain Florida county just speaking out against the sheriff and standing up to him got a woman arrested and stuck in jail for months!!!!

For most of the others that are post conviction and most of the ones that are still pre-trial just being on the internet is a serious violation. Even for those that can be on the internet all it takes is a grumpy PO having a bad day to violate someone for activities dealing with this blog. Individuals on probation or parole are not to associate with others on probation or parole and with the way they see everything else it isn't much of a stretch for them to call this blog association.

As a group these men have been or are going through an experience specifically designed to ruin them. There's the initial arrest charges and the bonds they entail followed by 'hidden' charges. Charges that are filed 'after hours' so the police don't have to reveal them for 30 days which usually coincides with the arraignment hearing. What the police are hoping is that the accused shows up for arraignment so they can arrest them again when they are completely unaware of the new charges forcing another bond. If the accused have representation and don't show up at arraignment then a warrant is issued for the new charges without even informing the defense attorney!!! The charges are almost always bogus and get nolle prossed because the only reason they exist is for further embarrassment and to try and financially break a defendant so they can't afford a stellar defense.

Every statement, every action, every living breath is scrutinized to see if it can be construed to further condemn the accused.

I know you want to get word out and I applaud your efforts. You have no idea how important this blog, the things you and others have done and the other people out there trying to help are to those of us caught in the nightmare.

Speaking for myself, I do try and get the word out where and when I feel I safely can and even then I know I'm taking a risk. It's a risk worth taking but please don't be too harsh on those that are terrified to do anything.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 14, 2012 8:21 AM
Well, the last time I checked there are no "minors" on here soliciting anyone for sex. The last time I checked, there are no adults on here talking about having sex with anyone much less looking for a minor to solicit. The last time I checked, this is NOT a way to find a "bootie call"!

The ONLY reason these men are restricted from using the internet is so the truth will not get out. This further perpetuates the lie that the men were using the internet to prey on children so they should not be allowed to use it and isn't this just "convenient" for "law enforcement"? Fear CANNOT kill you and the only way the government can "kill you" is to force you "under a rock" and keep you in fear. The days of executing people for speaking their minds and getting the truth out are long gone! While they can make life "uncomfortable" for you it is a small possibility and, in the event that it happens, isn't it a price worth paying and worth risking considering everything they have already done by ruining all of your lives in the first place?

Is anyone on here a child predator? Is anyone on here looking for children to victimize? The obvious answer is "NO" and nobody here is a criminal nor are they doing anything wrong. We are only trying to put the government in check. The only actions that can be used against anyone are illegal ones and there is NOBODY on here engaged in treason or defiling anyone's character! Law enforcement in an essence are already committing treason against this country because of the betrayal of trust, treachery, and ignorance of our constitutional rights!
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devotedgfOctober 14, 2012 7:20 AM
you are right in a sense and I wouldn't do anything that would jeopordize my boyfriends case but if we continue to let this go on and do nothing about it then how can we prevent it from happening in the future it is getting to be more and more apparent that they don't care who they arrest as long as they are arresting someone to make themselves look good or save their jobs and not care how many families they are tearing apart how many children due to these stings are not going to have a father i their life because of bs stings like this one
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 14, 2012 9:43 AM
The work of a real child predator! Everyone needs to wake up and realize that the internet is not a haven for child predators and the only ones that can protect our children is us! This little girl was not looking for sex with adult men on the internet. This little girl did not ask to be abducted (probably raped) and killed. This little girl was not looking for trouble, she was just walking to school! These stings are ILLEGAL and real children are not any more safe by performing them!

Read more here: http://www.bradenton.com/2012/09/20/4207285/suspects-arrested-in-sex-sting.html#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 14, 2012 9:45 AM
Forgot to post the url:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/13/police-id-remains-as-missing-colorado-girl-as-manhunt-for-kidnapper-heats-up/
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John JamesOctober 14, 2012 10:35 AM
The children are in fact in more danger by doing these stings because the real preditors know where the police are so they hide till they hear of a sting going on and while the police are busy doing these stings thats when they strike. Sad to say,but Due you are right. Our children are in more danger by doing these stings instead of being on the streets looking for the real criminals. These people getting arrested are not preying on children in a adult website, they are getting screwed by the very corrupted system that we should trust not be scared of. It seems that more and more of these stings are happening more often and it seems like they are in Florida. Like this link says WAKE UP FLORIDA we need more support and help to end this war.
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John JamesOctober 14, 2012 12:44 PM
Are we guilty, YES for wanting to know the truth. None of us are Looking for a minor to play with. We are looking for the truth behind the lies and proof that they are lies. There is plenty evedence to shows these stings are lies, but know one wants to see the truth. The people of our country have been lied to for so long that the real truth is no longer in our minds. Are we guilty of talking to a minor on craigslist NO we were talking to a poser/fake a person that is not real. The way is see it Everyone caught up this should be released and all rights restored with pay for the sufforing that has be put onto us. If everyone will speak out and have devoted family and friends speak out maybe we can get the real truth out and put an end to the issues at hand. No one should have to live their lifes in fear for wanting to tell the truth.
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Raymond JusticeOctober 15, 2012 6:50 AM
Check this out.....apparently the boys in Gainesville felt that they didnt get enough men to show up at thier sting so they went and arrested the guys that they had a conversation with online. They originally only got 6 to showup. This is the sting I found back in July, and I did my best to expose it....that maybe why they originally only got 6. See the link below

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20121001/ARTICLES/121009961/1150/news09?Title=Three-arrested-in-online-sex-sting
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Raymond JusticeOctober 15, 2012 7:07 AM
Correction...this is a sting that happened in Feb
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 15, 2012 7:17 AM
AHHHHHHHHH!!!! WTF! This is clearly a violation of free speech. The Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union, 521 U.S. 844 (1997), court was right stating:

It would confer broad powers of censorship, in the form of a "heckler's veto," upon any opponent of indecent speech who might simply log on and inform the would be discoursers that his 17 year old child--a "specific person . . . under 18 years of age," 47 U. S. C. A. § 223(d)(1)(A) (Supp. 1997)--would be present…

If they are allowed to arrest men at their homes simply because of the way the statute is written then the statute is unconstitutional. The substantial step requirement has also been thrown out the window and these men are being arrested simply because of a conversation even though it is obvious that they had no intention of showing up.

This should worry a lot of people and not just the ones being arrested. It has been stated that law enforcement are in contact with hundreds of men that do not even show up. Therefore, it does not seem like it is going to take too much longer before there is a task force that drives around arresting everyone that has simply carried on a conversation!!!!

Someone please try to get into contact with these men before they make the grave mistake of “believing” the prosecutor or public defender that they have done something illegal and to take a plea.

“Freedom of the mind occupies a highly-protected position in our constitutional heritage. Even when an individual's ideas concern immoral thoughts about images of children, the Supreme Court has steadfastly maintained the right to think freely.”

United States v. Williams, 444 F.3d 1286 (11th Cir. 2006)

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devotedgfOctober 15, 2012 2:27 PM
The only thing is without money it is hard to fight because they want to much as a lawyer to go to trial with.

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John JamesOctober 17, 2012 3:46 PM
I guess they did not meet their minimum 10 quota to get their tax payers money for their illegal actions so they had to recruit a few more victums to make it officially 10 arrested. What do you think. This sucks for those that never left their homes and like the rest of us that had no intentions to be with a minor. I also see a petition where a lady will not come to Florida again cause of all this nonsence. That should tell our state government something about what these stings are doing to Florida's economy, but guess they don't care it is more important to put kids at risk instead of protecting them.
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John JamesOctober 15, 2012 2:42 PM
A women suing Lake County Sheriff office for hog-tieing her half naked for hours as she was in holding. Good for her.Jane Velez-Mitchell has interview. 5 or more male cops involved and never called for the female cop on duty. That is very wrong.
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john doeOctober 16, 2012 2:59 AM
I read about the woman in lake county. the officers also reported that she bit or attempted to bite an officer on the leg so they put a knee to the back of her head while hog tied and broke a couple if her teeth out. btw, she was intoxicated while hog tied. law enforcement at its best....
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John JamesOctober 16, 2012 6:20 AM
Intoxicated or not, that does not give them the right to leave her naked in the holding area hovering over her like valtures, The female cop on duty should have been in the room instead. They could have covered her up. I think that was a bit to forceful on there part.
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john doeOctober 16, 2012 8:39 PM
I just saw on the news another sting in Volusia county..
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 16, 2012 9:31 PM
Way to go on spotting the ads for this sting! The ads posted above are some of the ones used for the sting.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Doctor-students-nabbed-in-Volusia-County-child-sex-sting-operation/-/1637132/17007134/-/jirvkjz/-/index.html
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 16, 2012 11:09 PM
Comment posted at URL above but is awaiting moderation:

Ok, first things first. Here is the REAL TRUTH about this sting and ALL OTHERS LIKE IT! Everyone needs to be aware of the type of ads placed on the ADULT section of Craigslist during this sting. Here is a sample that was used during this sting:

Just want no strings tonight!! - w4m



Date: 2012-10-09, 4:03PM EDT

Reply to this post rkhwp-3327644233@pers.craigslist.org



I want no strings action guys.. can I say that here lol its my first time posting. Just wanna be honest that's all.
If you're a slacker do not contact me.

Keep your reply short and sweet and by all means try to make me interested. Those replies with self-photos will be given more attention.


If you are not interested in a please don't even reply as my heart can't handle getting attached and then broken.

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The key points to note about this ad:

1.There is no age posted so it’s obvious law enforcement are not targeting child predators or even men looking for minors.

2. The age disclaimer on this section of Craigslist says you must agree that you are at least 18 to use the service.

3.The ad is obviously advertising sex with an adult woman.

4.The body of the ad further states the interest in casual sex.

5.The ad encourages sexual dialogue by saying try to make “her” interested.

6.The ad encourages sexually assertive behavior by saying no slackers.

*Note: All of this BEFORE the “age” is known so men are assuming it’s an adult. According to THE FACTS above, the MEDIA IS LYING TO YOU.

The reasons why this is egregious government conduct/objective entrapment:

1.The Supreme Court has decided that sex cannot be used to get men to “commit crimes”.

2.A man cannot solicit a “minor” for sex when the “minor” has already solicited him for sex especially by posing as an adult.

3.Since the men expect to be conversing with adults and, in fact, are then the sexual dialogue is protected speech and crimes are not even occurring.

4.This is a general foray into the population to test the law-abiding nature of random citizens. i.e. virtue testing.

5.This is the creation of "crime".

Please visit http://floridascandal.blogspot.com for case law supporting these claims of entrapment under the “Case Law Links” page. Also, visit http://www.registrationx.net/ and listen to the radio show called “Internet Sex Stings – Fact Or Fiction?” to learn more truth about these illegal stings. Stop being lied to by law enforcement and the media. These men are not looking for children to have sex with. These men are not going to abduct a real child like Jessica Ridgeway. Law enforcement have just broke out the forbidden arsenal to set men up and make money under the guise of protecting children.

If everyone is worried about protecting their children then all they need to do is two things:

1.Uphold the constitution by stopping these illegal stings because the longer we let the government violate our rights enumerated in it then the more likely is it that it will not even exist for our kids.

2.Keep your teens off of adult web sites pretending to be adults intentionally looking for sex with adults, which is illegal to do (and they probably aren’t doing) anyway.
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Raymond JusticeOctober 17, 2012 9:08 AM
Looks like they decided not to post itn however I was able to post and i mentioned this web site
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Raymond JusticeOctober 17, 2012 9:57 AM
Stupid moderators have been deleting my posts now
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 16, 2012 11:49 PM
I AM ABOUT TO EXPLODE!!!!!! THIS HAS GOT TO STOP DAMN IT!
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john doeOctober 17, 2012 2:33 AM
Volusia county sex sting.

the article says that that law enforcement says the men thought they were talking to minors. I would like to know how law enforcement knows what these guys are thinking..

http://wap.wftv.com/wap/news/text.jsp?sid=147&nid=2444062565&cid=378&scid=-1&ith=3&title=Local+News&headtitle=Local+News

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john doeOctober 17, 2012 2:49 AM
I agree with your points above dueprocess. I further believe that first contact is made by law enforcement since the communication is from LE posting an ad in a public adult forum where any law abiding citizen could legally respond to it.





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devotedgfOctober 17, 2012 5:23 AM
I would like to know how they keep getting away with this and this is getting to be such a problem the adult websites need to hire more people to ensure each ad legal. then maybe these adult websites will get fed up with lawenforcement using their sites for these stings
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John JamesOctober 17, 2012 7:08 AM
I think that most adult site are monitoring these ads. I don't think Craigslist is looking at them that close and they have worked with LE on other issues. I hope not, but i have read that somewhere. I don't think these stings are protecting anyone, All it is doing is given the real preditors the green light. when the stings are going on thats when the preditors stike, they know the LE is to busy arresting innocent men for being courious of who they really talking to. The only way we are going to make a difference is to change the minds of the public and media, some how. If we could find a reporter that will side with us and tell our side of the story then maybe it will change. The LE is getting a great deal of money to do these stings using taxpayers hard earned money. The media has convenced the public they are getting scum off the street and they believe it. The thing is they are not getting scum off the streets they are getting great fathers, brother, sons, and friends. We need to stand strong and fight.
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Raymond JusticeOctober 17, 2012 9:29 AM
Back in February, Craigslist re-wrote their policy to help facilitate these stings. The old policy made it very difficult for law enforcement to conduct the sting because of certain stipulations in that police...i.e. no bait and swithc ads and no fake or ficticious ads. I Still have a copy of the old policy and it has been a great tool to help people that were caught prior to February. Email me if you would like a copy. Internetstingpolice@gmail.com
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aladdinOctober 17, 2012 8:58 PM
Thanks for the copy! Now I just have to figure out how to use everything to my advantage.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 17, 2012 10:28 AM
Illegal internet stings help fuel this paranoia over child predators. Child predators do not exist on the internet except maybe one in a million people but certainly not the record numbers these "child sex stings" project. The real child predators are the one's that abduct children like Jessica Ridgeway in Colorado which this type of scenario was the whole motivation behind the sex offender laws. Now it has evolved into a method to make sex offenders out of thin air so the government can profit from "crime". It is no secret that the government has always profited from war and drugs and these unconstitutional sex offender laws are no different.

Visit the blog "Florida Scandal" at http://floridascandal.blogspot.com for proof these stings are illegal.

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http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/10/2012101474052331874.html
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18 months of hell!!!!!!!October 17, 2012 2:36 PM
Okay, we just got back from court for my husbands sentencing. He was given 121 months in prison and 10 years supervised release. I am fighting mad and ready to do whatever I can to see this changed.

There are 4 new inmates where he is now that were all caught in a sting and one was charged federal and the other three state, all four got different charges and supposedly all from the same sting. I am suppose to be getting their email addresses so I can contact their families, I will direct them to this blog and see if we can't get some more support.

Dueprocessisdue as soon as I can get the discovery scanned I will get it emailed to you.
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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 17, 2012 5:00 PM
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John JamesOctober 17, 2012 5:43 PM
now thats not worth a crap. hate to hear about this. now i am getting fed up with this unfairness in our judicial system. the bias BS has got to stop. the lawyers that are defending us need to study up on all the case laws and get it together. all the lawyers need to get together and find a way to win these cases.
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18 months of hell!!!!!!!October 17, 2012 6:35 PM
Yes he did, because they threatened to arrest our son and me, saying we were obstructing justice. Our intent was to fight it to the end. I am not done yet, I will fight this until they put me in the ground.
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john doeOctober 17, 2012 4:57 PM
18 months, are you saying that your husband got 10 years and a month for being caught in this trap? wow, you have got to be kidding me.
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aladdinOctober 17, 2012 5:18 PM
If I remember right her husband was facing federal charges. Federal sentencing guidelines tend to be more severe than even Florida's. Many times they do prison + lifetime probation and treatment.
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18 months of hell!!!!!!!October 17, 2012 6:36 PM
That is exactly what I am saying.
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Talkn StangOctober 17, 2012 8:35 PM
im back, what judge or court is going to do what is right? they know its wrong yet are unwilling to abide by the letter of the law. It is all in "black and white"! Somebodys ass needs to be on the line for what i call the largest law enforcement "blunder" this country has ever seen.
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devotedgfOctober 18, 2012 5:23 AM
wish us luck pre-trial today at 1:30 I hope we get threw this it has been so much hell on all of us
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John JamesOctober 17, 2012 9:11 PM
To be perfectly honest i am about ready to go postal and if i could i would protect the gov. office and DOJ as well as the white house. chances of getting killed are over 100% most likely. Stang you are right the judges are bias and don't give a damn about the innocent guys in this crap. they believe the LE not the facts in the case at hand. Screw them all.
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John JamesOctober 18, 2012 7:39 AM
It don't seem as if any judge or court is going to do the right thing as long as the media keeps the lies going. Even the best lawyers in the world may not be able to win these BS cases. The judges already made their minds up before it goes to trail. I agree somebody should take an ass beating for starting all these stings. Like it has been said over and over again these is not protecting kids its putting them in more danger.

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• . John JamesOctober 18, 2012 11:20 AM
  Gov.Scott comments, I am learning how FDLE Orlando Regional Operations centers cracks cases and brings criminals to justice in Florida. He needs to investigate the way they are cracking cases. He needs to look into these stings and get a grip on how they are being done, He needs to see the truth behind all of them.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 18, 2012 11:38 AM
  Don't forget that A LOT of people are questioning these stings! Below is a comment posted at
  
  http://www.alligator.org/news/local/article_995d8298-51c3-11e1-b651-0019bb2963f4.html?success=1
  
  because a couple of people posting there believe that it is. Remember, the more people that we get in contact with that know, believe, or even think that the stings might be entrapment the better off everyone is.
  
  It is entrapment specifically OBJECTIVE ENTRAPMENT. These stings are tailored to the Florida statute on SUBJECTIVE entrapment but the constitution dealing with OBJECTIVE entrapment has been ignored. This article states that the sting was performed for no reason. Having said that, law enforcement are admitting to just creating crime by posing as teens looking for illegal sex on ADULT sites trying to lure ANY MAN and not just child predators. Furthermore, sex cannot be used to get men to "commit crimes" in the first place. This kind of activity is OBJECTIVE ENTRAPMENT and has been confirmed by the Umansky law firm.
  
  Please listen to the radio show called "Internet Sex Sting - Fact Or Fiction?" at http://www.registrationx.net/ and the blog called "Florida Scandal" at http://floridascandal.blogspot.com for proof of what is really going on and case law proving these claims.
  
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 18, 2012 3:19 PM
  http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/18/14539592-boy-scouts-release-secret-child-abuse-files-the-pain-and-the-anguish-of-thousands?lite
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 18, 2012 3:31 PM
  Any comments I leave get deleted! Man this is a huge cover up!
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 18, 2012 4:00 PM
  I wonder how many other politicians are actually soliciting children for sex online? I bet that's why this state keeps doing these stings like mad: to cover up their actions. Just like the sheriff that was arrested for abducting teen boys to make child pornography.
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Foley_congressional_page_incident
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  John JamesOctober 18, 2012 4:15 PM
  When you are looking for something else, sometimes you find things that catch your eye. just like Mark Foley and i am sure there are others. i will keep looking. i am sure i can find them and pass it along.
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  John JamesOctober 18, 2012 5:57 PM
  Another Congressman in the news human trafficking and prostitution. Congressman Gus Bilirakis resigns and withdraws from election. WCTV exclusive. Lets see if he gets off like the others did.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 19, 2012 2:29 PM
  EVERYONE needs to read this case from the 11th district. This guy used the fantasy defense and it was shot down as well as the fact that his sentence reduction to one year was reversed and the 30 year minimum was reinstated.
  
  The facts of this case are different than any one else's case since the adult chat room he was in was dedicated to talking about sex with children called "Fetish 14". Furthermore, child pornography was found on his computer. However, he passed a psychosexual evaluation saying that he was not interested in children but evidence showed that he did have the "habit" of fantasizing about having sex with children as evident from the child pornography and the fact that he frequented these kinds of chat rooms.
  
  This case should be extremely disturbing because this man has always had a fantasy about having sex with children but never acted on those fantasies until law enforcement got involved. Also, there was reasonable doubt in my mind as to how close to the commission of the crime he actually was because he only agreed to meet at an IHOP.
  
  This case proves that the government has no qualms about using your words or "sick fantasies" that are in your head against you. The positive aspect of this case is that nobody that we are talking to have exhibited similar behaviour to this case. i.e. Nobody had the habit of fantasizing about having sex with children and did not have child pornography. Therefore, if anyone were to use this case to support their innocence then they would more than likely win.
  
  This is proof that the fantasy defense has been used before and failed but the lifestyle of the defendant "proved" that he was looking to make that fantasy a reality.
  
  
  U.S. v. Brenton-Farley, 607 F.3d 1294 (11th Cir. 2010)
  
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  Brenda ForbesOctober 19, 2012 5:00 PM
  first of all every case is different second the media only gives you the info they want you to hear not the truth. the truth is no these men were not trolling for children they answered an adult ad on an adult based web site with an adult age and a picture of an adult. sounds like a pedophile so far right? only if you are close minded, no there is no crime there the crime was when the officer then used bait and switch, offered these men to teach a sibling, by the way when these men said no the officer continued talking to them in some cases offered cash or alcohol to get the men to come meet them. the adult not the child. so even after conversation about a minor it still went back to just adult conversation. still not illegal or immoral in some cases even when the men didnt fall for that trap and stopped responding they were continuously called and harrassed by the police for "wasting their time." also ill bet you didnt know the reason for the police doing these illegal stings is to receive federal funding due to the adam walsh act. again what they dont tell you is it is costing you the taxpayer money for the police to continue these illegal stings. the only thing they care about is having the most arrests not the true number of pedophiles caught. according to sorna it costs the state of florida 29,602.768 in one year to implement the sex offender registry. the amount of byrne money they receive is12,402,693. it doesnt take a genius to figure out the remaining 17,200,075 has to be coming out of your the taxpayers pocket. i bet you also didnt know florida has 189 ways to get on the sex offender registry. so these people that you are so ignorantly thinking the government is protecting your children from are in most cases no harm to your child. there are children as young as 4 years old on the registry why for hugging a girl. c ome on now really none of us want to protect the true pedopholes we just want the state to wake up and stop taking our money and arresting innocent men to keep their numbers up when the children are still in just as much if not more harm because the police are to busy trolling adult web sites they are not protecting the true adam walsh's at the bus stop, playground, from the babysitter, cousin, aunt, uncle etc where statistics show the true pedophiles come from. we are not asking you to think there are no pedophiles, just to understand and realize the majority not all but large majority of these men did nothing to get prison time except contact an adult for companionship or sex. its also a proven fact that men think of sex also twice as much as women so wanting a little adult playtime is human nature and thats all these men were doing
  
  
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  john doeOctober 19, 2012 8:06 PM
  lake county sheriff officer caught having sexual relationship with 14 year old. I'll post the link in a moment.
  
  
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  john doeOctober 19, 2012 8:17 PM
  actually he was a reserve officer with fruitland park FL and school volunteer...
  
  where was the ICAC TASK force to nab this guy who actually had sx with a 14 year old? he also used the internet to solicit, lure and entice a minor.
  
  oh I forgot, the ICAC task force is on craigslist and POF soliciting, luring, and entrapping unsuspecting and innocent me and ruining their lives.
  
  http://wap.wftv.com/wap/news/text.jsp?sid=147&nid=2548350837&cid=378&scid=-1&ith=0&title=Local+News&headtitle=Local+News
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 19, 2012 9:06 PM
  I'm telling everyone that these stings are just a coverup. There might be some pretty crooked things going on in the state of Florida.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 19, 2012 8:23 PM
  This case is completely erroneous because he tried to argue that the court did not have jurisdiction to impose the sentence and the sentence was disproportionate.
  
  U.S. Schumaker, No. 11-13616 (11th Cir, May 24, 2012)
  
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 19, 2012 9:02 PM
  There are 11th district cases used in this case.
  
  U.S. v. Kaye, 451 F.Supp.2d 775(VA, 2006)
  
  The statute's primary focus is on adults using the Internet to seek out and persuade minors to meet for the purpose of engaging in sexual activity…
  
  To convict under § 2422(b), the Government must prove the following elements beyond a reasonable doubt: (1) use of a facility of interstate commerce; (2) to knowingly persuade, induce, entice, or coerce; (3) a person who is younger than eighteen; (4) to engage in an illegal sexual activity. See United States v. Helder,452 F.3d 751, 755 (8th Cir.2006); United States v. Meek,366 F.3d 705, 718 (9th Cir.2004); United States v. Davis, 165 Fed.Appx. 586, 588 (10th Cir.2006); United States v. Bolen, 136 Fed.Appx. 325, 329 (11th Cir. 2005)…
  
  Defendant has been charged with criminal attempt under the statute since there was no actual minor involved and, as such, the offense was not completed. Consequently, the Government must also prove that Defendant: (1) acted with the kind of culpability required for a conviction of the underlying substantive offense; (2) engaged in conduct that constitutes a substantial step toward commission of the crime. See United States v. Farner,251 F.3d 510, 513 (5th Cir.2001); Helder, 452 F.3d at 755.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 19, 2012 9:11 PM
  Here is the link to all the cases:
  
  http://www.leagle.com/Search.aspx?q=%22internet%20sting%22%20%2211th%20Cir.%22
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 19, 2012 9:41 PM
  Spivey v. State, 619 S.E.2d 346 (274 Ga. App. 834, 2005)
  
  In his only enumeration of error, Spivey contends the trial court erred in requiring him to register as a sex offender. The sexual offender registry statute requires persons "convicted of a criminal offense against a victim who is a minor or ... convicted of a sexually violent offense" to register as a sex offender. OCGA § 42-1-12(b)(1)(A)(i). Spivey argues that his convictions do not fit into either category. We disagree.
  
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 20, 2012 10:59 AM
  Posted at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/17/child-sex-sting-florida_n_1975272.html
  
  Being ready and willing to “break the law” is part of the SUBJECTIVE entrapment and does not weigh on OBJECTIVE entrapment. These stings do not merely provide the opportunity to commit a crime but create the crime itself by posing as minors who pose as ADULTS looking for sex. These stings are being performed on ADULT websites advertising sex. SEX CANNOT BE USED to get men to “commit crimes”.
  
  The government should not be in the business of testing the will of law-abiding citizens with teens desperate to engage in sex with random men (virtue testing). See People v. Aguirre, No. G045009 (Cal. 4th DCA, April 5, 2012); Lusby v. State, 507 So.2d 611 (Fla. 1987). Men are being approached by law enforcement hiding their identities as an adult looking for sex only to introduce a “minor” into the story later after the inducement has already occurred. These men were not looking for children; they stumbled into a carelessly placed trap meant to create sex offenders.
  
  “Human nature is weak enough and sufficiently beset by temptations without government adding to them and generating crime.” Aguirre.
  
  “Even when an individual's ideas concern immoral thoughts about images of children, the Supreme Court has steadfastly maintained the right to think freely.”
  
  US v. William, 444 F.3d 1286 (11th Cir. 2006)
  
  The interest in encouraging freedom of expression in a democratic society outweighs any theoretical but unproven benefit of censorship.”
  
  Reno v. ACLU, 521 U.S. 844 (1997)
  
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 20, 2012 12:44 PM
  What is up with all these cases being dead in the water? Have we stopped fighting? There are cases that have been dropped and it's only a matter of time before we can use them. There is no reason why it should take months and months to get a motion to dismiss filed and an appeal filed if necessary. Get your attorneys on the ball or fire them!!!!
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  Prince MachiavelliOctober 20, 2012 4:45 PM
  I am hpoing to have some good ammo for you when and if my case gets dropped next week.
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  John JamesOctober 20, 2012 4:57 PM
  I hope your case and all the others get dropped. Good luck.
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  I have been wondering what was going on myself. I am hoping a lot more of them get dropped. It has been very quiet, kinda makes you wonder if all we are doing is finally getting threw. The more we find and publish the more people will hear about the truth. Keep up all the great work. I think if Congressmen and Attorneys can get out of this, so could the average guy. Yes they have the money and power, but they have done the same if not worse.
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  scaredmommaOctober 26, 2012 8:44 AM
  you forget,the congressmen and attorneys have high powered friends!they will slip right out,squeeky clean,no,the average guy wont,not until a very powerful person or group actually dares get involved,the governor of fla,will not touch this.neither will higher ups,they are all politically running scared.its very high profile,they wont touch it.this has a deep running agenda to it,i dont know what yet,but it is big,i just hope with all the attention its getting ,that some how it gets split wide open,not soon enough for us personally involved in it,our lives are completely destroyed,our loved ones are labeled a sex offender since october 2011.it dont matter if they are innocent,they are already labeled.everyone knows them from media coverage.it is a sad day when this happens to good people all because of the all mightly dollar!it isnt worth it to us,we will never get our lives back,not ever,no matter what the outcome is in the end.the damage has been done.precous memories have been lost,these men arent allowed to do anything with their families,they are under arrest in their homes.that is harsh and not fair treatment,especially since non they have no record.this has been a horrid nightmare from the start,for us it will never end.i doubt for the rest either.non of these cases have been dropped that im aware of,i dont see it happening to any of them.not because of guilt,because of political and monetary gain im sure.the law cant look bad,even though they scewed this up big time,its illegal and we all know it,but it doesnt seem to mater at all.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 26, 2012 2:36 PM
  Cases are being dropped but they are afraid to come forward until after their records are erased because if they make too many waves the state or feds can pick the cases back up again. The government can mess up and have done so similarly in the past. There was a sting up north not too long ago where homosexuals were targeted because somebody with a PhD erroneously opined that homosexuals were more likely to be pedophiles. Same scenario here except that they targeted homosexuals and it was not on the internet. All of those cases got thrown out but unfortunately, this has been going on for far too long and it is not as controversial targeting average men as it is to target homosexuals.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 26, 2012 2:39 PM
  Oh and to add to that, there was an internet sting where homosexual drug addicts were targeted on adult sites and most of those cases got thrown out too but by a judge. I think the url was posted on here. Having said these things, there trick here is to MAKE the government understand that virtue testing is illegal no matter who the target is.
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  John JamesOctober 20, 2012 4:08 PM
  Here is a couple articles i looked up about victimless crimes.
  
  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victimless_crime_(political_philosophy)
  
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  John JamesOctober 22, 2012 9:46 AM
  This is a little old but has good info.
  
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 23, 2012 4:57 PM
  The purpose of this blog is to let everyone know that there are other people fighting the injustice known as the internet sting. The only way to fight the injustice is not sell out and to go against the grain. Only "sheep" take plea agreements without a fight. If everyone was on their own taking a plea might be the best choice but there are people here helping and offering guidance that for right now seems to be taken too lightly. We are wolves not sheep!
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  devotedgfOctober 23, 2012 5:35 PM
  yes true but unless your rich and can afford a high priced lawyer your not getting anywhere. it's the juries you have to. convince and like I say you have to have a lot of money even though it is objective entrapment plain as day it's not making a difference to the jurors they are still coming back with guilty verdicts it's a no win situation. until we can get the people to stand up to these states attorneys and change it
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 23, 2012 7:59 PM
  Fighting is how to stand up! They want people to take a plea because it proves them right! The juries are not supposed to rule on issues of law so these issues need to be taken up with the COURT! The only way to do that is to file what needs to be filed and say what needs to be said and not to just lay down and die! It does not take money! It takes perseverance and dedication and ANY man who values his image and knows who he is as a person will fight! A fighter will NEVER be told who he is by a corrupt system meant to oppress him!
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  aladdinOctober 23, 2012 10:09 PM
  I just finished reading an article that was an analysis of statute 847.0135(3) that basically predicted the current law enforcement abuse of the power this piece of legislation gives them. Funny thing is, it was written by an LEO 12 years ago! It called for an appeal of 847.0135(3) and amendments to other existing laws to protect children or an amendment to 847.0135(3) to protect the rights of the unwary innocent. DueProcess, a copy is on its way to you.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 25, 2012 1:27 AM
  That article is useless! I read it and it makes some good points but it never addressed the fact that if "the child" is accessing adult web sites by pretending to be adults to look for illegal sex, then it is inducement. It never mentions the fact that these stings are not targeting people looking for children (and in fact incorrectly assumes that they do), but just anyone who can be tempted with free, consensual sex. That article ONLY made the distinction between pedophiles that role play and pedophiles that are actually seeking out real meetings to perform the illegal acts spoken about in the chat or emails. It only briefly addresses the issue of belief and I can tell it was written by a cop who merely was trying to sound smart by avoiding the real issues of law and making incorrect assumptions.
  
  Some jurisdictions have already addressed the substantial step requirement and even though the child solicitation statutes do not mention this requirement, it is still required to prove intent.
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  aladdinOctober 25, 2012 11:33 PM
  I wouldn't say absolutely useless. It does show that the statutes people are being convicted under were written without regards for protecting the 'unwary innocent' The issue of belief was mentioned to illustrate that that alone wasn't enough to safeguard rights and that was why he called for a repeal of 847.0135(3) or to amend it to add protections. He also mentions that there is no provision for abandoning the crime which is something else that should have been included in the legislation. His overall analysis is sound.
  
  Between Cruz and Munoz the court established standards for objective and subjective entrapment. Even though the state legislated subjective entrapment the court preserved the defense of objective entrapment as a part of due process. The court did that to preserve the defense of objective entrapment because subjective entrapment should not be applied to objective legislation and objective entrapment should not be applied to subjective legislation. That's why the courts deny motions to dismiss based on entrapment as a matter of law. It doesn't apply to clearly subjective legislation, which this is.
  
  Given the time the article was written, 12 years ago, law enforcement as a general rule was targeting people looking for children and focused on sites that catered to that deviancy. Sites that no longer exist. The phenomenon we have today of police targeting adults looking for adults was nowhere near as prevalent and only took off after the real pedophile wells dried up. Even then when police targeted adult areas it was generally done passively i.e. sit and wait to be approached, age clearly stated on the profile and in the name used etc etc. This is in stark contrast to today where police actively target any individual under pretenses of being adult, on an adult only forum and you know the rest. This type of activity was something he was trying to warn people about 12 years ago.
  
  I agree with fighting this and I am. At this point that means gathering all the information I can in order to fully understand what I'm up against. Only then will I know how to finally beat it. This article is the first thing I've read that actually explains why courts are behaving the way they are and it gave me some clues as to where to look next.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 25, 2012 9:00 PM
  You know, I don’t see the point in continuing to pretend that people will listen and are really innocent of these types of crimes. The issue here is not the guilt of the defendant but the actions of law enforcement. However, the general consensus seems to be right: If men are taking a plea without a fight then they are probably guilty. It does not have anything to do with money. If someone is really innocent they will not take a plea without doing something to ensure their right to appeal. We are refusing to talk to anyone unless they show real initiative and determination to prove their innocence. Florida Scandal was never meant to support cowards.
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  scaredmommaOctober 26, 2012 8:27 AM
  i cant believe you above others would say that crap.how dare you!i for one know exactly how it felt to have that crap threatened on my son,ya you are trying to help with all your advice,ok fine ,but you are not here in our shoes,if these guys have public defenders it doesnt matter if they go to trial or take a plea,it will still end the same way,we found that out,thank goodness before we messed it up in our case,but some of these guys are actually guilty,those ones do need to be punished,not the innocent ones,i just read all these blogs and i have to tell you,i am disappointed that you would sit here and be so judgemental of all.i mean no disrespect but you should not be judgeing anyone,you are definately not in anyone elses shoes,our lives have been totally destroyed by this,and it does not make anyone feel you are on our side when you say this crap.i for one will not judge any of them,i have been threw the hell,i am aware of the horrible things that await us,this will not get blown out of the water before our loved ones go to prison,that is as sure as we breath!until you are waiting your turn here in tallahasse to get your biased trial and prison sentance,please try to refrain from judgeing us all.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 26, 2012 1:56 PM
  I just wrote that to get a "rise" out of everyone! I am not judging anyone! I just wanted to see who it would motivate. There are A LOT of good people here fighting like hell but we NEED MORE!
  
  I am sorry if I offended you but remember that some time things are written on the internet for a reason other than what they actually say. That's the whole issue behind the sting so I know you understand. As far as some of the men being guilty, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT AT ALL. Under these circumstances, even if a man does have it in his mind that he is going to have sex with a minor he is still innocent since there is nothing illegal about thinking anything especially if it was put there and encouraged by someone else (law enforcement). THIS IS THOUGHT CRIME MANUFACTURED BY POLICE! EVERYONE IS INNOCENT!
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  John JamesOctober 26, 2012 7:07 AM
  Due I agree with both on that matter. It is hard to want to fight, but you got to stand your ground. I will fight to the end. I may not know as much as you and not as smart, but i try. I can only fight for so long. I have to get away from it and regroup thaen start fighting again. I am there with you and will do what i can.
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  John JamesOctober 26, 2012 7:13 AM
  Norm Pattis spoke at the SO convention in Arizona he has some good stories on his blog. pattisblog.com He talks in one of them about doing away with plea bargin to make the prosicutor prove there case. I think he has a great idea, read it aand see what you think.
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  FightingLikeHellOctober 26, 2012 7:36 AM
  Sorry it has been a while since last checking in...life is extremely busy when the government has forced me to be a single mother and hold down my fulltime job because my fiance is not allowed to be at home... update is that the judge has granted our suppression request on the grounds of my fiance being coerced into signing over his miranda rights... the gov. Now has a few more days to submit their plea to have this overturned... trial was postponed until early dec. No firm date yet...our attorney's (federal public defenders) are interviewing character witnesses to choose the best ones... outside of myself... I am fighting my ass off which is why he is not sitting in prison with a 30 year sentence for child molestation when he never even spoke to a child.. but what else is new lol. Any updates on any other cases?
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 26, 2012 1:46 PM
  We are still waiting on those two or three cases that were dropped to come forward. A couple of appeals are dead in the water and a couple are pending.
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  devotedgfOctober 26, 2012 11:48 AM
  we fought a losing battle due we did use your advice but to no avail I say to you this everything you have given we used and its great advice but it's about the money sorry but true and we are scared to mess up and upsetting the judge could make it much worse no one higher up wants to touch this believe me I tried. I even tried the governor it is politicaly motivated and money for the state and even though we are now the pediphial capital title a lot of these men that are innocent don't stand a chance with the way the state is presenting the evidence ours is just bits and pieces scrambled to fit a lot is missing and we couldn't withdraw our attorney it was denied we have tried every avenue you showed and appreciate all you have done it might be to late for some but I am still going to keep fighting as long as I am able
  
  
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 26, 2012 2:50 PM
  Sorry for my "French" ahead of time but F*** that judge, the pd's office, and the prosecutor! They are all crooked as hell and that is why he was denied his right to effective counsel. If you didn't have the money then you should have done it yourself. I would withdraw that plea if I could but if you can't then I would file an appeal on the sentence immediately especially since you allege that the evidence was cut and pasted to present a different scenario like is done with most other cases. There are only certain circumstances in which a plea can be withdrawn and the "judge" has to approve it.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 26, 2012 3:07 PM
  Well it's about to get REALLY BAD! The "pedophile crusader" Shady, Grady Judd is trying to get Congress to stop giving aid to felons! Everyone knows who that includes! Not only are they trying to make innocent people homeless but now they want to starve them too! EVERYONE should hit this story with comments! If Shady Grady is tired of his tax dollars being used to support "criminals" then he should stop setting up innocent people in internet stings!
  
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  aladdinOctober 26, 2012 7:39 PM
  Well I would post something there but every time I try it gets deleted. Imagine that.
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  John JamesOctober 26, 2012 7:00 PM
  I think somebody needs to shut him down as well. He is the reason all this shit is going like it is. He even had some of his own involved in sex crimes. He is no more a great man than i am a millionair, which i am not. If i was then i would fund as many people i could to get out of this. we should start a petition of our own.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 26, 2012 7:27 PM
  We are trying to fund people to get out of this mess but that donations button does not seem to work. So far the donations have been used for advertising and we have also been advertising on our own.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 27, 2012 2:21 PM
  ACTUAL ADS FROM STINGS are being posted to "Craigslist Patrons/ Actual Sting Ads". Please send in ads from stings to be posted.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 27, 2012 2:52 PM
  Please make sure the pictures of the ads you send in are png.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 27, 2012 11:07 PM
  Has Monroe County ever done a sting? If they haven't then it is probably because there is not enough people in or near the Florida Keys. Therefore, the motivation behind the stings is probably population statistics.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 27, 2012 11:14 PM
  Protest against the illegal internet stings is being formed. Anyone near the Capital wanting to participate please contact us. Thanks
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 29, 2012 8:14 PM
  Another entrapment sting in Lee County!
  
  http://www.winknews.com/Local-Florida/2012-10-30/Child-predator-sting-yields-40-arrests-in-SWFL#.UI86DjkctUR
  
  I am getting fed up with this feces! Does anybody have a stockpile of automatic weapons? We can take em! Just kidding but still. This is insane!
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  John JamesOctober 30, 2012 1:23 PM
  WCTV has articles of a ongoing trail from the tallyop stings, the article is refering Craigslist. The guy was found guilty but has not said how long.
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  Prince MachiavelliOctober 30, 2012 3:36 PM
  Here is the link....this makes me sick that it was an all female jury and that they never even listened to the guy
  
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 30, 2012 7:37 PM
  That jury was not a jury of his peers! All women! How many women think with their penis? Also, since the male officer was the one online then he should have been reading the emails! That trial sounded like a show which is a good prosecutorial tactic that should have been objected to by counsel! There should have been men on that jury!
  
  Also, that ad was mild compared to the ones here but still does not do away with the sexual topics and motives on Craigslist. Just the placement of the ad shows implied consent to have sex. Furthermore, what did the body of the ad say?
  
  I believe that the implantation occurred not only by placing the ad but also because the undercover said that "she" looked much older. Looked much older for what? What was the purpose of saying that? THE SAME PURPOSE IN PLACING THE AD: VIRTUE TESTING! COME SCREW ME MEN I AM DYING FOR IT AND I GOT A ROCKIN BODY!
  
  I highly doubt that teens are doing this in the record numbers being portrayed by these sting arrests. However, even if they are doing it "law enforcement" are NOT allowed to be engaged in VIRTUE TESTING! HARDLY ANY OF THESE MEN HAVE CRIMINAL RECORDS!
  
  This is the creation of crime and using the implied promise of sex (and in some cases the actual promise of sex) so is therefore illegal. However, because of the idea people are morally outraged! Speaking of "idea", even the idea is being implanted here because this man was not looking for a minor!
  
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 30, 2012 7:56 PM
  So what if your daughters want to get "railed"! They are not going to be innocent forever. My daughter is not doing this crap and if I found out she was I would beat her ass! These men aren't looking at "innocent children" nor are they even expecting them and that is exactly what they are NOT getting! They are getting blood thirsty, money hungry cops looking to make a dollar on "unclean thoughts" or merely the impression of it.
  
  Furthermore, I doubt that any of these guys actually believed that they were talking to a minor but because the "minor" said they wanted to give them a "rim job" they were just curious enough to check it out.
  
  This is NOT a fairy tale and curiosity should not kill the cat. So what if they did not stop talking, that does not give law enforcement the right to continue to egg on these guys just because they don't simply "run away"!
  
  "A normally-law-abiding person does not always take the high road in the face of pressures or inducements by the police or their agents. As Justice Frankfurter [once] observed . . . `Human nature is weak enough and sufficiently beset by temptations without government adding to them and generating crime.' [Citation.] The state ignores the purpose of the entrapment defense, which is to curb unsavory police conduct. Instead of focusing on the impermissible police conduct, the state chooses to blame [defendant] and to point out what he should have done differently. This argument is circuitous and leaves no situation where the defendant can assert entrapment as a defense."
  
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 30, 2012 8:00 PM
  OMG! You wanted to have sex with a teenager! Give me a break! Where does the word SLUT come into play? Where is the reality check that says these are NOT teens but COPS just trying to ruin men's lives merely for thinking something that was put in their heads?
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 30, 2012 8:33 PM
  Sounds to me like the real outrage here is that people use the internet to find sex and it makes it easier to cheat on their spouses. Someone wants to cheat on their spouse, they can just hide out and search for it on the internet right at home. Sounds to me like the cops are just mad because it is harder to blackmail a prostitute with crack to find sex then it is just to get on Craigslist.
  
  Get real people! If your children are not pretending to be adults looking for illegal sex then what minors are really being protected here? None! If the cops admit that they have never really seen any of this kind of activity that should be enough to throw the case out no matter if the guy believed it or not because it proves the creation of crime that does not exist. This is entrapment regardless of belief, intent, inducement, etc. simply because this crap does not happen. I think parents are just concerned that they might not be doing their jobs!
  
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 30, 2012 8:40 PM
  These kinds of stings have been performed on Plenty of Fish. Therefore, if this were to really happen that would mean that the teen would have to steal their parents credit cards and then the charge will show up on the account so how do they explain that? They can't and it proves that they are criminals and can't be trusted. Having said that, when a cop does it just to arrest an un-predisposed passerby it is also illegal and called objective/due process entrapment.
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  John JamesOctober 31, 2012 10:57 AM
  Florida Entrapment laws, Statutory Standards.
  The Florida entrapment statute requires a law enforcement officer or someone working in cooperation with law enforcement as an agent or informant, to induce criminal conduct. This must be done to gather evidence of the crime commited. When such agent or officer coerces or causes another person to commit a crime, or creates a situation with a substantial risk that a crime will be commited, entrapment is commited. When this happens, it is up to the defendant to show, by a preponderance of the evidence, that entrapment occured. If the defendant can show this, he or she must be acquitted of the crime.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 31, 2012 12:54 PM
  Yes we all know this but this is the SUBJECTIVE TEST as quoted at the top of the page. However, for some reason the courts will not rule (as the Aguirre and Grizzle case did) that if officers are posing as teens who pose as adults looking for sex, then it is inducement and it does create a substantial risk that an innocent person will "commit the crime". The courts are literally interpreting the entrapment statute where it says "ready to commit it" by abridging first amendment rights.
  
  Therefore, we have to turn to the OBJECTIVE TEST where inducement is irrelevant, focusing on the fact that without the government act there would have been no crime. Furthermore, the anonymity of the internet is protecting law enforcement who are creating crime by producing unlikely scenarios. Also, it has to be pointed out that the child solicitation statutes were never meant to be used this way and that it
  
  "confer[s] broad powers of censorship, in the form of a "heckler's veto," upon any opponent of indecent speech who might simply log on and inform the would be discoursers that his 17 year old child--a "specific person . . . under 18 years of age," 47 U. S. C. A. § 223(d)(1)(A) (Supp. 1997)--would be present."
  
  Law enforcement are doing nothing more than approaching un-predisposed passerby's that are already talking about sex and/or looking for sex and stating that they are a teen which implies that they are interested in sex because of where they are at: an ADULT website. This is VIRTUE TESTING and the creation of crime because without the "teen" pretending to be an adult looking for sex there would be no crime. This does not merely provide the opportunity to commit a crime but creates the crime itself because the "teen" is looking for sex and using such deception that makes it impossible to know if they are really a teen or not. i.e.
  
  I am originally saying that I am an adult interested in sex by accessing the adult content but now I am stating that I am a "child" but yet the other person is merely staring at a computer screen!
  
  If this were real life and men came across an actual teen trying to get them to have sex with her then they would tell her to get help and walk away. The fantasy defense does "hold water" when considered in the light of the surrounding circumstances and compared to actual, real life scenarios. Having said that, law enforcement have admitted that they have never come across these scenarios in real life so they are ultimately admitting to the creation of crime and virtue testing. Now we just have to get the FL courts to start ruling like the courts out west.
  
  The entrapment instruction IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL because it does not allow for OBJECTIVE ENTRAPMENT GUARANTEED BY THE CONSTITUTION!
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 31, 2012 7:34 PM
  How in the F*** can a jury find someone not guilty of solicitation and then find them guilty of traveling to meet a minor for sex!
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  devotedgfOctober 31, 2012 7:49 PM
  maybe because the traveling carries a higher sentence and they will still give the state exactly what they want it doesn't make any sense but then again none of this does
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 31, 2012 7:51 PM
  Was the jury instructed on entrapment?
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 31, 2012 7:55 PM
  If the jury was not instructed on entrapment then that is reversible error. Was there a motion to dismiss on objective entrapment filed?
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  aladdinOctober 31, 2012 9:36 PM
  His original solicitation charge was changed to unlawful use of a computer at some point and it was a hung jury on that charge, not acquittal, which should ultimately result in a mistrial. If it doesn't it'll make for one hell of an appeal especially if the judge issued an Allen instruction.
  
  His wife has been following this blog and I'm fairly sure she's been working closely with the attorney on her husband's defense. Their attorney did raise the entrapment defense so I would think the jury was instructed on entrapment.
  
  As of 2 weeks ago the state still had not turned evidence requested in a discovery motion so there's more potential for a mistrial.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 31, 2012 9:51 PM
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  John JamesNovember 1, 2012 6:38 AM
  according to the score sheet they carry the same sentence that i know of. i agree how can they charge with travling and innocent of soliciting, that does not make any sence at all. Talkinstang is right we should flood the DOJ email and get them to investigate what they created. it has gone way to far. Protect the children my ass they don't have the protection of any one in mind, just their jobs.
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  devotedgfOctober 31, 2012 8:07 PM
  I don't know I'm just sickened of all this it's a nightmare that no can wake up from I don't see how if it's a hung jury on one account but guilty on the other
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 31, 2012 9:52 PM
  Get your appeal going right away so he can get out on an appeal bond! You do have an appellate attorney right?
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comOctober 31, 2012 9:52 PM
  If you don't the court should appoint counsel for direct appeal.
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  John JamesNovember 1, 2012 8:11 AM
  One question i have is who solicited who? The one that post an ad in the realworld is soliciting and the one answers the ad is not. It is strange how the solicitor all of a sudden become the solicity.
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  aladdinNovember 2, 2012 8:46 PM
  Well I'm going to say something has had an effect. I'm not sure what because I haven't heard of any definitive victories yet but my faithful minions are telling me the nature of the ads placed on craigslist has changed. Apparently law enforcement has completely stopped posting any ads with an age and they have 'dumbed down' the language used in the ads. What that tells me is they had a problem convicting someone or several someones that answered an ad with an adult age posted. Has anybody heard of a victory on that basis?
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  aladdinNovember 4, 2012 9:43 AM
  Now I'm told the ages are back within a day of me posting this. Interesting.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 4, 2012 1:28 PM
  What do you mean the ages are back? Is there a sting going on right now? As I said, they don't really care what they post just as long as they can keep entrapping men so they have to keep changing the ads. The beauty of it is, nobody can really tell a sting ad from a regular ad which is the part of the whole point. Most of the time the only way to tell is to start a conversation and if all they want to talk about is sex and the age is under 18, then you know it's a sting.
  
  Speaking of, if all they want to talk about is sex then that says a lot about what their motives are during the sting. i.e. virtue testing.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 4, 2012 1:28 PM
  Oh, if there is a sting going on the take a snapshot of the ad and send it to us.
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  Let's be clear about one thing. I personally am not trolling the craigslist ads but I have friends that do and let me know what's going on. The general consensus is that there is some kind of operation going on right now. When I made the first post in this thread I did so because there wasn't a single w4m ad with a listed age in the Florida areas my friends were looking in.
  
  A day after I made that post EVERY w4m ad had an age listed. You had to go back to a time before I made that post to find any without an age listed.
  
  So......I made another post about the ages being listed and now surprise surprise I'm told the ads are running about 50/50 with respect to a listed age.
  
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 4, 2012 3:56 PM
  Ok, let's be clear about something else too. NOBODY is responding to ads on Craigslist that has been arrested in a sting. The people with Florida Scandal have not all been arrested.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 4, 2012 4:03 PM
  Let's be even more clear while we are at it: The person running this blog has not been arrested either.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 3, 2012 1:44 AM
  If the ads are changing it could simply be because of the ads posted here. Hopefully people are starting to figure out what is going on so they need to change their tactics to entrap more. Whether an adult age is posted or not, there is still an adult age assumed.
  
  1. The legal disclaimers on adult sites state the age of 18+.
  2. The ads posted posted on Craigslist state W4M (WOMAN for man) so this is still advertising a woman.
  3. No matter what the ads say, they are posted right next to sexually explicit ads on a sexually explicit site giving the implied interest in sex. Even using the implied interest in sex is still objective entrapment.
  
  If there are other versions of ads out there, then they should be posted here so send them in to us. I mean a picture of the actual ads because they look better and they "set the scene" so to speak since they plainly state "Craigslist > Personals > Casual Encounters" at the top. This shows the implied interest in sex and makes what the ads actually say less meaningful.
  
  The important thing here is the IMPLIED meaning and not how they decide to "mask it" just to APPEAR not to solicit men for sex. The implied meaning is more important here because the implied reason of answering an adult ad on Craigslist is for adult sex. The reasons for police posting ads is to entrap un-predisposed men using this implied reason which is nothing more than virtue testing. The former is illegal and the later is not.
  
  If police try to use the argument that they did not solicit sex and did not mention any sex is a weak argument and for all intents and purposes is irrelevant. The point is that when they actually do put an age and specifically advertise sex it only strengthens the defense.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 3, 2012 9:24 PM
  WILL SOMEONE PLEASE GET THE WORD OUT TO THE MEN JUST ARRESTED NOT TO WAIVE THEIR RIGHT TO A SPEEDY TRIAL!
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 4, 2012 1:55 AM
  I apologize for appearing to be so rude and forceful. I am just sick of these stings.
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  aladdinNovember 4, 2012 9:41 AM
  It's ok Due, we get it. The rest of us are sick of these stings too.
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  John JamesNovember 4, 2012 10:41 AM
  They are getting cared away with all this, the greed of money does it everytime. They don't care about their fellow citizens and their families, they are thinking of themselves not to mention the economy. If they would wake the F up and see what they are doing to us and the state they would end it.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 4, 2012 1:40 PM
  Yeah, and they think they know it all too! They think that just because they are law enforcement and tell someone they are underage then that is proof that the other person believed it simply because that's what they were told! Everyone should read the case of Reno v. ACLU where it talks about a "heckler's veto".
  
  The men being arrested should never admit that they believed they were talking to (or about) a minor. I think that the reason why some do "admit it" is because of the events that happen AFTER the initial contact on the adult website. Having said that, EVERYONE needs to realize that the media portrays one event when in fact there are two: 1) the fantasy internet conversation 2) the arranged meeting.
  
  As talknstang has said before: the entrapment occurs BEFORE the arranged meeting and the sequence of events that follow are nothing more than the "fruit of the poisonous tree".
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 5, 2012 6:35 PM
  EVERYONE NEEDS TO SIGN THIS PETITION AND GET EVERYONE THEY KNOW TO SIGN IT TOO:
  
  http://www.change.org/petitions/florida-gov-scott-dept-of-justice-us-congress-pres-of-the-us-pardon-all-people-arrested-and-covicted-of-internet-sex-stings?utm_campaign=petition_created_email&utm_medium=email&utm_source=guides
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 5, 2012 6:43 PM
  Oh yeah! Everyone should be trying to send in pictures of these "minors" that are used during the stings too.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 5, 2012 9:14 PM
  PLEASE GET SIGNATURES!!!!!!
  
  http://www.change.org/petitions/florida-gov-scott-dept-of-justice-us-congress-pres-of-the-us-pardon-all-people-arrested-and-covicted-of-internet-sex-stings?utm_campaign=petition_created_email&utm_medium=email&utm_source=guides
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 5, 2012 9:16 PM
  Should already have more than two!
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  Prince MachiavelliNovember 6, 2012 8:56 AM
  Tere is a possible sting going on in panama city. Someone created an ad stating they were 14 years old. VERY BOLD...the ad is below
  
  Abney Park - w4m - 14 (pcb)
  
  Date: 2012-11-06, 11:24AM EST
  
  Reply to this post hfwcb-3390566528@pers.craigslist.org
  
  so lets set up a meet up time where i can get out sometime at night and fuck i rly want ur cock panama city,
  
  : pcb it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
  
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 6, 2012 12:05 PM
  Man you should have gotten a picture of that one! I bet that ad was off quicker than it was put on. The "moral" of this story is that if teens were trying to have sex with adults then they would not get very far if they were being "honest" about it. The real sting ad is probably this one:
  
  seeking fun - w4m (panama city, fl)
  
  Smart girl with very hcute body wants smart guy who is in great shape for very active workout tonight at my place. Don't be scared, I won't bite... at first. Casual encounter only.
  
  
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  devotedgfNovember 7, 2012 8:04 AM
  Yes and it shows that craigslist is letting ads like this be posted something should also be done about craigslist allowing such postings since it is in their own terms and conditions to be 18+ and show proof that they are of legal age. Fdl is guilty of placing the ads but cl is also guilty of allowing it to happen.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 6, 2012 12:15 PM
  So far there are 12 supporters for the petition. We need to have 50 by the end of the week and yes we are working on it too. For every person that has signed it get someone else to sign it and so on. Here is the link again:
  
  http://www.change.org/petitions/florida-gov-scott-dept-of-justice-us-congress-pres-of-the-us-pardon-all-people-arrested-and-covicted-of-internet-sex-stings?utm_campaign=petition_created_email&utm_medium=email&utm_source=guides
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 6, 2012 5:17 PM
  Great job everyone! That's 16 so far so keep up the good work.
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  John JamesNovember 6, 2012 10:06 PM
  We have 22 supporters on the petition. Thanks to all that has signed and pass it along we need more, the more the better. Lets make a difference stand up for the guys that their lives have been ruined and let Florida hear us. We stand strong and our voice will be heard, be loud and clear. Lets shut this injustice down and take our rights back.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 8, 2012 2:04 PM
  44 supporters! Let's get that signed people! We need at least 6 more by tomorrow. Thanks!
  
  http://www.change.org/petitions/florida-gov-scott-dept-of-justice-us-congress-pres-of-the-us-pardon-all-people-arrested-and-covicted-of-internet-sex-stings?utm_campaign=petition_created_email&utm_medium=email&utm_source=guides
  
  
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 8, 2012 4:47 PM
  Great job everyone! Lets keep those signatures coming!
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  aladdinNovember 8, 2012 7:01 PM
  54 Supporters and counting!
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  john doeNovember 9, 2012 12:33 AM
  good job everyone!
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  John JamesNovember 9, 2012 2:43 PM
  71 and counting, we are almost there. Thanks to everyone that is in this fight, we will get heard soon. Keep the faith and believe in yourself the truth will set us free.
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  Brenda ForbesNovember 9, 2012 6:22 PM
  http://www.change.org/petitions/abolish-the-public-sex-offender-registry this is another petition going around to abolish the registry. lets sign and pass this on too
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 9, 2012 9:08 PM
  You heard her people! Let's sign this one too! We only need 100k signatures:
  
  http://www.change.org/petitions/abolish-the-public-sex-offender-registry
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 11, 2012 4:35 PM
  By the way, this is not a lot considering the amount of people on the internet everyday.
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  Brenda ForbesNovember 10, 2012 6:45 PM
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  his client, Ali Karapinar, who was one of
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  operation and charged with Soliciting a Minor
  for Sexual Activities. Randy prevailed with an
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  Brenda ForbesNovember 10, 2012 6:52 PM
  the above was on the cja newsletter, i put that on for those that were wondering who his attorney was and what grounds he was found not guilty
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 11, 2012 5:39 PM
  LISTEN UP! We only need 14 more so everyone that has signed needs to get one other person to sign!
  
  http://www.change.org/petitions/florida-gov-scott-dept-of-justice-us-congress-pres-of-the-us-pardon-all-people-arrested-and-covicted-of-internet-sex-stings?utm_campaign=petition_created_email&utm_medium=email&utm_source=guides
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  John JamesNovember 12, 2012 6:56 AM
  We are down to the wire, 11 more to go. Thanks for all the hard work.
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  devotedgfNovember 12, 2012 3:03 PM
  Now only 8 more to go everyone. We are getting there
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  aladdinNovember 12, 2012 5:53 PM
  Only seven more needed now!
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 12, 2012 9:46 PM
  Check out this "Joe" guy trying to make it sound like it's the men that get arrested who are at fault instead of the police and he is a SO:
  
  http://www.joetheso.com/you-gotta-stop/comment-page-1/#comment-2112
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  Talkn StangNovember 12, 2012 10:02 PM
  he is referring to men who are into child porn and download it, not these Florida stings.....nobody should download child porn of course
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 12, 2012 10:06 PM
  Read the whole thing dude! He mentions a guy arrested in a sting and he tells men to stop looking for children to talk to online!
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 12, 2012 10:07 PM
  Even the sex offenders are fooled!!!!!!!!!
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  Talkn StangNovember 12, 2012 10:23 PM
  this article is interesting regarding online solicitations. Of course there is no mention of Craigslist being used as a source for child solicitation....Dont tell that to the state of Florida
  
  http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/121/2/e350.full
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 12, 2012 10:28 PM
  Interesting indeed since it says that there is no real internet threat!
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 13, 2012 6:47 PM
  Wow! This is crazy!
  
  http://amanpour.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/05/11-year-old-girl-married-to-40-year-old-man/
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  John JamesNovember 14, 2012 12:59 PM
  we only need 5 more people to sign the petition and it will be done so we can move on with it. Pass it around people 5 more lets get it done.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 14, 2012 5:47 PM
  I was not surprised when I found out that Florida was one of the states to petition the government for succession from the union.
  
  http://news.msn.com/politics/seven-states-qualify-for-secession-response-from-white-house-3
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 14, 2012 7:06 PM
  I would like to thank everyone for all the hard work they are putting in and to keep in mind that America really does have the best judicial system in the world. Keep your heads up!
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  Talkn StangNovember 14, 2012 11:18 PM
  Yea, but Tallahassee isnt part of America is it? lol
  
  Anyway, i am going to post some of my findings for 2012
  
  Number of child sex stings so far - 14
  Number of men arrested - 346
  
  Alarming stat - the largest metropolitan area with the largest population in the state, Dade County, has had no stings operations. Apparently Dade county doesnt want to play by Judds rules. Either that or there are no pedophiles in Dade county. Very interesting! Also, links that contain useful information for us are beginning to disappear from the internet. If anyone finds information that was accidentally reported, save it and print it out. I have found several sites that have been deleting sting information altogether. This is very interesting as well
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  aladdinNovember 15, 2012 1:06 PM
  I hadn't realized information was already disappearing but I had worried about it enough that I had already started trying to capture important information to PDF's. For those that don't know Google Chrome has the ability to create PDF's built in. Just Print and set the destination to "Save as PDF file" and instant PDF.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 15, 2012 7:30 AM
  THE PETITION IS DONE!!!!!! THANKS EVERYONE FOR SIGNING!!!!
  
  http://www.change.org/petitions/florida-gov-scott-dept-of-justice-us-congress-pres-of-the-us-pardon-all-people-arrested-and-covicted-of-internet-sex-stings?utm_campaign=petition_created_email&utm_medium=email&utm_source=guides
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 15, 2012 8:00 AM
  People are taking up arms and killing sex offenders!!!!! Well now we need to "take up arms" and find some dirty police officers and politicians to "take out"! The real criminals are the ones without records and in positions of power. Power of the pen people! Power of the pen!
  
  http://www.usafair.org/?utm_campaign=under_attack&recruiter_id=344&utm_medium=email&utm_source=usafair
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 15, 2012 8:04 AM
  ALL SEX OFFENDERS SHOULD BE AFRAID FOR THIER LIVES!!! The ACLU wanted a good reason to declare the registry unconstitutional so now they got one!!!! How many other creeps are out there with guns! Should the sex offenders be afraid to go to the grocery store or cut their lawn?
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 15, 2012 9:21 AM
  We need more pictures! Everyone please send in your "teen" mugshots.
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  Talkn StangNovember 15, 2012 10:12 AM
  Talk to me Miami-Dade county, tell me why you dont have any of Judds stings in your county? your population is over 2.5 million. inquiring minds want to know. You have some useful information that we could use to put an end to these stings and we want to know what it is!
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 15, 2012 10:15 AM
  Yeah, and tell us why you are a member of The South Florida Internet Crime Against Children Task Force but do not participate? Tell us why no sting ads are posted on Craigslist in Dade County? Tell us why nobody is arrested from Dade County?
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 15, 2012 10:16 AM
  Tell us why Key West does not participate either?
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 16, 2012 5:29 AM
  OMG!!!! Here is a sting done right! We have been saying it all along that FACEBOOK IS CHILD PREDATOR GROUNDS and NOT THE ADULT SECTION OF CRAIGSLIST or any other adult website.
  
  http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_polk/winter_haven/out-of-state-youth-hockey-coach-accused-of-soliciting-polk-county-boys-for-sex
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 16, 2012 5:37 AM
  Grady Judd just made himself look really bad with the illegal stings!
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 16, 2012 9:21 PM
  Our sources say that this article is probably lying. Here is probably the truth:
  
  That guy was a youth hockey coach that recruited players from other states. He got on Facebook and asked the two teens for photos to see what build they are because they played hockey. They were kind of freaked out that a stranger wanted their photos so they told their mom. The mom's then freaked out and told Polk County. After Polk County got involved that is when it got out of control and probably started with the sexual innuendos.
  
  This was more than likely just another set up that arose out of a misunderstanding. This was more than likely another free speech violation and the guy never wanted to have sex with them, he just wanted them to play hockey. This guy was more than likely using hockey to get the teens to come and play it and not like Shady Grady stated that he used sports to molest children.
  
  Therefore, since the media and law enforcement have been known to "lie", the statement above is now recanted. This man was more than likely not trolling Facebook for victims, just for hockey players and Polk County threw sex into the mix. He was targeted because of the simple fact that he was a youth hockey coach and not a child predator.
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  First clue - Polk County
  Second Clue - Grady Judd
  Third Clue - No mention of federal involvement
  
  If true this would clearly be a federal case and arrest, not a Grady Judd special. In order to coordinate across state lines like this there has to be an Interstate Compact in place first. That means the feds were notified the compact was requested because of an Internet Crime Against Children which in turn means automatic federal review.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 17, 2012 12:38 AM
  GOOD ANSWER!
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 16, 2012 5:45 AM
  Weed is now legal in CO and WA!!!!
  
  http://smallbusiness.jdsupra.com/post/firing-up-on-the-job-can-still-get-you-fired-what-new-marijuana-laws-mean-for-employers
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  John JamesNovember 16, 2012 8:17 PM
  Check this out. WCTV giving out safety tips for Craigslist.
  Ant that a hoot. I guess that is their way to get the truth out. do ya think?
  
  wctv.tv/home/headlines/Safety-Tips-for-Craigslist-179763261
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  John JamesNovember 16, 2012 9:25 PM
  Try this for Safety tips for Craigslist.
  
  bit.ly/ZKYQbr
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 16, 2012 9:29 PM
  I am not sure what the purpose of that was because all of that is common sense. If the men arrested in stings used these tips then nobody would be getting arrested because the men are doing everything on law enforcement's terms and not their own.
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  aladdinNovember 17, 2012 12:25 AM
  Trust me on this one it none of that will do you a damn bit of good.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 17, 2012 12:34 AM
  Yeah, I know but I was simply stating that IF it really worked.
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  Brenda ForbesNovember 16, 2012 10:57 PM
  even if everyone had read that first it still would not change the illegal ways they do these stings. really, bring your phone? that will stop you from being arested, not. call the cops, sure oh your already talking to them. it didnt help in the case when one of the men reported the sting to craigslist and only got the address to make sure the child was not in danger. he is still going to prison. this is craigslist's way of putting a disclaimer out there to try to keep themself out of legal trouble. john james you are on the right track and keep finding and looking for everything you can. everyones participation is greatly appreciated.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 21, 2012 6:49 PM
  Have a happy Thanksgiving everyone! I know at this point it might be a little hard to but try to enjoy it.
  
  Here is something that will put everyone in a better mood:
  
  http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2012121129928
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 23, 2012 5:01 PM
  EVERYONE NEEDS TO READ THESE:
  
  http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57552225-38/senate-bill-rewrite-lets-feds-read-your-e-mail-without-warrants/
  
  http://www.infowars.com/mandatory-big-brother-black-boxes-in-all-new-cars-from-2015/
  
  If I buy a car with a black box in it, I am ripping it out! If I have the government reading my emails, then I am going to write a virus to crash their systems!
  
  The government has no right to do this so what the hell are people thinking? It's time to start putting up our middle fingers to the government and not follow their unconstitutional laws and practices.
  
  The Supreme Court already said that cars could not be randomly tracked with GPS so what the hell is everyone on Capitol Hill thinking? As far as the email thing, when you encrypt your files you can allow the decryption of it (if not decrypted from a recognized location) to release a worm to crash their systems and erase the data THEY STOLE WITHOUT A WARRANT!
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  aladdinNovember 23, 2012 5:50 PM
  I just want to scream. I would write more but since I must assume everything I do is now monitored I'll be a good little drone, keep my mouth shut and my thoughts to myself until such time as they can be unleashed.
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  There are no "drones" here, at least I hope not. We need to get a couple of cops on our side. They are human too and we know that not all of them support these stings. Furthermore, and most importantly, not all of them support violating the constitution just to keep their jobs.
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  Due you are right not all cops are bad and support what is going on, but on the other hand if we had support from some of the good cops their jobs may be on the line if they get found out. There are many in the law enforcement that don't like this kind of unlawful behavier, but they have to do their job as instructed right or wrong. which is sad for the non believers of this type of police work and the violation of rights and constitution. I am sure there are some that will fight with us if they find out we are looking for their support.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 25, 2012 7:36 AM
  Are the feds preparing for civil war?
  
  http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/11/25/infographic-are-the-feds-preparing-for-civil-war/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+pakalert+%28Pak+Alert+Press%29
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comNovember 30, 2012 7:00 PM
  http://www2.tbo.com/news/breaking-news/2012/nov/28/teen-testifies-in-sex-trial-of-former-hillsborough-ar-578185/
  
  http://www.theledger.com/article/20121129/NEWS/121129251?p=2&tc=pg&tc=ar
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comDecember 1, 2012 5:51 PM
  WE NEED UPDATES!!!! How many cases do we have pending right now? What is going on behind "closed doors"? We have a another case dropped and it's not even posted! What is up with that?
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  Prince MachiavelliDecember 3, 2012 7:29 AM
  Well, my case is still waiting for a deposition from the cop who did the sting, and then hopefully it will gwt dropped. Did one get dropped? Who, when,what why?
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comDecember 2, 2012 7:20 AM
  The race for funding just like we said! Due process violations all across the board and not just with internet sex stings.
  
  http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/2008/03/operation-byrne-blitz-makes-explicit.html
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  devotedgfDecember 3, 2012 5:25 PM
  http://www.rocketlawyer.com heres something else that might benefit a few people
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  Talkn StangDecember 4, 2012 11:16 AM
  heres another article i found showing motive as to why they are performing these stings. This gives us an explanation regarding funding using the Edward Byrnes Memorial Justice Assistance Grant. There is no doubt that law enforcement are using the number of arrests and public sentiment to bolster support for continued funding. You combine that with the fact that they stated in an article, "There was no particular reason for launching the investigation last week. It was just an opportune time to coordinate the operation, Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Williams said at the press conference", there leaves little doubt about what the true reasoning is behind these stings. Its all about the BENJAMINS.
  
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  Talkn StangDecember 4, 2012 11:22 AM
  Ryu Nolin was the recent case that was thrown out. He was arrested on the 13th of January and it was dismissed on 21 November. Great job Gary! I wish we knew more about his approach, but the information is public now.
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  Talkn StangDecember 4, 2012 11:29 AM
  Heres some info regarding appellate bonds since i am going through the process and the info out there is very vague. If your case is on appeal, or at your sentencing, you can ask the judge for a bond in a written motion. It is at his discretion to either grant or deny it, but if you qualify for the bond, then there is no reason for him to deny it as he did in my case. So i appealed his decision and the DCA remanded it back to the judge where i am waiting for it now. If you have a strong case and want to stay your sentence, i would suggest take this route! As i get more info on this, i will let you know. I am not aware of anyone else trying this as of yet and the online info is a bit confusing
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comDecember 7, 2012 8:41 PM
  http://amotionforinnocence.wordpress.com/2012/12/03/very-nice-your-honor/
  
  BIG DEAL!!! WE NEED MORE JUDGES LOOKING AT HARDCORE PORN!!! IN FACT, WE NEED THEM TO BE HEARING THESE STING CASES!!!!
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comDecember 7, 2012 8:45 PM
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn5nEFYy3RA&feature=youtu.be
  
  WHERE IS THE JUSTICE FOR THE OTHER CITIZENS!?
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  devotedgfDecember 8, 2012 5:55 PM
  Harding Papaers
  21. "Supreme Court. Court says imaginary crime can't end in real conviction. Police stings based on imaginary goods yield imaginary evidence the Supreme Court says." Tallahassee...
  http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/library/ArchivesInventory2012/Harding_Papers_Inventory.doc
  
  
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comDecember 9, 2012 4:41 PM
  It seems as though the issues of law for the internet stings have already been addressed by the Supreme Court.
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  devotedgfDecember 8, 2012 9:31 AM
  I found this but it is saying no matches found I can't figure out how to go about finding out more information on the Harding Papaers
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  John JamesDecember 9, 2012 11:36 AM
  Looks as if they already covered this up.
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  devotedgfDecember 9, 2012 3:02 PM
  they did something but I am still looking into it as well.
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  congrats to Gary Schwartz http://beforeitsnews.com/press-releases/2012/12/orlando-criminal-defense-lawyer-gary-schwartz-receives-avvo-client-choice-award-2658368.html
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  devotedgfDecember 9, 2012 6:08 PM
  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1638561/posts
  
  heres something else to look into if you have more resources to go by.
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  devotedgfDecember 9, 2012 6:16 PM
  http://www.supremecourt.gov
  
  this is another site im searching in for cases and rulings from the supreme court but a lot of information to go threw
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  aladdinDecember 10, 2012 11:27 AM
  President Obama signed the Child Protection Act of 2012 into law Dec 7, 2012. The act doubles the funding for ICAC training and guarantees funding of ICAC task force grant money through 2018 at $60,000,000.00 per year.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comDecember 10, 2012 4:43 PM
  Well that is just great Obama! I used to like you too! How are you going to approve a law that appropriates more funds to an organization that numerous people have called you and complained about?
  
  Check this out too:
  
  http://sexoffenderissues.blogspot.com/2012/08/recent-studies-show-that-98-of-people.html#.UMZ6LjnA9US
  
  
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comDecember 14, 2012 8:49 PM
  What's everyone up to? How is everyone doing?
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  John JamesDecember 14, 2012 9:00 PM
  check these out
  
  sexofenderissues.blogspot.com/2012/11/dc-feds-overstep-in-key-effort.html
  
  sexoffenderissues.blogspot.com/2012/12/wa-washington-abandons-internet-sex.html
  
  let me know if they don't work.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comDecember 14, 2012 9:17 PM
  They don't work. Try posting the whole url.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comDecember 14, 2012 9:19 PM
  well the second one worked. Imagine that, Backpage (which has been used in internet stings) filed the lawsuit.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comDecember 14, 2012 9:20 PM
  Craigslist should be next!
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  John JamesDecember 14, 2012 11:54 PM
  Not sure why both of them will not open. You may be able to access them on sex offender issues blog.
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  aladdinDecember 15, 2012 9:32 PM
  The first one isn't working because it's missing an 'f' in offender. It should be:
  
  sexoffenderissues.blogspot.com/2012/11/dc-feds-overstep-in-key-effort.html
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  vannahlynnDecember 14, 2012 9:41 PM
  my husband is the one whoms case had the hung jury we go to have his motion hearing on thursday for a mistrial ruling if it is denied he goes straight to sentencing . can anyone tell me how can you be guilty of traveling if your not found guilty of soliciting how is this not an automatic mistrial .yes to comment to due process i am working very closely with our attorney to try and make it happen please pray for justice none of this is right.
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  John JamesDecember 14, 2012 11:51 PM
  I have heard of your husbands case. It does not make any since on traveling charges without soliciting. According to my lawyer you got to have communication before you travel. If the judge is that ignorant then he/she should not be a judge. There is something wrong with all these cases and we are working on a solution. Your lawyer should be fighting that hard. Have your lawyer look at Ryu Nolin's case. You can find it in the Oceola County public records. There may be some help there.
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  aladdinDecember 15, 2012 9:39 PM
  I don't understand your husband's case at all. There was so much wrong before the trial with discovery and such and then the hung jury how could it not be a mistrial?
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  you would think it would be an automatic mistrial with out question its all ridiculous
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comDecember 15, 2012 5:55 PM
  There is evidence that is in our hands that WILL NOT and CANNOT be posted here. This evidence is good, has worked, and that is all you need to know.
  
  Email us for the evidence.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comDecember 16, 2012 1:20 PM
  A guy's case that was dropped came forward since the time period to reinitiate charges has passed.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comDecember 16, 2012 1:55 PM
  Stand tall, be assertive, and don't give up everyone!
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comDecember 17, 2012 10:49 PM
  If an undercover officer walks up to a random person and asks them if they want to buy drugs and the other person starts asking questions about the drugs, then this does not say ANYTHING about criminal intent or predisposition. The person could ask what kind of drugs they are, how much the drugs cost, how much the drugs weigh, and even when and where to buy the drugs. They could even say that the drugs looked really good. EVERYTHING could be arranged and could be carried out according to plan but until the drugs exchange hands, there is no crime. Even if the suspect shows the undercover the money, there is no crime without the suspect actually buying it.
  
  If the temptation becomes too overwhelming because the marijuana or cocaine looks and smells really good and the person buys it anyway after some deliberation, then the undercover better be able to prove that he had the reasonable suspicion to target that person where he/she targeted them. If the person "shows predisposition" during initial contact then they have available to them the objective entrapment defense (even if they have a similar prior offense that is not recent) such as the cases of Beattie v. State and Farley v. State. If the person shows no predisposition then they have the subjective entrapment defense at their disposal. LAW ENFORCEMENT ARE CHARGED WITH THE TASK OF DETECTING, NOT CREATING CRIME FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF PUNISHING IT’S CREATURE, THE CRIMINAL. Law enforcement also CANNOT use the expressed or even IMPLIED interest in sex to get someone to “buy drugs”.
  
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comDecember 17, 2012 11:10 PM
  We are obviously not talking about drugs here. The government claims that internet sex stings are "pro-active law enforcement" in an effort to keep a child from being "victimized". However, the only thing they are using to arrest these men are their words and they use these words to encourage the "commission of a crime" with the expressed or implied interest in sex. This kind of encouragement is illegal and this promise of sex is made even before the men "know" they are communicating with a "minor". Therefore, the trap of injustice is already set and sprung before the men even know what's going on making the age irrelevant and consensual sex is the controlling factor. Finally, since there is not an actual "victim" that is standing in front of them begging them for sex "rubbing their egos", nobody knows if they will really go through with it. The truth is that one day they might have sex with the "horny teen", and a different day they might not. THIS IS THE PRINCIPLE OF VIRTUE TESTING AND IT IS NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT. Law enforcement using the law of probability and the natural physiology of man to exploit them and make arrests is NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comDecember 17, 2012 11:24 PM
  One day they might "buy the drugs" and another day they might not.
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  vannahlynnDecember 20, 2012 3:02 PM
  so my husbands motion was shot down i believe with extreme prejudice he was sentenced to 36 months in prison and 5 years sex offender probation an appeal is in the works as we speak as our attorney said we should have gotten a retrial . the judge would not do a downward departure because of the age of the victim eve though it was argued that there was no victim he takede on sex offender probation even though he flat out said in court that it wasnt manadatory but that everyone else was getting it so he was moved to stick with it. this whole thing was a croc of shit. before our lawyer even spoke on the motion he said that we are are to sentence robert stewart but first we have some business to take care of he was never going to give that motion the time of day . if it had been any othe type of case it would have been a mistrial.
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  Prince MachiavelliDecember 20, 2012 4:29 PM
  that is a crock of S***. I hope an appeals judge will think the same thing. My case is still pending and all I did was send emails. I hope that your husbands case set a precedence for mine and the solicitation charge will be dropped. My hopes and prayers are with you.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comDecember 20, 2012 6:20 PM
  Well you can get him out on on appellate bond so he does not have to sit in there while the appeal is pending. So be sure the attorney is working on that. Don't let anyone lie to you and say that he has to sit in there. This is not legal advice.
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  Prince MachiavelliDecember 20, 2012 4:19 PM
  STING HAPPENING IN BAY COUNTY/PANAMA CITY RIGHT NOW ad is below
  Schools closed!!! - w4m (panama city, FL)
  Date: 2012-12-20, 6:38PM EST
  bzrrm-3492344948@pers.craigslist.org
  
  any other kids off and bored? i suddenly am alone and was looking for my age or younger to play with now!
  
  Location: panama city, FL
  it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
  
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comDecember 20, 2012 6:17 PM
  Well that ad is not posted anymore and it's probably because it got flagged because it's obviously "a teen" who is not supposed to be on there. The following is probably the new ad. Sorry for the obscenity but that's what you get with that sextion of Craigslist. This ad is targeting older men and women ("big girls") which is weird so it very well could be a sting:
  
  older guys who want there Dick sucked good - w4m
  
  Date: 2012-12-20, 12:31PM EST
  Reply to this post 6mmvw-3491466342@pers.craigslist.org
  
  Serious only.
  Let me suck your Dick while you play in my pussy. Today .
  Big girls come get your pussy licked
  
  it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
  
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comDecember 23, 2012 2:14 PM
  In this situation, you are not saying that you believed this "girl" was 15. You are not admitting anything to do with a minor. The only thing that you are admitting to are the UNDISPUTED FACTS/EVIDENCE. The evidence SUGGESTS (and that's all it does) that you solicited an underage girl. What you are saying is that yes the evidence might SUGGEST THAT but the reasons WHY the evidence "suggests" that is because you intended on conversing with an adult. Therefore, sure you solicited this person for sex but this person was wanting you to solicit "her" and this person was someone that you expected to be an adult. The undisputed facts also prove that this "girl" was really an undercover officer that SOLICITED YOU FIRST WITH THE AD and AT NO TIME was there any minor. The undercover officer just arbitrarily stated that they were a minor just to arrest you for "indecent speech" and used sex just to get you intrigued enough to seek them out so they could make that arrest.
  
  Just because the officer said that they were underage does not mean that you actually believed it and the totality of the circumstances (like being on an adult website where men look for sexual encounters) prove that there was no reason for you to believe that it was a minor. The totality of the circumstances prove that you were not even looking for a minor in the first place and did not even find one when you responded to the ad because the ad was posted as an adult. The totality of the circumstance also prove that you were prepared to visit ANYONE'S HOUSE for the purpose of a consensual sexual encounter and this age (that was more than likely a lie to you) was irrelevant. You were expecting an adult when you answered the ad and you were already prepared to go over there before any age was mentioned or any conversation had started.
  
  OBJECTIVE ENTRAPMENT due to virtue testing (using sex to get you to "commit a crime"), random targeting, and the "minor" pretending to be an adult but then expected you to believe "her" simply by her stating that she was 15. Sure you wanted to get laid, but this "minor" also wanted you "to have sex with her" just to arrest you for indecent speech. All of these actions by police prove nothing more than the infringement of your constitutional rights and of course you showed up to meet a woman that either expressly or implicitly used sex just to get you to APPEAR to take the bait.
  
  The case law on here talks about a "heckler's veto" and that is all this situation is. Law enforcement used the fact that you were looking for sex against you by arbitrarily stating they were underage, after they already agreed that they were an adult by posting the ad. This kind of deception is illegal and using your words against you in this scenario is a violation of free speech.
  
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comDecember 24, 2012 9:04 PM
  HAVE A MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!!! Remember, the government is having a merry Christmas at your expense but NOT FOR LONG!!!!
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  Talkn StangDecember 27, 2012 11:34 AM
  the sweet smell of a mini-victory of sorts. My appellate bond has finally been granted and my sentence will be suspended. I think there are many cases similar to mine that have the same ability to obtain this bond. It is important that it is done properly if you want to stay your sentence while on appeal.There is hope people, and it is just going to get better from here. I will prepare an outline of what needs to happen if you qualify for a bond because the process is confusing. Now that we know what it is, we can streamline it. NEVER GIVE UP< FIGHT FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comDecember 28, 2012 9:32 PM
  Case: State v. Duke, 23 FLW D835, 5TH DCA
  
  Date: April 3, 1998
  
  FACTS: An undercover detective, assigned to the Orange County Sex Crimes Unit, was on the Internet looking for child molesters. The detective took on the persona of a 12-year-old girl using the named "Niki 012" from Orlando. The defendant and "Niki" met in a chat room. They discussed participating in various sexual acts in explicit terms. "Niki" told the defendant that her mother would be away from home one night and that he should come over. He was told to flash his car lights so "Niki" would recognize the car. The plan was that she would take him to her home and they would engage in various sex acts. As soon as the defendant arrived in the parking lot and flashed his lights, he was arrested. The state charged him with Attempted Sexual Battery On a Child.
  
  RULING: The appellate court ruled that the defendant's conduct was insufficient to obtain a conviction of Attempted Sexual Battery on a child. In order to prove an attempt crime, some overt act must take place in furtherance of committing the crime. This means that the defendant has to do something beyond mere preparation. The court found that the defendant's acts fell into the category of preparation and not an overt act that would lead to the commission of the sexual battery. They ordered the defendant be acquitted of the charge.
  
  NOTE: Florida prohibits the use of a computer to solicit sex from a minor or from a person believed to be a minor. Florida Statute 847.0135(3). The defendant in this case could have been convicted under this particular charge.
  
  For Further Information Contact:
  Steve Brady
  Regional Legal Advisor
  Florida Department of Law Enforcement
  Orlando Regional Operations Center
  
  http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/Content/getdoc/b8e36aaa-f636-455d-8dbd-c9ad5c63f64a/98-05--Soliciting-Sex-Over-the-Internet---Attempte.aspx
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comDecember 31, 2012 9:31 PM
  HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!! That includes "law enforcement" too!
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 3, 2013 8:10 PM
  PLEASE READ THIS ABOUT THE FBI ENTRAPPING PEOPLE TO CALL THEM TERRORISTS.
  
  http://americanfreepress.net/?p=6909
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 9, 2013 10:32 AM
  Comment post at
  
  http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/_Arrest_of_34_Men_in_Sting_Operation_132047658.html
  
  Wow! ANOTHER ONE CONVICTED! Are any of the people that condone these illegal internet stings high school graduates? Do any of you know how to read?
  
  
  
  Who cares if the "cop" said they were a teen because I sure don't. This alleged teen was posing as an adult and in fact was an adult. An "adult" that likes to point fingers at
  someone else because they think it's "law enforcement" to talk someone into a "crime" that they had no intentions of committing. This kind of encouragement is entrapment, specifically known as objective entrapment. Law enforcement are charged with the duty of detecting, not creating crime. Furthermore, the statutes on child solicitation are unconstitutional.
  
  
  
  Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union, 521 U.S. 844 (1997)
  
  
  
  The Government's assertion that the knowledge requirement somehow protects the communications of adults is therefore untenable. Even the strongest reading of the "specific person" requirement of § 223(d) cannot save the statute. It would confer
  broad powers of censorship, in the form of a "heckler's veto," upon any opponent of indecent speech who might simply log on and inform the would be discoursers that his 17 year old child--a "specific person . . . under 18 years of age," 47 U. S. C. A. § 223(d)(1)(A) (Supp. 1997)--would be present.
  
  
  
  So these men are told they are "communicating with a horny teen" THAT LOOKS LIKE AN ADULT. So what! This is called a "heckler's veto" meant to arrest someone for a dirty mind and nothing else! These men were induced to seek out "these minors" and their first amendment rights were violated. I don't care if YOU THINK their THOUGHTS were about having sex with a "minor"; IT IS STILL THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO DO SO. THINKING IS NOT A CRIME!
  
  
  
  What is a crime is to approach an UN-PREDISPOSED person, pretend to be an adult, offer something legal that the person is looking for (sex in this case), and then make any speech related to that offer "illegal" BY MERELY STATING THAT "THEY ARE
  UNDERAGE"!
  
  
  
  THE CRIME IS CALLED OBJECTIVE ENTRAPMENT AND EGREGIOUS GOVERNMENT CONDUCT!
  
  
  
  State v. Banks, 499 So.2d 894 (Fla. 5th DCA 1986)
  
  
  
  When law enforcement agencies utilise confidential informants who use sex, or the express or implied promise thereof, to obtain contraband the defendant did not already possess, there is no way for the courts or anyone else to determine whether such inducement served only to uncover an existing propensity or created a new one. This violates the threshold objective test.
  
  
  
  Curry v. State, 876 So.2d 29 (Fla. 4th DCA 2004)
  
  
  
  In the case at bar, the state argues that entrapment was not established because
  there was no evidence of inducement. The state further contends that the three
  step test utilized in a subjective entrapment analysis is applicable. However, as discussed above, the two theories of entrapment are distinct. The state's analysis is misguided and has no bearing on the issue of objective entrapment.
  
  
  
  The facts of this case are akin to those in Farley and Finno in that there is no indication Curry was involved with any criminal undertaking prior to the involvement of law enforcement.
  
  Please read the cases and the ADULT ADS USED IN THE STINGS at http://floridascandal.blogspot... and STOP BEING SUCH DUMB*****. THESE STINGS ARE CLEARLY THE CREATION OF "CRIME" AND "LAW ENFORCEMENT" ARE CLEARLY USING LEGAL SEX TO DO IT!
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 10, 2013 9:53 AM
  Sherman v. United States, 356 U.S. 369 (1958)
  
  Entrapment occurs only when the criminal conduct was "the product of the creative activity" of law enforcement officials.
  
  In Sorrells v. United States, 287 U. S. 435, this Court firmly recognized the defense of entrapment in the federal courts. The intervening years have in no way detracted from the principles underlying that decision. The function of law enforcement is the prevention of crime and the apprehension of criminals. Manifestly, that function does not include the manufacturing of crime. Criminal activity is such that stealth and strategy are necessary weapons in the arsenal of the police officer. However,
  "A different question is presented when the criminal design originates with the officials of the government, and they implant in the mind of an innocent person the disposition to commit the alleged offense and induce its commission in order that they may prosecute."
  
  …But to look to a statute for guidance in the application of a policy not remotely within the contemplation of Congress at the time of its enactment is to distort analysis. It is to run the risk, furthermore, that the court will shirk the responsibility that is necessarily in its keeping, if Congress is truly silent, to accommodate the dangers of overzealous law enforcement and civilized methods adequate to counter the ingenuity of modern criminals. The reasons that actually underlie the defense of entrapment can too easily be lost sight of in the pursuit of a wholly fictitious congressional intent.
  
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 10, 2013 9:56 AM
  THIS IS WHAT IS GOING ON PEOPLE! THE COURTS ARE LETTING THE PUBLIC DECIDE THESE MEN'S FATES BUT IT IS THEIR DUTY TO RULE THAT THE POLICE CONDUCT AT ISSUE VIOLATES DUE PROCESS.
  
  
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 10, 2013 10:22 AM
  They keep deleting that comment and other comments from others as well. Therefore, the answer that everyone is looking for is just like we have been saying all along: OBJECTIVE ENTRAPMENT. This is what they are trying to hide!
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 10, 2013 10:25 AM
  THIS IS A CONSPIRACY! THE COURTS AND EVERYONE ELSE KNOWS THAT IT IS OBJECTIVE ENTRAPMENT!
  
  They just don't care because of what these men are being accused of!
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 10, 2013 10:42 AM
  Motivational music for everyone:
  
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 10, 2013 10:42 AM
  They're the ones going down! We're not running!
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  scaredmommaJanuary 10, 2013 6:24 PM
  we went for pre trial today,our attorney asked inlate december for a short continuance,of course it was denied,so today we are at the court for thr pretrial.low and behold kathy ray -states prosicutor needs a continuance til late february,she got it,her excuse -her only witness was not available,without that cop witness she says she cant go to trial.in other words without him ,there isnt any evidence,humm,sounds like crap and gonna be lying threw his teeth too im sure.i just hope our attorney gets a good break soon.also just so you all know ,public defender blair boyd no longer works for the public defenders office,he left this week,im thankful we got rid of him when we did.i feel bad for anyone here that had him,he left them hanging.the other public defenders were sure scrambling to take up his slack today.hopefully the whole mess will be over this year for all of us,before our families are totally devastated and ruined financially.
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What happened to Boyd?

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 13, 2013 at 11:05 AM

Here is an EXAMPLE that will put things into perspective about how these stings can and do induce men to "commit crimes". Check out the Poehlman case as well which is where one of these citations comes from. Even though Poehlman is not binding precedent, it does cite the binding precedent herein. (https://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F3/217/217.F3d.692.98-50631.html)

INTRODUCTION

While the facts of this case might suggest that a violation of the statutes the Defendant was charged with has occurred, the totality of the circumstances proves otherwise. The undisputed facts are clear that yes it appears as though the Defendant was interested in sex with a fictitious minor but the reason for this appearance of unlawful behaviour is because the law enforcement agency performing the sting used illegal tactics. Also, it appears as though inducement my not be present in the evidence on record but this is only because the sheriff's office selected not only an unlikely internet website in which to catch "child predators" but also because they knew this medium allowed them to secretly use the implied interest in sex to arouse the interest of the Defendant before he "knew" who he was actually talking to (due to the anonymity of the internet) just to arrest him for perfectly legal behaviour by violating his first amendment rights. 

An `inducement' consists of an `opportunity' plus something else--typically, excessive pressure by the government upon the defendant or the government's taking advantage of an alternative, non-criminal type of motive. " United States v. Gendron, 18 F.3d 955, 961 (1st Cir. 1994) (quoting Jacobson, 503 U.S. at 550), taken from United States vs. Poehlman, 217 F.3d 692 (9th Cir. 2000).

The Defendant had no intentions to interact with a minor and everything that he has been accused of is a mere result of the implantation and criminal design of the undercover operation as well as the government skilfully taking advantage of the sexual nature of the adult website and creating the crime. 

When the criminal design originates, not with the accused, but is conceived in the mind of the government officers, and the accused is by persuasion, deceitful representation, or inducement lured into the commission of a criminal act, the government is estopped by sound public policy from prosecution therefor. Newman vs. United States, 299 F. 128 (1924).

Not only was the Defendant subjectively entrapped as a matter of law due to being induced by the police conduct at issue, he was also objectively entrapped as a matter of law because of this conduct which created the "crime". 

This is not legal advice and we are not attorneys.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 13, 2013 at 2:06 PM

THIS IS THE ELEMENT OF INDUCEMENT BEING HIDDEN AND KEPT FROM THE PUBLIC! THIS IS THE TRUTH THAT IS BEING COVERED UP!

...the government's taking advantage of an alternative, non-criminal type of motive. " United States v. Gendron, 18 F.3d 955, 961 (1st Cir. 1994) (quoting Jacobson, 503 U.S. at 550), taken from United States vs. Poehlman, 217 F.3d 692 (9th Cir. 2000).

LAW ENFORCEMENT ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF ADULT WEBSITES THAT HAVE THE OSTENSIBLE GOAL OF LOOKING FOR SEXUAL ENCOUNTERS WHICH IS NON-CRIMINAL. THEY ARE USING DECEITFUL REPRESENTATIONS LIKE POSING AS "MINORS" WHO ARE PRETENDING TO BE ADULTS TO CREATE "CRIME" BY PERFORMING A BAIT AND SWITCH. THIS IS INDUCEMENT AND ALL EVIDENCE COLLECTED IS FRUIT OF THE POISONOUS TREE! 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 13, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Cases like Jacobson, Sherman and Sorrells demonstrate that even very subtle governmental pressure, if skillfully applied, can amount to inducement. In Jacobson , for example, the government merely advanced the view that the law in question was illegitimate and that, by ordering the prohibited materials, defendant would be joining in "a fight against censorship and the infringement of individual rights. " Id. at 552. In Sorrells, the inducement consisted of repeatedrequests, made in an atmosphere of comradery among veterans. See Sorrells, 287 U.S. at 439-41. In Sherman, the inducement consisted of establishing a friendly relationship with the defendant, and then playing on his sympathy for the supposed suffering of a fellow drug user. See Sherman, 356 U.S. at 371. In Hollingsworth, the inducement was nothing more than giving the defendant the idea of committing the crime, coupled with the means to do it. See Hollingsworth, 27 F.3d at 1200-02.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 13, 2013 at 2:26 PM

The Poehlman case was added to the "Case Law Links" page. EVERYONE READ UP! 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 13, 2013 at 3:04 PM

Hollingsworth was given the idea of money laundering as well as the means to do it. When compared to the internet stings, that is exactly what law enforcement are doing and they are using the already "immoral lifestyle" of "internet sex" to their advantage. Without the "minor" breaking the law in the first place by posing as an adult to access adult content with the intentions of looking for illegal sex, only to later inform the "suspect" that they are "underage" after the trap has already been sprung, is inducement. 

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devotedgfJanuary 14, 2013 at 2:21 PM

something interesting to read to right out of the sting opertions manual

They May Increase Crime

A number of well-conducted studies have shown that, contrary to expectations, sting operations may actually increase the targeted crime because they provide new opportunities to offenders to commit the crime when they use decoys, baits, and the actual selling or receipt of stolen goods.29 Furthermore, when police assume undercover roles, such as drug dealer, they may themselves be victimized, thus making possible new crimes that were not the sting’s target. This raises a serious ethical issue concerning the role of police (and government generally). The police role is to reduce crime, not increase it. If sting operations are found to increase crime, they are surely very difficult to justify, regardless of the benefits described above. However, at least one careful study found that sting operations did not increase crime in the two projects studied.30 This suggests that there is no hard-and-fast rule concerning the facilitating effects of stings

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Negative Features of Sting Operations

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 14, 2013 at 3:16 PM

So the obvious increase in online solicitations is "justified" because there are thousands of teens trying to have sex with adult men online? GIVE ME A BREAK!!! 

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. DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 14, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Here are more lies the media is trying to feed us! They know these stings are wrong but they also know that as long as they continue to lie about them then they can get away with it! 

http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130114/NEWS/301149992/1040?p=1&tc=pg

Seminole County authorities said undercover personnel used an ad indicating "Family Fun Time" on an Internet bulletin board to attract suspects. In St. Gelais' case the undercover officer said she was the mother of a 14-year-old girl.

DID NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT CRAIGSLIST! AD DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT A MINOR! THEY ARE STILL HIDING THE TRUTH!!!!! AN INTERNET BULLETIN BOARD!!!! 

"Hey I know this is not for everyone, but we are an open-minded family wanting to expand our way," the arrest report said.

IMPLANTING THE IDEA!!!! CERTAINLY A SEXUAL INUENDO!!!! 

St. Gelais responded if the girl was 18, "he'd be in," but he has too much to lose if this were a scam or a sting, the report went on.

LACK OF PREDISPOSITION IS SHOWN AND PROOF OF THE DISBELIEF IN THE SCENARIO. PROOF THAT THE CRIMINAL DESIGN ORIGINATED WITH POLICE.

He was also sent pictures and sent one of himself in return before asking for the telephone number of the "14-year-old," the report said.

SO WHEN WAS HE TOLD “SHE WAS 14”? WAS IT AFTER HE WAS ALREADY TOLD HE COULD SCREW HER? WELL OF COURSE IT WAS!!!!

...the government's taking advantage of an alternative, non-criminal type of motive. " United States v. Gendron, 18 F.3d 955, 961 (1st Cir. 1994) (quoting Jacobson, 503 U.S. at 550), taken from United States vs. Poehlman, 217 F.3d 692 (9th Cir. 2000)

In Hollingsworth, the inducement was nothing more than giving the defendant the idea of committing the crime, coupled with the means to do it. See Hollingsworth, 27 F.3d at 1200-02.

THE POINT IS THE MEN NEVER EXPECTED TO BE COMMITTING FU***** CRIMES!!!! FU***** DUMB ASS, UNEDUCATED, MONEY HUNGRY PIGS!!!! 

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devotedgfJanuary 14, 2013 at 3:25 PM

no thats not what my meaning was it was just something showing that not only are they entraping innocent men they are also opening the door for more of actual pedophiles and they are increasing the crime instead of helping to prevent it.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 14, 2013 at 3:33 PM

YOU SHOW ME AN ACTUAL PEDOPHILE THAT WAS ARRESTED IN THE LAST STING!!! SHOW ME!!! MORE PEDOPHILES!!!! THERE IS NO CRIME!!!! 

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devotedgfJanuary 14, 2013 at 3:45 PM

i was only showing that they are being programmed to create more crimes instead of catching actual pedophiles that are trolling our streets and in our homes that people are more likely to commit these types of crimes.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 15, 2013 at 8:59 AM

WHEN IT'S IN CAPS I AM NOT YELLING, JUST MAKING SURE IT STANDS OUT.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 15, 2013 at 1:24 PM

It is a due process violation for law enforcement to lie to the public about the sting and make you look worse than you already do. They are tainting the jury pool. The media does not just arbitrarily print that stuff, the law enforcement agency tells them to print it. Therefore, they are hiding the truth when they make general statements that make the objective viewer believe that this was a legitimate crime that they were trying to detect and did, in fact, detect. 

Most adult websites are "social networking sites" but they CANNOT be classified the same for the obvious reason that only adults are allowed because of the pornographic content and the sites are used for the implied or even expressed interest in finding sex online. By them simply stating "social networking sites" it automatically gives the impression of guilt because a lot of teens use social networking sites. 

Therefore, they are trying to hide the fact that they are using CONSENSUAL sex to get men to "commit crimes" and methods of deception that DO NOT let the "suspect" know beyond a reasonable doubt who they are conversing with. They are making the public believe (and the courts) that these men were using the internet to prey on children through minor oriented websites and had every reason to believe that they were conversing with a "minor" because that's what they were looking for in the first place. They are hiding the fact that the men arrested ARE NOT looking for minors and just stumble into a trap meant to create sex offenders by stating things like: "we investigated people that use the internet to find children to have sex with". 

The truth is that they DO NOT investigate anything. The truth is that they DO NOT go to places where there is a REASONABLE EXPECTATION of a "minor" being the recipient to the communication. In fact they go to adult websites where men have no idea that "a minor" is going to solicit them for sex by posing as an adult. They have NO IDEA that this adult that is looking for sex online is going to change "their age" to that of a minor simply to arrest them for what they were already in the process of doing: looking for sex online. 

ANYTHING that you can use to prove that this operation was the blatant creation of crime should be used. This especially includes the lies that were printed in the news that make the public believe this was a legitimate operation that involved some sort of investigating to detect crime. 

This is not legal advice and we are not attorneys. 

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aladdinJanuary 16, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Absolutely unbelievable!!!! This time they actually targeted people that had placed ads that explicitly stated they were looking for other consenting adults!!!!!

"Some of the men who originally posted ads for other consenting adults expressed fear of being arrested while chatting with the undercover detectives. Still, they later showed up for a sexual encounter with a minor, according to detectives."

Read more: http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florida/seminole-county/Authorities-make-50-arrests-in-child-sex-sting/-/17597106/18121862/-/d01p7tz/-/index.html#ixzz2IC0fPPoC

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 16, 2013 at 6:00 PM

IT'S OUT OF CONTROL BUT THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE!!!!! Here's our take on that "news article" about the "brave efforts" of "law enforcement" to "protect our kids". LOL!

Deputies said undercover officers responded to ads placed by men looking for sex. The agents then posed as young teens, which did make many of the suspects suspicious, according to several arrest affidavits.

Some of the men who originally posted ads for other consenting adults expressed fear of being arrested while chatting with the undercover detectives. Still, they later showed up for a sexual encounter with a minor, according to detectives.

SO THEY WERE NOT INDUCED HOW? WHAT GIVES THEM THE RIGHT TO USE COMPLETELY LEGAL BEHAVIOUR AGAINST SOMEONE? WHAT GIVES THEM THE RIGHT TO RANDOMLY KNOCK ON "SOMEONE'S DOOR" WHO IS MINDING THEIR OWN BUSINESS? LAW ENFORCEMENT MY ASS!!! NOTHING DOES!!!!

Only one of the 50 men has any kind of previous criminal history, officials said.

ONLY ONE YEAH!!!! IMAGINE THAT!!!! 

SO THE TEACHER WAS “PREPARING” TO HAVE SEX WITH A 14 YEAR OLD! WHERE IS THE SUPREME COURT IN ALL THIS TO CONFIRM THAT PREPARING TO COMMIT A CRIME IS NOT A CRIME ESPECIALLY WHEN THE "CRIME" WAS CREATED BY SOMEONE ELSE?

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 16, 2013 at 6:06 PM

Oh and here's what the dumb ass public will also not notice:

Seminole County Sheriff's Office investigators say with the help of 15 other law enforcement agencies, they arrested 50 people seeking sex with children.

Undercover officers posed as children, or parents arranging sexual activities with children, in Operation Cardea. They chatted online, emailed or spoke on the phone with dozens of men who they say wanted to have sex with children.

THIS IS A CONTRADICTION IF I EVER SAW ONE!!! If they answered ads of men looking for sex WITH WOMEN then how does that prove they were looking for sex with children? IT DOESN'T AND THESE MEN WERE CLEARLY ENTRAPPED!!!! 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 16, 2013 at 6:07 PM

OVER ZEALOUS POLICE!!!! EGREGIOUS GOVERNMENT CONDUCT!!!! They just wanted more arrests so did everything they "could do" to get them.

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aladdinJanuary 16, 2013 at 6:17 PM

the fiscal cliff has passed so now it's time to battle over funding! When you have an investigator whose salary is dependent on producing results, that investigator will produce results no matter what.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 16, 2013 at 6:19 PM

What investigator? LOL! They don't investigate, they instigate.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 18, 2013 at 8:26 AM

The Power of The Prosecutor:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/16/the-power-of-the-prosecut_n_2488653.html?show_comment_id=222979215#comment_222979215

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 18, 2013 at 8:46 AM

Here is a comment that is too long (don't know if the short version will show up) but everyone should post there:

Laws are politically motivated and over broad. The most egregious government conduct that I can think of are the laws on child solicitation over the internet. These laws were written because politicians and law enforcement wanted to APPEAR to be protecting children from internet predators. However, the way they perform the stings violates quite a few constitutional rights: namely due process and freedom of speech. 

Prosecutors and law enforcement have become the predators by "stacking charges" violating double jeopardy for a "crime" that they created and encouraged. Law enforcement are breaking their own rules just to get high arrest numbers while performing these stings. First, they are not allowed to instigate the crime but this is exactly what they do when they go to adult websites and solicit random men for sex by posing as an adult. Then, after the bait has already been taken, they make any speech related to this solicitation "illegal" by arbitrarily stating they are "underage" simply to arrest someone for "having a dirty mind". Second, they are not supposed to be posing as adults at no point in their operation but this is exactly what they do to access the adult websites and make these solicitations. Third, they are not supposed to use sex to get someone to break the law or use a perfectly normal and legal activity to their advantage as these activities constitute inducement and, therefore, entrapment.

It is perfectly legal to use the internet to find sexual encounters but law enforcement are using this to their advantage which should be considered inducement. However, as soon as the media mentions a minor, everyone closes their minds and refuse to believe that entrapment is even possible in such scenarios. This is because the law enforcement are “lying through their teeth” through the media by saying they investigated people who use the internet to find sex with minors. They “lie through their teeth” when they say that they provide the opportunity but not the idea to have sex with a minor because they leave out the part that the “minors are pretending to be adults” just to solicit random, law-abiding citizens with sex to see how they respond to the inducement. When law enforcement use a legal activity to their advantage and provide the idea to commit a crime, as well as the means to do it, to a normally law-abiding citizen not engaged in criminal activity then it is entrapment simply because it created a crime that did not exist.

These internet stings have gotten out of control in Florida because the Department of Justice has incentivized crime through the Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force. They arrogantly boast that their goal is to create crime and if crime is not created then the state law enforcement agencies will lose their grant money. If monthly progress reports are not turned in with arrests on it, then they will lose their grant money. The only way to make arrests with no criminals to arrest is to create the crime to make a “criminal”. Think about it, most of the men arrested in these stings appear to be normal men with no criminal backgrounds. Law enforcement lie and say that it’s because they have just never been caught but time and time again, they investigate these men after they arrest them and find NOTHING. However, even though they hardly ever find evidence of predisposition, the prosecutor convicts them anyway with the “plea weapon” because the men are afraid to get 20 years in prison at an unfair and biased jury trial. 

Please visit http://floridascandal.blogspot.com for supporting case law proving entrapment as well as the actual ads used during Craigslist stings that prove they are not targeting child predators. They are targeting any law-abiding male already looking for sex by posing as an adult soliciting sex from them. 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 19, 2013 at 9:25 AM

The short version is posted there now. Where are all the other comments from other people on here?

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Raymond JusticeJanuary 18, 2013 at 1:41 PM

I was browsing some videos taken from the latest illgal sting Operation Cardea and noticed several times, an adult woman coming to the door and inviting the guy in......hmmmmm

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 18, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Well they can "explain this away" because they also did mention that they were posing as parents soliciting their children out for sex. However, in any event there was still no child in immediate danger, it was still the creation of crime where none existed, it was still using consensual sex to get men to "commit crimes" by using means of deception that are illegal, it was still implanting the idea and providing the "means to commit the crime", and it was still the targeting of random men not engaged in illegal activity. 

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aladdinJanuary 18, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Apparently in this sting they actually answered ads placed by adults that clearly stated they were looking for other consenting adults. I guarantee you the guys that placed the ads never thought for a second that they were dealing with anything other than another consenting adult. Having an adult woman go to the door and invite them in only served to maintain that belief to get them into the house for arrest.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 18, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Great observation! All they want is these guys to show up just to arrest them for what they may or may not have said. More importantly what they did not say because I bet most of these guys are thinking "yeah right" the entire time. However, regardless of belief or actual intent "law enforcement" don't care. As long as they can just get them to show up for whatever reason, that is all they need because the rest is fabricated and lied about to make them look guilty.

Just like the homosexual male that was being talked about on the radio show "Internet Sex Sting - Fact or Fiction". That guy did not believe that he was talking to a minor and when he got to the house he was not waved in by a minor so he got out of his car and went in. However, because the guy never called "bull crap" he did not "have a leg to stand on" and was convicted. Law enforcement will arrest these guys no matter what they say and let the prosecutor have a field day violating their constitutional rights of due process and freedom of speech. 

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John JamesJanuary 19, 2013 at 1:30 PM

I was looking all over the internet trying to see if other states was doing these types of stings and found no other states are doing them except Florida. It also seems as if they are only using Craigslist to conduct these stings. That is very interesting to find out that Florida is the only state that has this type of problem and continues to run these illegal programs for income and screw the taxpayers out of their hard earned money. The Goverment should see this and put a end to it. 

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aladdinJanuary 19, 2013 at 2:14 PM

If there's one state that's worse than Florida it's Maryland. They don't plaster the airwaves like Florida after conducting a sting but they do them just the same. What makes them worse is how they conduct the prosecution. Hardly any of the cases even make it to discovery because the state offers a plea deal right after arraignment. They then threaten the defendants with federal charges that carry mandatory sentencing if they don't accept the plea deal on state charges.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 19, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Well they don't only use Craigslist but that seems to be the main one. Sometimes they "get creative" and use adult dating sites like Adam4Adam, AdultFriendFinder, etc. They have also used Backpage before. 

Why don't you two look up which states have outlawed these types of operations?

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aladdinJanuary 19, 2013 at 5:23 PM

No state has completely outlawed stings but some have pretty strict restrictions on what they can and can't do.

Kansas for instance does not allow random fishing stings like what we see in Florida but they do allow limited stings. Essentially they can't place ads but they can answer ads that meet certain requirements like one saying "Older looking for young" that doesn't specify an age. 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 19, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Well that is essentially outlawing the stings like they perform them in Florida. Are there any others?

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aladdinJanuary 19, 2013 at 6:36 PM

Iowa and Indiana have similar limitations I'm told

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devotedgfJanuary 20, 2013 at 12:08 PM

heres something I don't know if it will help or not:

AnarchyIsBetter says: 

August 27, 2012 at 4:38 pm 

These stings are illegal and the public is being lied to by law enforcement. Law enforcement are not investigating people using the internet to prey on “vulnerable children”; they are testing the will of law abiding men with promiscuous teens desperate to have sex with them (which was recently declared illegal by the California District Court of Appeal), making them look guilty even if they are really not (egregious government conduct), and scaring them into taking a plea (a violation of due process).

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devotedgfJanuary 20, 2013 at 12:10 PM

this is where I found the comment at.

http://www.registrationx.net/Blog/?p=637#.UPxN-WftmYE

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devotedgfJanuary 20, 2013 at 1:10 PM

here's some more from that same person:

I have seen chat logs, emails, and Craigslist ads from stings and even witnessed stings in progress. The impression that I got just from witnessing the correspondence is that if the man is not interested in talking about sex even before knowing the “age” of the “minor” then the undercover officer will not talk to him. This is obvious because the stings are performed on adult sites by posing as someone, but not a minor, interested in sex. Therefore, when a man responds to the ad or profile with a sexual introduction (since that is the implied reasoning for being on the site) it is not until after the sexual conversation has already started that the undercover officer reveals “the age”. As far as the age of this unknown person ostensibly searching for casual sex on the web; sometimes the ad does not give an age at all, sometimes it states 18, and sometimes it gives an age well over the legal age of consent. Consequently, when a man responds to an ad he is expecting what is in the ad which is of course an adult woman but what he gets is an undercover officer trying to test his will to see how desperate the man is to have sex. There are plenty of cases (some of which are on the Florida Scandal blog) that prove that this type of police activity is illegal.

I have read chat logs and emails where the men have changed their minds about having sex with a minor but were coerced and bribed with money into meeting at the undercover location anyway for some other purpose. This purpose is usually part of what is known as a “demasking” process to find out the true identity of the online persona since most people lie about who they are in the first place. (Some men have been acquitted just because of this fact alone.) While it is questionable and maybe even immoral to agree to meet a minor it is not illegal. What we are talking about here is what is illegal and not what is immoral. However, because of the risqué, sexual fantasy chats law enforcement believe that a crime is being committed when in fact it is not. Consequently, the undercover officers encourage these men to come over regardless of whether or not they change their minds and result to any means necessary to get them to agree to something but not always sex. This kind of encouragement is entrapment.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 20, 2013 at 1:46 PM

The head of the ICAC offices do know that the sting procedures are being violated. Sheriff Grady Judd is the one that came up with the procedures currently being used AND HE IS CURRENTLY THE HEAD OF THE CENTRAL FL ICAC AGENCY. He got them from Chris Hanson on "To Catch a Predator" which was cancelled because of entrapment. He is the one that got other law enforcement agencies to use HIS TACTICS. He is the one that BEGGED other law enforcement agencies to use HIS "WINNING FORMULA". THIS IS PROBABLY BECAUSE HE WAS WANTING A BIGGER COVERUP TO MAKE IT EASIER TO HIDE THE ENTRAPMENT FROM HIS BOSS!

GRADY JUDD IS THE ONE THAT BELIEVES CRIMINALS HIDE BEHIND THE FIRST AMENDMENT. GRADY JUDD IS THE ONE THAT BELIEVES PORNOGRAPHY SHOULD BE OUTLAWED AND HAS OUTLAWED IT IN HIS COUNTY.

GRADY JUDD IS THE ONE THAT IS ON A CRUSADE AGAINST IMMORAL LIFESTYLES.

GRADY JUDD IS THE ONE THAT TWISTS THE LAW TO MAKE ANYTHING HE SEES IMMORAL ILLEGAL.

GRADY JUDD IS THE ONE THAT STARTED USING LEGAL ACTIVITIES AGAINST LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS BECAUSE HE BELIEVED THEM TO BE IMMORAL. 

I am willing to bet that the department of justice does not know the procedures are being violated. The ICAC agencies do not have to tell the DOJ how the stings are performed. They just have to fill out progress reports with arrests on them. It is probably just assumed by the DOJ and the Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention (OJJDP) that these guidelines are being followed BECAUSE IF THEY FOUND OUT THAT THEY WEREN'T THEN THEY WOULD CANCEL THE GRANT. 

I GUESS SOMEONE SHOULD CALL THE DOJ AND THE OJJDP AND TELL THEM ABOUT THE LIES THAT THEY ARE BEING TOLD JUST TO GET THE GRANT MONEY! 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 20, 2013 at 2:03 PM

HERE IS THE LINK:

http://www.justice.gov/actioncenter/complaint.html

HERE IS THE SECTION THAT APPLIES:

Complaint against DOJ employee or DOJ funded organization

Report waste, fraud, abuse, or misconduct

Report violations of civil rights or civil liberties

File a complaint with the Office of Professional Responsibility

File a discrimination complaint against a recipient of financial assistance from OJP and COPS or from other Department of Justice agencies

EVERYONE WRITE A THOROUGH COMPLAINT DETAILING HOW THESE PROCEDURES ARE BEING VIOLATED BY THE ICAC AGENCIES IN FL AND how the MOU is being ILLEGALLY INTERPRETED TO INCLUDE THE CREATION OF CRIME. BE SURE TO REFERENCE THE APPROPRIATE DOCUMENTS THAT THEY CREATED.

Be sure to mention that the DOJ and OJJDP is being LIED TO JUST TO GET THE GRANT TO PERFORM MORE ILLEGAL STINGS. BE SURE TO MENTION THAT THE PROGRESS REPORTS REQUIRED BY THEM HAVE INCENTIVIZED CRIME. 

Be sure to tell them that LAW ENFORCEMENT ARE USING MEANS OF DECEPTION THAT ARE ILLEGAL JUST TO APPROACH RANDOM, LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS WITH NOT ONLY THE OPPORTUNITY TO "COMMIT A CRIME" BUT THE IDEA AS WELL. 

Be sure to tell them that by using adult websites to perform stings, posing as adults to access these sites and solicit random men for sex, and to use something perfectly legal to their advantage IS INDUCEMENT.

LET'S GET IT DONE! 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 20, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Also, be sure to mention that THE ONLY ARRESTS BEING MADE ARE THE ONES GENERATED BY THE STINGS and you can reference the study that was conducted in Orange County that proved 100% of the arrests for this type of crime were from internet stings alone.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 20, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Do you think the head office of ICAC has any idea of how Florida is conducting these stings? How i read it, they are not following the procedures as it is writen.

That's the million dollar question. I don't think they really do or if they do they don't care. We've have been doing a lot of research into that and what we're finding, alarms me in many ways. There's still some things we need to track down like all of the ICAC training materials, We've only gotten one section of those but I'll try to give a you rundown of what I think is going on and why.

First the ICAC was created with good intentions. It is not funded with Byrne JAG grant money as that was actually being phased out when the ICAC was created so Congress authorized an entirely new source of funding for ICAC grants at 60 million per year. This funding does not include funds for training. ICAC training is funded from a completely different source also authorized by Congress to the tune of 4 million dollars per year. On a side note the reason the Byrne grants still exist is because just before that program was to be shut down police agencies all over the country staged massive coordinated drug sting operations that resulted in thousands of arrests within days all to demonstrate to congress that the money was being used effectively so congress would keep that tap flowing. 

http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/2008/03/operation-byrne-blitz-makes-explicit.html

Now we know how the ICAC task forces and such are funded and we know accepting that funding comes with stipulations such as following the Operational and Investigative Standards but how is that money actually used and why would an agency receiving ICAC grant money ignore those stipulations and how would they get away with doing so?

Well the grant money is used for things such as buying new computer equipment and setting up or remodeling facilities into computer crime labs, no real problem there. It is also used to fund investigations and most surprising, to pay the salaries of investigators and computer forensic experts. I don't have a direct link at the moment but we have copies of some of the grant applications that literally say "This money will be used to pay for (2) ICAC investigators at a salary of $53,475.00 per year and (1) computer forensic specialist at a salary of $47,450.00 per year." This is where the problem begins.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 20, 2013 at 6:54 PM

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The ICAC is run by the Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention and recipients of the funding it doles out are supposed to report back but they only have to report on a very limited number of things. Those things are the number of investigations, the number arrests resulting from those investigations, the total number of prosecutions resulting from those arrests, the number of successful prosecutions and finally the number of unsuccessful prosecutions and why those prosecutions were not successful. That's it. The only metrics the OJJDP tracks as measures of the success of the ICAC program are the number of investigations, the number of arrests and the number of successful prosecutions. The OJJDP files an annual report to congress based on these numbers and only these numbers. That report glosses over issues like what happens in Florida by saying it's fine because all ICAC affiliate agency investigations are governed by the ICAC Operational and Investigative Standards and ICAC provided training and therefore can't possibly be doing anything wrong. There is supposed to be a council or committee that oversees ICAC investigations but it is not conflict free. It is staffed by ICAC affiliated law enforcement and ICAC affiliated prosecutors.

What this all means is that the ICAC program has created a culture of results at any cost. Any drop in the number of arrests or successful prosecutions is seen as a failure and any agency that doesn't at least maintain its numbers in a given fiscal year will not receive as much funding the following fiscal year. If an agency needs or wants more funding, all they have to do is increase the numbers. There is absolutely no provision for having reduced or eliminated Internet Crimes Against Children in any given jurisdiction as a measure of success. Since ICAC grant money is used to pay salaries, the people receiving those salaries know their very livelihood depends on continuing to produce results. They also know there is no system of checks and balances monitoring how they perform investigations and so they can and do whatever is necessary to produce the necessary results without fear of repercussion.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 20, 2013 at 6:55 PM

The above is from an anonymous email that is someone that sounds like they know what they are talking about. Keep up the good work everyone!!!!

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stevegJanuary 20, 2013 at 11:13 PM

I just read an article at http://www.spygeeks.com/blog/online-predators-are-only-a-click-away-but-is-it-entrapment-when-leo-sets-the-bait.html

about this sting. There weren't any facts posted at that blog, just opinion. But from the sounds of what you posted it seems like the Sheriff essentialy "invented" 50 child sex predaotrs. If the UCs had stated up front that they were "14" and waited for men to solicit them then I think there would be a case. But you can't solicit horny men and then say "oh by the way i'm 14" These guys should have thought better but I def can see a way out for them.

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John JamesJanuary 21, 2013 at 9:13 AM

Steveg I tried to go on the link you left here and it come up page not found and a virus popped up that was blocked. Just wanted to let you know. I hope there is a way out for all people involved in the mess not just these guys.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 21, 2013 at 11:24 AM

So "steveg" what was the purpose of providing that link to us? There was nothing in there but a bunch of lies and opinions based off of the lies that cops tell. The main thing that I did not agree with is that the author said even if the men are entrapped they deserve to go to jail for a long time. It was clear while reading the article that the "author" is pro-sting, does not know what they are talking about, and is pro-entrapment concerning child solicitation stings. 

So what was the purpose of presenting us with that propaganda meant to further the illegal agenda of law enforcement concerning internet stings?

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 21, 2013 at 11:35 AM

The news article about the Seminole County sting CLEARLY stated that they did not inform the men that "they were underage" until after the sexual solicitations had been made. This is particularly evident where they were talking about the teacher who said he was interested but only if she was over 18. So, after all this time why are you trying to make the distinction between the two scenarios? 

We already know what they are really doing during these stings. Just take a look at the ad near the top of this page that clearly shows a sexual solicitation from an adult woman. Take a look at the other ads that prove what they do during these stings and that they are not posing as minors but merely perform a bait and switch. Take a look at the pictures of adult women that they are trying to say are minors.

So we say again, what is your purpose here?

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 21, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Here is a comment posted at the link you provided:

You mention subjective entrapment but failed to mention objective entrapment. Objective entrapment has nothing to do with inducement or being “willing to commit a crime”. It means that law enforcement used the perfectly legal activity of looking for sex online to their advantage. It also means that not only was the idea implanted but the opportunity to “commit the crime” was presented to ANY RANDOM PERSON. Furthermore, objective entrapment concerns due process and means that law enforcement cannot simply create a crime just to arrest its creature: the criminal. It is the duty of law enforcement to detect, not create, crime. Also, the police activity at issue can and does induce innocent men to “commit these crimes” but in actuality a crime is not even being committed because merely preparing to commit a crime is not a crime. In your essay you wrote that:

Either way, LEOs can avoid the issue of entrapment by not being the first to suggest sexual contact will occur. For instance, the title of a Craigslist ad from LEO posing as a child in the personals section may read “Confused teenager needs a friend” and then go on to say that he/she is 15, lonely and just looking for someone to hang out with.

So it’s obvious that you do not know what is going on. Don’t make up false opinions or assumptions based on the lies that the media tells you. Law enforcement are not posing as innocent children and they are soliciting men for sex through these ads which usually DO NOT have any indication of a minor in the ad. Take a look at some ads used in stings at http://floridascandal.blogspot.com that make it certainly clear this “person” was looking for sex and that it is certainly unclear as to the “age of this person”. However, since the ad also reads w4m (woman for man) it is assumed that it is a woman but sometimes the ads even have the age of an “adult woman”. Therefore, these guys never “know” that they are “conversing with a minor” until after the sexual solicitations have started. Having mentioned the word “know”, it is not too unreasonable to think that under the circumstances these men did not really know or believe they were talking to a minor. Just because some anonymous person (who is supposed to be an adult) arbitrarily mentions that they are underage, does not mean that the other person believed it. This is how the stings violate the first amendment. The People vs. Aguirre case is similar to the scenarios that police use in these stings and the California Appeals Court decided that it is inevitable that operations such as these will ensnare normally law-abiding citizens. To pose as a teen who is pretending to be an adult so that they can search for illegal sex online with random men on adult sites WILL INDUCE MEN TO “COMMIT THIS CRIME”. This also does not merely provide an opportunity but creates the crime itself and implants the disposition to want to search out this UNKNOWN PERSON for sex because that is what the men were already in the process of doing.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 21, 2013 at 11:37 AM

You are completely delusional and certainly believe the lies that you are being told to come up with this statement:

Sure, an inference could be made if the ad was posted in a “sex” based forum like Adult Friend Finder that the “teenager” was looking for sexual relations. However Craigslist has personal ad space that is not necessarily used strictly for meeting people for sex. Thus, law enforcement essentially will wait for the sexually explicit chat to occur by the predator first and then begin to close the trap. The predator, by sending the sexually explicit text / images is at that point not only ready to commit a crime but is actually committing one!

First, the ads are placed in the CASUAL ENCOUNTERS SECTION where EVERYONE IS LOOKING FOR SEX. There is an age disclaimer presented to the user when this sextion (intentional misspelling) is clicked on and while reading the other ads, it is OBVIOUS that the purpose of this section is to look for sex. The ads used in these stings “blend right in” with the other ads so it is almost impossible to determine what is a sting ad and what is a “real ad”. I say “real ad” because most of these ads ARE FAKE and only meant to solicit the users to visit a PORN SITE. Therefore, even when a man responds to an ad he expects a fake response more than half the time. Furthermore, the fact that the ads look like any other ad with the implied or expressed interest in sex WITH WOMEN apparent in them it is obvious that they are NOT TARGETING MEN LOOKING FOR SEX WITH CHILDREN WHICH IS OBJECTIVE ENTRAPMENT. 

This next statement you make REALLY PISSES ME OFF:

Does that change the positive effect of the sting? Not at all. The fact of the matter is that there were 50 men, who knew when they got into their car, that they were going over to a home with the expressed intent of having sexual contact with a minor child. Entrapped or not, these guys should be going to jail for a long time. Lonely, sex deprived, depressed, confused or just curious are no excuses for molesting children. 

What is the positive effect of ruining the life AND FAMILY of SOME RANDOM MAN WHO IF LEFT TO HIS OWN DEVICES WHOULD LIKELY HAVE NOT RUN AFOUL THE LAW? The only positive effect is that law enforcement are making money from creating crime which is the whole purpose of these stings, not to catch “child predators”. You seem to let your emotions get in the way of your rational thinking because IF THESE MEN ARE ENTRAPPED (and they are) THEN THEY DESERVE TO BE SET FREE NO MATTER WHAT THEY ARE ACCUSED OF. Furthermore, do you even know the meaning of molest? A person cannot be molested if they are encouraging you to do it so pull your head out of your a**. THESE ARE NOT “CHILDREN” soliciting men for sex BUT MONEY HUNGRY COPS BREAKING THE LAW TO APPEAL TO YOUR SENTIMENT TOWARDS CHILD MOLESTORS TO OBTAIN ILLEGAL CONVICTIONS TO RECEIVE FEDERAL GRANT MONEY.

Out of all these illegal stings that occur here in Florida, there is a little bit of truth in the articles written about them: the men arrested are sexual predators. This is evident because the men were looking for casual sex with strangers on the internet. However, they are not child predators and police are just using their legal activities against them to induce them to seek out sex “with a minor” just to arrest them for it. NOW WAKE THE HELL UP! 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 21, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Check this out everyone:

Charges Dismissed Against Former Child Sex Crimes Prosecutor For Lack Of Actual Minor In FBI Sting

http://jonathanturley.org/2012/12/07/charges-dismissed-against-former-child-sex-crimes-prosecutor-for-lack-of-actual-minor-in-fbi-sting/

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. DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 22, 2013 at 5:33 PM

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Raymond JusticeJanuary 23, 2013 at 9:10 AM

So far my buddy who only has a soliciting charge, is set for pretrail again at the end of april. He has been involved with this since november 2011 and all he did was send emails and no graphic images after answering an adult craigslist ad. The prosecutor said they are try to treat all of these sting cases the same whether they traveled or not.

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john doeJanuary 23, 2013 at 5:04 PM

My relative has a pretrial conference at the end of this month. My relative expect to go to trial pretty soon after my relative's lawyer files motions.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 24, 2013 at 5:23 PM

These cases should never go to trial! Have him contact Florida Scandal to see if his attorney is competent and most importantly effective.

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Raymond JusticeJanuary 25, 2013 at 9:24 AM

Right now there is an active sting going on in Jacksonville, using the casual encounters section of craigslist. I have taken a screen shot of the ads and will send them soon. I have verified it is a sting by emailing the ad and they responded back and said it was a stepdad who likes to watch his 13 year old stepdaughter. They are using the email address patton426@gmail.com. these cops are sickos. Have fun with the info and have a wonderful day

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Deb PercivalJanuary 25, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Just an update/me venting:

Son-in-Law's case got sent to Federal...he took the plea...they are gave him the mandatory 10yr minimum (& from my understanding that means 8yrs as he will serve 85% minus the few months he spent in the county jail). He is to 'report' to where ever they are sending him the 1st week of March, I guess. 

So sad...so pitiful...a man that served our country 7+yr...NO criminal record...NO porn at all on his computers...he was out of town...feeling 'lonely' and feeling 'neglected'...as my daughter was pregnant and going through that moodiness that pregnant women go through...so he went on the craigslist personal ads looking for an 'encounter'...he tried to stop communication...they came back at him after a few days of him not communicating...and well...he is not the 'brightest bulb in the batch'...and was an easy 'prey' for the crooked sting...the lured and manipulated him and got him to travel from Savannah, Ga where he had just started a new job (he got honorably discharged from the Navy in Dec '12...it took several months for him to find employment)...they manipulated, enticed, lured him to travel to Gainesville, FL...the craigslist ad was a Brunswick, GA ad...I say not the brightest...as it seemed to me that there were all kind of 'red flags'...but they probably would have come to him if he hadn't 'traveled'...but you know...once 'riled up'...a lot of men can't think clearly...plus being in the military for so long...he was used to following orders...not thinking for himself

This REALLY infuriates me...the way the 'system' in abusing their 'authority'...guys that are 'weak minded' being entrapped and prosecuted for crimes that were not actually committed...getting sentences much harsher than actual criminals get...our 'system' is SO SCREWED UP...

so now his life is ruined...

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 26, 2013 at 7:02 PM

ACTIVE STING ON CRAIGSLIST IN THE JACKSONVILLE CASUAL ENCOUNTERS!!!! SPAM THE HELL OUT OF THE ADS AND POST AS MANY WARNINGS AS POSSIBLE!!!! If someone is brave enough then see if you can get an address to be posted up on Craigslist and here. 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 27, 2013 at 7:04 PM

http://www.aclu.org/capital-punishment-lgbt-rights/aclu-demands-south-carolina-county-sheriffs-office-stop-unlawful

This is a good story! 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 28, 2013 at 6:58 PM

CANON 7 OF THE CODE

OF JUDICIAL CONDUCT

A JUDGE OR CANDIDATE FOR JUDICIAL OFFICE SHALL REFRAIN FROM INAPPROPRIATE POLITICAL ACTIVITY

(3) A candidate for a judicial office:

(a) shall be faithful to the law and maintain professional competence in it, and shall not be swayed by partisan interests, public clamor, or fear of criticism;

(b) shall maintain the dignity appropriate to judicial office and act in a manner consistent with the impartiality, integrity, and independence of the judiciary, and shall encourage members of the candidate’s family to adhere to the same standards of political conduct in support of the candidate as apply to the candidate;

http://www.flcourts.org/gen_public/courted/bin/canon7update.pdf

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Raymond JusticeJanuary 29, 2013 at 8:40 AM

I found where the last sting was based out of. It looks like with all the ads against the sting and the sting to catch the stingere, severely cut down the number of thier arrests. Theyonly got 3.

http://www.alligator.org/news/campus/article_175c407a-69d9-11e2-84f5-0019bb2963f4.html

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 29, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Thank god they only caught three! Someone should contact Trent Talbot, president of Beta Theta Pi, and get the fraternity on board with helping us out. Once a brother, always a brother and they need to know the truth as to why one of their own was arrested. 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 29, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Here is the email for the president of Beta Theta Pi:

president@UFbeta.org

EVERYONE SHOULD CONTACT HIM AND GET THE FRATERNITY TO HELP LANCE! 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 29, 2013 at 5:48 PM

Here is the email we sent:

Mr. President of Beta Theta Pi,

Your fraternity prides itself on men of principle so the recent arrest of one of your brothers should raise quite a few questions. The main question is why would one of your own be arrested in an internet sting geared towards "catching child predators"? Well the answer to this question is quite simple: the internet sting he was arrested in was illegal and he was induced into "committing a crime" he did not intend to commit. As men of principle, the people with Florida Scandal believe that the fraternity would be able to see through the smoke screen that law enforcement have created using the media to spread lies and nasty rumours. 

The fact is that your brother needs your assistance and not law enforcement. Your brother has not committed a crime and the fraternity should do something to help him. While being arrested in such a sting might bring into question his good moral character, the principles of subjective and objective entrapment are quite clear. We would like for your fraternity to contact the legal department at UF, pool your resources, raise money if necessary, and get your brother good legal assistance. He does not deserve what might happen to him as a result of being arrested in that mockery of justice. Lance Thomas Kriete's first amendment rights were violated and he was targeted by police simply because he was using the internet to find legal, consensual sex. The idea to participate in this behaviour was not his own. This entire "crime" was created, encouraged, and fabricated by law enforcement simply to arrest your brother for "immoral thoughts", "talking dirty", and "role playing". The facts make it clear that he was entrapped and police using a legal activity to their advantage does constitute inducement, especially when sex is used as a motivating factor.

If the fraternity would like to not get involved, which is highly il-advised, then Florida Scandal would like to get into contact with Lance so that we may help. With or without your help we will put a stop to these illegal stings. However, we would like and need as much help as we can get and we hope that men of principle would be interested in helping to topple the empire of organized crime that has been created by law enforcement's greed for money and publicity. Hope to hear from you soon.

Thanks,

Florida Scandal. 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 29, 2013 at 4:50 PM

How can we get a grant from the federal government to create a crime that doesn't exist just to take more of their money?

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJanuary 29, 2013 at 5:07 PM

We have to think of something that is legal and exploit it to present it as a problem the DOJ is interested in.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comFebruary 2, 2013 at 1:35 PM

EVERYONE MUST READ THE CASE LAW ON THE "CASE LAW LINKS" PAGE! THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO UNDERSTAND ALL THIS NONSENSE. Those cases on that page are LINKS and that is why the title of the page is what it is. If they were not links then it would say "CASE LAW QUOTES". 

It is a lot of reading but it needs to be read and understood. If you don't understand something then keep reading it until you do and read other cases to figure out why you don't understand it. 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comFebruary 4, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Here is an ad posted on Craigslist:

girls bite - w4m - 25 (Talahassee)

Guys beware there are some spammers using craigslist with sexual encounters.They get you to respond then they send you a email later saying you are a predator and list you on a site called predatorwatch.com. This site is also a scam and tells you that you can be removed for a fee.You can google the site and read that this is a scam.Just trying to warn you guys so you do not fall into a trap.They also post your photos that you send on the site.

Location: Talahassee

it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests

HERE IS THE URL TO THE AD:

http://tallahassee.craigslist.org/cas/3592455495.html

HERE IS THE URL TO THE SITE:

https://predatorswatch.com/

Nothing seems out of the ordinary about this site at first glance but the truth is THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW!!! The reasons why they are breaking the law are:

1. There is no legal disclaimer stating that the content on the site is adult, pornographic content.

2. They do not receive the permission from the men on the site to have their photos posted on the site.

3. They are engaged in blackmail and extortion. 

EVERYONE NEEDS TO REPORT THIS SITE!!! 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comFebruary 10, 2013 at 9:35 PM

REMINDER:

There was an acquittal for entrapment at trial. Scott M. Evans, Sarasota County, Case No. 2012 CF 006721 NC

http://courtweb.co.sarasota.fl.us/crimapp/crimdetail.asp?case_id=29834265

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Raymond JusticeFebruary 11, 2013 at 7:20 AM

Here is a fairly good article related to that acquittal

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20121123/article/311239997

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. DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comFebruary 17, 2013 at 4:50 PM

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comFebruary 22, 2013 at 9:15 AM

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK EVERYONE! We don't want anyone losing hope or their faith in the system just yet. This will work and has been working. There are a lot of things that have been going on and continue to keep happening. To put things into perspective, this organization has helped a lot of people get on track. WE WILL WIN, SO HANG IN THERE! 

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Talkn StangFebruary 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Charges dismissed in less than 120 days.....very cool

Case Information 

Case Number: 2011 035059 CFAES Judge: RANDELL H ROWE III Case Type: FELONY Category: FELONY 

Case Style: STATE OF FLORIDA v. KYLE W LIGHTNER Div: 07 Filing Date: 09/03/2011 Security: PUBLIC 

DOB: 09/26/1989 SPN: 620574 Processing Location: JUSTICE CENTER Status: CLOSED 

Next Court Date: Next Court Location: 

Date

Docket Type

Description

12/23/2011 DISCHARGE OF BOND COMPLETED DISCHARGE OF BOND COMPLETED:BOB BARRY BAIL BONDS 

12/20/2011 CASE CLOSED CASE CLOSED: 

12/20/2011 NOLLE PROSSED NOLLE PROSSED: USE COMP TO SEDUCE/SOLIC CHILD 

12/20/2011 NOLLE PROSSED NOLLE PROSSED: TRAVEL TO MINOR AFTER COMP USE 

12/20/2011 NOLLE PROSSED NOLLE PROSSED: UNL USE 2 WAY COMM DEVICE 

12/16/2011 TRIAL SET TRIAL SET: 030512 PTR 021412 01:30 ROWE WK2 

12/13/2011 COURT ACTION FORM FILED NUMBER OF COURT ACTION FORMS USED: 01 

12/13/2011 CONT. BY DEF. CONT. BY DEF.: 

11/22/2011 NOTICE OF TRIAL NOTICE OF TRIAL - 010312 

11/18/2011 MOTION MOTION: TO REVOKE DEF.'S BOND 

11/03/2011 MOTION TO DISMISS MOTION TO DISMISS: 

11/03/2011 MOTION FOR DISCLOSURE OF EVIDENCE MOTION FOR DISCLOSURE OF EVIDENCE: & NOTICE OF DISCOVERY 

11/03/2011 MOTION FOR STATEMENT OF PART MOTION FOR STATEMENT OF PART: 

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Talkn StangFebruary 24, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Here is the rest of it

11/03/2011 MOTION TO SUPPRESS MOTION TO SUPPRESS: 

11/02/2011 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE NOTICE OF APPEARANCE: AS CO COUNSEL/AARON DELGADO 

11/02/2011 RECEIVED NOTICE OF APPEARANCE PLEADINGS(S) RECEIVED NOTICE OF APPEARANCE PLEADINGS(S)AARON DELGADO 

10/25/2011 TRIAL SET TRIAL SET: 010312 PTR 121311 01:30 ROWE WK2 

10/24/2011 WRITTEN PLEA NOT GUILTY WRITTEN PLEA NOT GUILTY: 

10/24/2011 WAIVED PRESENCE AT PRE-TRIAL WAIVED PRESENCE AT PRE-TRIAL: 

10/24/2011 DEMAND FOR DISCOVERY DEMAND FOR DISCOVERY: 

10/24/2011 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE NOTICE OF APPEARANCE: BY CATHERINE DREES 

10/24/2011 RECEIVED NOTICE OF APPEARANCE PLEADINGS(S) RECEIVED NOTICE OF APPEARANCE PLEADINGS(S)CATHERINE DREES 

10/20/2011 RECEIVED NOTICE OF APPEARANCE PLEADINGS(S) RECEIVED NOTICE OF APPEARANCE PLEADINGS(S)BY CATHERINE DREES 

10/10/2011 NOTICE OF ARRAIGNMENT NOTICE OF ARRAIGNMENT - 102611 

10/06/2011 ORDER OF REASSIGNMENT ORDER OF REASSIGNMENT: DIV.07/JDG.ROWE 

10/06/2011 FILE SENT TO FILE SENT TO: JDG.ROWE CLERKS-DL FELONY**RCVD** 

10/05/2011 INFORMATION FILED INFORMATION FILED: UNL USE 2 WAY COMM DEVICE 

10/05/2011 ARR. SET FOR ARR. SET FOR:102611 ROWE @08:30CR4C-CRTHS.DL WK 2 

10/05/2011 INFORMATION FILED INFORMATION FILED: TRAVEL TO MINOR AFTER COMP USE 

10/05/2011 INFORMATION FILED INFORMATION FILED: USE COMP TO SEDUCE/SOLIC CHILD 

09/30/2011 NOTICE OF ARN. RET'D NOTICE OF ARN. RET'D: 

09/28/2011 SURETY APPEARANCE BOND-ORIGINAL SURETY APPEARANCE BOND-ORIGINAL:511161781 

09/28/2011 SURETY APPEARANCE BOND-ORIGINAL SURETY APPEARANCE BOND-ORIGINAL:561183795 

09/28/2011 SURETY APPEARANCE BOND-ORIGINAL SURETY APPEARANCE BOND-ORIGINAL:511162652 

09/27/2011 ADDR LEGACY DATA CODE PALM COAST FL 32164-6722 

09/27/2011 ADDRESS CHANGE/VERIFICATION FORM ADDRESS CHANGE/VERIFICATION FORM: (PER DEFENDANT) 

09/27/2011 ADDR LEGACY DATA CODE ADR UPD: 20 PORWYN LANE 

09/20/2011 NOTICE OF ARRAIGNMENT NOTICE OF ARRAIGNMENT - 100611 

09/16/2011 ORDER ORDER: GRANTING TRANSFER PENDING ASSIGNMENT 

09/15/2011 MOTION MOTION: TO TRANSFER 

09/07/2011 ARR. SET FOR ARR. SET FOR:100611 WALSH @08:30CR#3-JC.DB WK 2 

09/04/2011 PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND: 

09/04/2011 COURT ACTION FORM FILED NUMBER OF COURT ACTION FORMS USED: 01 

09/04/2011 BOND SET AT BOND SET AT: 0025000.00 @ 1ST/WALSH 

09/04/2011 BOOKING/ARREST REPORT BOOKING/ARREST REPORT: 

09/04/2011 PUBLIC DEFENDER APPOINTED PUBLIC DEFENDER APPOINTED: 

09/04/2011 NO CONTACT W/VICTIM NO CONTACT W/VICTIM W/MINORS 

09/04/2011 TEXT CHRG 1 UPDATED: F/USE COMP SERV SEDICE/SOLIC CHIL 

09/04/2011 TEXT CHRG 3 UPDATED: F/OBSCENE COMM TRAVEL TO MEET MIN 

09/04/2011 TEXT CHRG 2 UPDATED: F/USE TWO WAY COMM DEVICE 

09/03/2011 PLACE OF OFFENSE PLACE OF OFFENSE: 1330 INDIAN LAKE RD, DAYTONA BCH 

09/03/2011 TEXT A/O: VCSO/HENDERSON 

09/03/2011 DATE OF OFFENSE DATE OF OFFENSE: 090311 

09/03/2011 TEXT ARRESTED: F/OBSCENE COMM TRAVEL TO MEET MINO 

09/03/2011 ADDR LEGACY DATA CODE SA761 ADR: 

09/03/2011 ADDR LEGACY DATA CODE 

09/03/2011 TEXT ORIGINAL BOOKING NUMBER: WS856473 

09/03/2011 TEXT ARRESTED: F/USE TWO WAY COMM DEVICE 

09/03/2011 TEXT ARRESTED: F/USE COMP SERV SEDICE/SOLIC CHILD

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Talkn StangFebruary 24, 2013 at 5:36 PM

the above case looks like a great example of not giving the state enough time to put their case together and exercising your right to a speedy trial. Because the case was in its infancy, it looks like the state had no other choice but to dismiss after they failed to disclose discovery, etc. Looks like the state even tried to get cocky and revoke defendants bond. That just goes to show how pathetic they are into trying to screw people over. Its sad, but we know its true.

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Raymond JusticeFebruary 25, 2013 at 10:47 AM

I am pretty familiar with this case. This guys wife passed away and was looking on craigslist for a companion and got caught. They said he was depressed. This person is in the Air Force and is stationed in California where he was pickedup on another craigslist sting. Shortly after that the florida case was dropped and Ibelieve he is still under investigation in california

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comFebruary 24, 2013 at 6:20 PM

YOU CAN FIND THE TRUTH IN ANY LIE IF YOU LOOK FOR IT. Here is an article about the recent sting at 

http://www.bradenton.com/2013/02/20/4401600/6-manatee-county-men-charged-in.html

Here is the truth coming from one of the men arrested:

"I did nothing wrong. She solicited me," said Mark Manbeck, 53, of Lakewood Ranch.

Here is a lie told by a detective:

Rose said something new used in this operation was a social media site that uses a GPS to identify a person's location.

"It will pop up and tell you who is around," Rose said. "Kids go on this site and think they will meet new friends, but there are some harmful people, too."

THAT SITE IS A DATING SITE FOR ADULTS!!! We read that from another article so it is obvious that this is a bold faced lie to scare parents and obtain illegal convictions. THERE AREN’T ANY KIDS ON THERE LOOKING FOR FRIENDS!!!! 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comFebruary 24, 2013 at 6:39 PM

So it's ok to charge this guy with solicitation in a sting but all he gets charged with in real life is contributing?

http://www.alamogordonews.com/ci_19371266

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comFebruary 24, 2013 at 6:44 PM

THIS SHOWS YOU THE DOUBLE STANDARD!!!! IN REAL LIFE, TO PLAN CONSENSUAL SEX WITH A MINOR IS JUST CONTRIBUTING (A FIRST DEGREE MISDEMEANOUR) BUT WITH A FAKE CRIME IN A STING IT IS SOLICITATION (A THIRD DEGREE FELONY).

So this is where they apply the real law!!!? They couldn't charge him for solicitation because he was merely planning to have sex with her! SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE WITH THE STINGS?! WHY DO THEY CHANGE THE RULES FOR THE STINGS!? OH YEAH, TO MAKE MONEY!!!! 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comFebruary 24, 2013 at 8:23 PM

Well the police had a good argument about the ad that they posted in this case but what about all the other ads that do not say anything about a minor? What about the bait and switch tactics? This case needs to be appealed to a higher court and have them concentrate on the random virtue testing and the creation of crime.

What about the fact that adult websites are not havens for child predators?

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/westcoastnews/story.html?id=b8eededa-9da2-4acb-8918-3d9e32576993

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comFebruary 24, 2013 at 8:24 PM

WHAT ABOUT INDUCEMENT!? He was not searching for sex with a minor! 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comFebruary 24, 2013 at 8:26 PM

lets talk about random virtue testing. DUI checkpoints are a type of random virtue testing. Floridas sting operations are definitely random virtue testing. Why would one be ok and one would not be? In order for them to properly conduct a DUI checkpoint, Law enforcement must report this to the news media before hand for the public to know. Obviously with FLorida's stings, that is not done thus that is why it is illegal. They are not going to advertise it beforehand because it would obviously compromise their mission.....to screw over innocent men at any cost. The very people who do not know/understand this are the ones who think its ok to do what they are doing and get those "Pedos" off the streets. They are breaking the law in many ways.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comFebruary 24, 2013 at 9:09 PM

http://www2.canada.com/story.html?id=6205284

THE OFFICER CONVINCED HIM TO DO IT!!! 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comFebruary 24, 2013 at 9:10 PM

HOW DOES EVERYONE READ THIS AD?

http://tallahassee.craigslist.org/cas/3634850896.html

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Raymond JusticeFebruary 25, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Darn I missed that one....Tally cops are really fun to mess with too, especially if you are right to exercise your freedom of speech

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Talkn StangFebruary 27, 2013 at 1:15 AM

if you were arrested, double check your arrest report closely and compare it to your chat log. After 2 years, i just found words added to my report that i didnt even say....stuff that makes me look guilty as sin in the report. It was no typo for sure and i cant believe i missed this. Falsifying/lying on an arrest report is illegal, but i am glad i did find it....now its time to do something about it

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scaredmommaFebruary 28, 2013 at 7:45 PM

well our son had his trial today,if thats what it was called,from the beginning it was biased,first last week a 3rd charge was added-a second soliciting a minor on a computer-only it was worded today as lewd and lacidious child molestation and other garbage,and on tuesday-after the juoy selection was all done,the state finds 3 little clips of one porn video from a site called hamster x-which is an adult porn site,and said ir is suspected child porn,it was an asian flat chested woman,but it was said to be suspected child porn,it was brought in to the case ,our lawyer tried to have it excluded,but of course hanging hankinson denied it,and every other motion our lawyer submitted including the motion to dismiss on the entrapement stuff,every motion was denied.that state attorney tainted the jury from the getgo,it took the jury 66 minutes to decide guilty,so you tell me,does that sound fair to you.he gets to sit in the jail til april 3rd till sentencing now!i am now on the warpath,i will not stop till i get justice for my son.i gave the legal system a shot at being fair,well there is no such thing.you are guilty no matter what.not one reporter bothered to be there either,nobody was there,just my husband and myself,they knew it was not justice so they chickened out i guess.so now i wonder how many more are still waiting to get to be found guity in that courtroom.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMarch 1, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Sounds to me like it's time to file the appeals on the dismissal and the stage show that they called a trial. You knew the appeals were coming so get them in. Also, you can file a motion to stay so he will not get sentenced and if that gets denied then you can appeal that too. You can also file for an appellate bond and if that gets denied then the DCA will overturn that so he can get out on bond. Sounds to me like it's time to report the judge like you were going to do. He is obviously part of the dark side. 

All of this can be done BEFORE he even gets sentenced and he will be home in time for Corn Flakes. THIS IS AN ENDURANCE GAME! You say that you have fight in you so now it is certainly time to show them. 

YOUR DAY OF RECKONING WILL NOT BE BECAUSE OF A "FAIR" TRIAL BECAUSE THEY DO NOT EXIST.

Child pornography has to be PROVEN AND NOT JUST SUSPECTED!!!! THEREFORE, THAT TRIAL WAS NOT A TRIAL AT ALL! "DUE PROCESS IS DUE!" Now go and get it. ;)

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMarch 1, 2013 at 7:08 PM

This is not legal advice and we are not attorneys.

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Talkn StangMarch 1, 2013 at 5:21 PM

Every single one will be found guilty. The trial judges in Tally need to be investigated, especially Hankinson, He is a mockery of the sytem. He allowed the one trial with an all female jury. The only time he seems to rule favorably in any motion is if it is for a law enforcement officer accused of a crime. He needs to be removed from the bench. That evidence should have been proven to be stale regarding CP on the phone some 16 months later. It should never had been allowed at trial and the defense was never given the opportunity to look into it. That in itself can lead to a mistrial, and that seems to be what has happened here. I am furious as hell about the Tally-Op guys. There is no justice....these guys were guilty as soon as they arrested and the media did not help at all. This is another reason why these cases are not tried fairly. You are not going to get a fair trial when the media has blown this story up like they have in Tally. Tally is the only city that keeps reports/newscasts on the disposition of every single guy arrested. All I can say is shame on you Tallahassee for letting this happen in your community. We only pray that they dont have any more of these illegal stings there, so people, please be careful! Law enforcement is roaming the state arresting people for crimes they never would have committed in the first place. They all have the GOD complex thinking they are above the law and that the public will believe anything they say. I pray for the day when somebody will be held accountable for this miscarriage of justice.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMarch 1, 2013 at 7:15 PM

ONE OF OUR "TROOPS" GAVE US SOME VERY GOOD INFORMATION TODAY! THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BREAK THESE CASES WIDE OPEN. WE WILL NOT TELL YOU WHAT IT IS BUT TRUST US WHEN WE TELL YOU ALL THAT NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO GIVE UP!!!! 

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Prince MachiavelliMarch 2, 2013 at 11:25 AM

I also have a sudden good turn in my case, following a deposition from the investigating officer. This should result in total dismissal of my case because all evidence and statements collected will now be null and void. I will share as soon as the case is dropped. 

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Talkn StangMarch 1, 2013 at 8:24 PM

yea, and in the mean time while we wait, they are planning another sting operation to catch innocent men and the real pervs are out on the street trying to find their next victims at a Barney movie or something. Actions speak louder than words!

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scaredmommaMarch 2, 2013 at 8:01 AM

I just came up with an idea,since due process has alotof the tallyop victims emails,please contact them ,we need to get the families together,we have to protest at the old capitol building,if we can verify how many were found guilty in hankinsons courtroom,and get everyone to go to picket on the old capitol we might get some attention and media coverage brought to light about this judge and kangaroo justice,we need permission i think,i dont know how to go about getting this started,but it will help everyone if we get some attention on this corrupt crap,please reply ,i need assistance to get this going,we need to do it asap!there is a family picketing today for two brothers wrongly convicted of murder.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMarch 2, 2013 at 6:09 PM

OK PEOPLE, YOU HEARD HER!!!! IT'S TIME TO SUBMIT YOUR INFORMATION TO BE A PART OF THIS RALLY!!! IT'S TIME TO COME OUT OF HIDING TO PUT AN END TO THE INTERNET STING!!! NOW IS THE TIME TO STRIKE!!! WE HAVE VERY IMPORTANT EVIDENCE THAT CAN PROVE YOUR INNOCENCE!!!

EVERYONE SUBMIT TO US YOUR INFORMATION AND WE WILL ORGANIZE THE PICKET!!! 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMarch 2, 2013 at 6:15 PM

We have TWO PEOPLE for the rally! EVERYONE ELSE FALL IN!!! 

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scaredmommaMarch 3, 2013 at 2:19 PM

you can count me in,we need to let tallahassee know we are not going away,and that we will seek justice for our wrongly convicted loved ones.i just hope everyone that was involves comes on and does this,if they dont,they wont get my sympathy,if you wont stand up to show you want true justice then you have given up on your rights that were taken from you.just let me know when and where.i hope its a weekend so i got a ride.

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Talkn StangMarch 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM

ok, i just thought of something very interesting. In People v. Aguirre, the California Superior court stated that "the government should not be in the business of testing the will of middle-aged men with sexual ( if improbable) fantasies involving a teenager". So i researched California sex stings since the Aguirre ruling and i havnt found any. Maybe California gets it and ! If somebody can dig into this deeper and get back with me on any Cali stings, let us know. I will figure out how we can maybe use this info to our advantage, but i find that very interesting!

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Talkn StangMarch 9, 2013 at 8:57 AM

people, follow these instructions if you want to make a complaint

go to the DoJ "Employee" or "Program" section of the DoJ complant page (link below) and use assistant US attorney Frank Williams as your complaint. I basically said in the comments that he publicly admitted that these stings were nothing more than a "training exercise" and were being performed for other reason than to coordinate between local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies which amounts to wasteful spending of US taxpayer dollars. I also said that they are using the nature of the crimes, public sentiment, skewed arrest numbers, and the high conviction rate to justify continued funding for a problem that doesnt exist. I went on saying that the DoJ is ultimately responsible and should be held accountable for not having more oversight into these operations. These are serious allegations and need to be looked into without delay.

just change it up a little bit, somebody mention something about tactics and other things we know they are doing wrong or that innocent men are being incarcerated, etc.Try not to cut/paste what i write here, but you can. Something is better than nothing. I will post this on the blog. Also, we need to follow up with a phone call a few days after these are filed. This has to be done or the effort will be in vein.

http://www.justice.gov/oig/hotline/#doj

the address and tel.# for Frank Williams

Gainesville Division

300 East University Avenue

Suite 310

Gainesville, FL 32601

(352) 378-0996

Frank Williams title:

PSC Coordinator

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devotedgfMarch 11, 2013 at 10:16 AM

BROWNSTONE, P.A.

Main Office Headquarters

400 N. NEW YORK AVENUE

SUITE 215

WINTER PARK, FLORIDA 32789

PH: (855) 776.2773 or (855) PRO - APPEAL

FAX: (407) 622.1511

EMAIL: samantha@brownstonelaw.com

any one needing a good lawyer here's one that is understanding and will do their best to help you with this.

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Talkn StangMarch 11, 2013 at 10:05 PM

thank you for posting that info, its always good to know attorneys who are willing to do the right thing 

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aladdinMarch 12, 2013 at 8:54 AM

Robert Sirianni seems great and this is the firm Gary Schwartz recommends for appeals. I just wish I could afford them!

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devotedgfMarch 14, 2013 at 3:50 PM

They will work with you I had to put half down and payments each month but would of gotten a loan somehow to pay them. I would of sold my car or anything else I had to get mine a lawyer. they are straight forward and will be honest with you if they can or can't help you. your welcome talkn stang I might not be able to help a lot but trying to do my part with what I do have to offer.

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aladdinMarch 14, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Yeah I know but after my first round of defense bills I don't even have half down or a job so I can't get a loan not to mention my credit is hosed now. Can't even sell my car because I'm upside down on that loan still and they'll probably repo it in a few months anyway. It's just life as an RSO in the land of the free. 

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Deb PercivalMarch 11, 2013 at 8:15 PM

well...he was kind of 'intimidated' to take a plea...federal court...dropped him off today for self-surrender :-(

our system is so crooked...no victim...he was the victim if anything...the victim to the law enforcement predators...10yrs (well guess it will be 8yrs...)...manipulated, lured and entrapped by crooked law enforcement...

broken system for sure

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Talkn StangMarch 11, 2013 at 10:03 PM

listen....now is the time to blow this thing up. Please file a complaint. i have formally filed a complaint through Sen. Grassley's whistleblowing program. So Deb, please follow the above instructions and file a complaint with the DoJ. The more that do, the better.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMarch 15, 2013 at 6:53 PM

ONE OF "OUR TROOPS" RECENTLY LOST A MOTION TO DISMISS ON OBJECTIVE ENTRAPMENT. However, this is not really the bad news. The bad news is that the judge actually agreed that the procedures were violated but would not rule on it. The Supreme Court warned about this kind of "judiciary discretion" that makes the jury rule on matters of law. The Munoz Court ruled that this was a violation of due process! DUE PROCESS IS DUE!!! 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMarch 15, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Oh, and the prosecutor introduced "evidence of child pornography" at the hearing. DOES THIS SOUND FAMILIAR? IT WAS OF COURSE NOT CHILD PORNOGRAPHY WHICH PROVES THAT THIS IS A WAR AGAINST PORNOGRAPHY AND NOT A WAR AGAINST CHILD PREDATORS!!!! 

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aladdinMarch 16, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Without having gone through the motion this sounds like a chicken s**t judge passing the buck on the issue to an appellate court.

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John JamesMarch 17, 2013 at 8:19 AM

Due, you are on something with the war on porn not predators. It is strange how all of the sudden prosecution is usung porn in these cases now. I feel it is a cover up and we are the ones getting the heat for it. Once again introducing porn the day of court so the defence can't fight it, and more money out the window for the defence. This is total BS. Aladdin, you are right it is chicken S--T, the judge needs some balls and stand for what is right and not allow that kind of crap in court without review from both sides. They are looking for anything to convict so they can get their grant money from the innocent taxpayers. We are the real victims of this non-victim crime and justice should be served in the right way. 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMarch 17, 2013 at 9:14 PM

BE ON THE LOOKOUT PEOPLE! THEY ARE ON TO US AND HAVE BEEN FOR A LONG TIME! It is no coincidence that we have been complaining that the men arrested have no predisposition SO NOW THEY ARE FABRICATING PREDISPOSITION WITH LEGAL PORN. 

For those that don't know, PORNOGRAPHY IS ILLEGAL IN POLK COUNTY and that is who started these illegal stings. Sheriff Grady Judd believes that criminals hide behind the first amendment AND THAT INCLUDES PORNOGRAPHY. This is not a war on child predators but A WAR ON LEGAL PORNOGRAPHY. Think about it, THEY ONLY PERFORM STINGS ON ADULT WEBSITES LOADED WITH LEGAL PORN. 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMarch 15, 2013 at 6:54 PM

WHAT'S UP WITH THIS RALLY! WE WANT TO SEE SOMETHING ON THE NEWS ABOUT IT EVEN IF IT'S JUST ONE PERSON!!! GET TO WORK PEOPLE! 

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scaredmommaMarch 17, 2013 at 6:18 AM

i am wanting to get in on the rally,ill go when its set,did you hear the fbi did a bust on illegal internet cafe crap here,yea that was not what i was hoping for,they busted 54 in it,the lt.governor resigned to,i was hoping they were investigating these illegal stings,but i guess not.its reported those crooks made 34million profit from that crap.i cant believe that is a big deal.the other illegal crap needs checked into also.it was gambling crap.

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John JamesMarch 17, 2013 at 8:22 AM

I have seen were the Lt. Govenor may have charges pending on her as well for the involvment of this crime. I am going to look for that again and post it.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMarch 17, 2013 at 9:29 PM

WE ARE PULLING OUT ALL THE STOPS NOW PEOPLE! THERE IS NO SENSE IN HIDING ANYMORE BECAUSE THE STATE HAS STARTED TO GO TOO FAR BY USING LEGAL PORN TO FABRICATE PREDISPOSITION. 

Therefore, without further a due we will now give you the name of the ICAC training official that stated if the stings violate the operational procedures then they violate due process and Florida law. HIS NAME IS CHARLES SNIPES and he was found through a case handled by ROGER FUTERMAN. 

ROGER IS A CLEARWATER ATTORNEY WHO WON A MOTHER DAUGHTER CL STING AT TRIAL AND USED CHARLES SNIPES AS AN EXPERT WITNESS IN CITRUS COUNTY IN 2010. He was able to convince the jury with the expert testimony of Snipes that law enforcement should not be in the business of testing the virtue of random law abiding citizens. AFTER ALL, THIS IS WHY THE PROCEDURES WERE CREATED BY THE DOJ! 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMarch 17, 2013 at 9:31 PM

PLEASE BE PATIENT AND REALIZE THAT WE KEEP NOTHING FOR "OURSELVES". Remember that "ourselves" INCLUDES YOU! 

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John JamesMarch 18, 2013 at 9:47 PM

Is this Charles Snipes still around and available for anyone else? Was there another trainer or just Snipes? We all could use this guys testimonie if he is available.

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Talkn StangMarch 20, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Ok, i think we are making some headway with this new info....we will figure out how to use this for the cause. In the mean time....Sen. Grassley's investigation into the governments involvement in CP has been reopened! This is an opportune time to attack his office into making our complaint against the DoJ and Operation SafeChildhood. Operation Safe Childhood needs to be halted immediately and our allegations into wasteful spending and illegal tactics need to be investigated. The DoJ has lost all control of what is happening without any kind of oversight! This should halt Florida's stings. I will post more numbers to his office and others within the Sen. Judiciary Committee soon. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. WHILE THEY ARE INVESTIGATING THE CP ISSUE THEY NEED TO LOOK INTO OUR ALLEGATIONS SIMULTANEOUSLY!

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scaredmommaMarch 20, 2013 at 4:18 PM

i see another sting happened,this time volusia county,it was called operation no soliciting.they got 15 guys ages 19-49.tallahassee police and fbi were in on it too it says.when is it gonna stop?tpd spend tax dollars to go to south florida for a sting?why?this is getting out of hand,way more than anything it needs to stop.this monster is growing,not shrinking!

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Talkn StangMarch 20, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Remember, Project Safe Childhood (PSC) is the reason for Florida's "Judd-like" stings. We dont need Rick Scott to cut the head off the dragon so to speak....we need Sen. Grassley. The Senate Judiciary Committee has the power to put a halt to this ridiculousness. Here is our ticket to victory i believe. TRUST ME ON THIS ONE. We have all the ammunition we need now! 

http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/press/press.cfm

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Talkn StangMarch 20, 2013 at 8:12 PM

if there is anything i asked of anyone , its to beat up the Sen. Judiciary Committee and Sen Grassley. The only way to do it is to be a pain in the ass and complain...Call, Email, FAX, telegraph, morse code, magic carpet ride, i dont care, just do it! We cant let this opportunity slip away! If they investigate PSC, its a done deal. We are that close people! NOW IS THE TIME. PLEASEEEEE! Ill ask that everyone thats been involved gets a United States of America Golden Whistle for doing what is right and restoring order. Our voices will finally be heard....although if they would have given us the Golden Whistle before, it woulda been quicker! That is how excited i am about this opportunity.....2 damn years non-stop and i can feel it!

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Serving JusticeMarch 20, 2013 at 10:37 PM

I filed my complaint about 2 weeks ago, hopefully they actually read them and take it seriously. And I hope EVERYONE else is doing the same, you can't whine and pout if you're not doing something about it!

And here's contact info for Charles Snipes:

http://www.hgexperts.com/expert-witness.asp?id=61222

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Talkn StangMarch 21, 2013 at 8:15 AM

words well spoken....thanks for the info

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Serving JusticeMarch 21, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Just like when somebody tells a lie, and they have to tell another and another to cover up that lie and there begins to be holes and gaps in the story, same with these illegal stings. Everybody we need to use our minds to the greatest extent and THINK. There is something whether it's taking a deposition of someone/asking a important question there's SOMETHING we're missing. We already know the procedures which they didn't wan us to find out about but as we've seen they're still fighting. We need to think of something that the prosecutions know they have no chance of winning WHATSOEVER and they drop the case. I bet it's something so simple. We're making progress but I know there is something better out there, I wonder if maybe someone can get in contact with someone who has won this type of case and had a "real" lawyer, and can tell us some important info that helped them beat this?...

@Due Process- Do you think you could maybe see if Ryu Nolin has a facebook, twitter etc. and see if you could get him to help us because I know he had a lawyer who only takes these types of cases and I'm sure his lawyer had some tricks up his sleeve.

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aladdinMarch 21, 2013 at 5:33 PM

Ryu Nolin's attorney was Gary Schwartz and the prosecution filed a nolle prossequi on all charges in open court to prevent the discovery of certain information that Schwartz requested.

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Serving JusticeMarch 23, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Oh and I know that but his attorney takes a lot of these cases I'm sure he had other tactics, I know there looked to be certain things waived, filed etc.

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Serving JusticeMarch 23, 2013 at 9:20 PM

*I* think a good trait to have in general but ESPECIALLY as a lawyer is mild sarcasm. I had a immediate family member who was charged with attempted murder, which they did not commit, and the state had not ONE LICK OF EVIDENCE. We had gotten a very good lawyer (so good that other Public Defenders kept telling us "just wait til her closing statement" which many came in to witness) and I remember her closing statement til this day. One thing she said was "Wait so you mean to tell me these people are trying to convict this man of this crime with no evidence and a drugged up person saying he shot them *she laughs* why are we even here??? And why are you guys using up the government's money to prosecute this?" Then she used an "alphabet tactic" going all the way from A-Z saying how he didn't commit the crime. With that being said it's not what you say but the way you say/present it. So one thing I think we should do is count EVERYTHING law enforcement did unlawfully/unconstitutional (which is relatively high) and I'm going to try to get my attorney to state/ask the judge questions along the line of "the key question in this case is how many things are law enforcement allowed to do wrong before it to be considered entrapment? Is it one (as it should be) 5, 10 etc." and "I don't know if anyone else can but I for the life of me can't figure out how you can catch a CHILD predator on a website restricted to adults only, that baffles my mind." etc. I truly believe that some sarcasm is important. 

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aladdinMarch 24, 2013 at 2:21 PM

You sir make a very valid point. I can't remember it of the top of my head but I know of one case where Schwartz went to trial. The jury acquitted the defendant on the enticement/traveling charges but still found him guilty on 2 way communication if I remember right. I'll try to dig it up again.

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Talkn StangMarch 24, 2013 at 4:40 PM

we need to get Snipes to go to the media somehow....somebody needs to call him and ask him what it would take for him to go public. If he's interested, then we can go from there

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Serving JusticeMarch 24, 2013 at 8:07 PM

True, but we still don't know if he's "working for us" if you will. In the other case they could've made him "cough it up" or he could be completely unbiased and honest, we don't know yet. My attorney says you're not supposed to take a deposition of your "own" people, that we call him to the stand, but I want to know what he has to say first before I let him go up on a stand and possibly ruin why I got him in the first place.

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aladdinMarch 24, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Well as an 'expert for hire' now he would be working for you but I get your point. You'd have a hell of a time getting a refund if he tanks on the stand. I've seen testimony from expert witnesses in other cases where their testimony was actually just a report. At least then you'd know what was in it before it was entered as evidence.

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Serving JusticeMarch 24, 2013 at 8:02 PM

Remember everyone, what "law enforcement" is saying is. When someone tells you something not only on the internet but in LIFE you NEED to believe it..because nobody lies!

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMarch 25, 2013 at 7:29 PM

"CRY HAVOC, AND LET SLIP THE DOGS OF WAR!"

The latest slaughter:

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2013/3/25/teacher_soccer_coach.html 

THEY DIDN'T MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT DATEHOOKUP.COM WHICH IS A DATING SITE FOR ADULTS! THEY ARE PROBABLY LYING ABOUT FACEBOOK AND MYSPACE TOO!!!! 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMarch 25, 2013 at 7:39 PM

THE RADIO SHOW WAS JUST ADDED! Everyone should listen to it that hasn't or listen to it again if you want.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMarch 25, 2013 at 7:44 PM

WHAT IS UP WITH THE RALLY! DID THEY SHOW IT ON THE NEWS? WHERE IS IT!!!! 

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9115accc-95d4-11e2-aa6c-000bcdcb8a73March 25, 2013 at 10:18 PM

YES!!! How do you PROVE belief?...YOU CAN'T! (unless you said you believed it was a minor). This simple question should be HUUUGGGEEE for these cases, BUT that's only if the courts/jurors are unbiased and do their job the correct way, and serve justice.

I want to just say thanks DueProcess for doing all you've done and I will be donating what I can soon.

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9115accc-95d4-11e2-aa6c-000bcdcb8a73March 25, 2013 at 10:23 PM

The comment above this one is "Serving Justice" by the way, stupid Google suspended my account for not having a real name, so I changed to AIM but it's showing up as this weird username. Anyone know how to fix that in AIM?

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Talkn StangMarch 26, 2013 at 12:51 PM

this is a glorious day indeed...thank you to the people that have worked so hard on these stings. We now have a foot in the door and it is just a matter of time. Thanks to all the crew that has dedicated so much time and effort in trying to expose the truth. We are about to succeed!

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/mar/26/3-26-a1-fbi-task-force-cases-in-jeopardy/

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMarch 26, 2013 at 8:38 PM

THE OVERALL JIST OF IT IS TO STOP USING THE FACT THAT THESE ARE NOT ACTUAL MINORS! THAT IS LIKE SAYING THAT YES YOU WANTED TO BUT IT WAS NOT AN ACTUAL MINOR AND IS THE SAME THING AS ADMITTING TO THE CRIME WITHOUT EVEN ASSERTING THE ENTRAPMENT DEFENSE!!!! 

http://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/do-undercover-cops-have-unlimited-power-10566/?utm_source=jds&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=crimlaw

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/mar/26/3-26-a1-fbi-task-force-cases-in-jeopardy/

http://www.einpresswire.com/247pr/293701

http://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/internet-sex-crimes-fact-or-fiction-08887/

http://www.cybercrimelawyerblog.com/2013/02/eleventh_circuit_rejects_entic.html

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aladdinMarch 26, 2013 at 9:54 PM

DueProcess, I don't get what you're trying to say since they aren't talking about an impossibility defense or no actual minor child. 

What they are talking about is a bait and switch craigslist scenario where the defendants were dealing with an adult not a child. The Cosmo case may have just opened the door for 20+ other cases to be ruled ENTRAPMENT which is what everybody wants. 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMarch 27, 2013 at 7:22 PM

We were talking about the sting cases where the guys were trying to say that it was not a real minor. The 11th district case to be exact. 

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9115accc-95d4-11e2-aa6c-000bcdcb8a73March 26, 2013 at 9:05 PM

I agree DueProcess.

@Talkn Stang I hope I'm wrong but I think they're just investigating it because of what the detective did not this situation as a whole or even everywhere.

The best defense we can have is someone on the other side admitting to something unlawful. Just like they want to hear "I knew it was a minor/I was intending on committing a crime" we want to hear them admit guilt. So with that being said I'm not from Tallahassee but I've heard that in some cases the prosecutor has told the media that "we don't use sex because that would open up the door for entrapment" EVERYONE PLEASE see if you can't find a news article or something with the prosecutor/law enforcement saying that so we can use it because they're admitting that solicitation is entrapment!

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aladdinMarch 26, 2013 at 9:44 PM

On the Georgia issue Ken Hillman's behavior was the straw that broke the camel's back. Defense attorneys there have long suspected (known) there were serious problems but were unable to prove it. They have used Hillman's actions as a pry bar to open the door to have all the issues surrounding the stings investigated. Since then they have filed mass motions for full discovery and EVERY circuit judge has recused himself or herself from hearing any of those motions because of the tainted situation. A special conflict free investigatory judge has been appointed to hear the motions.

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9115accc-95d4-11e2-aa6c-000bcdcb8a73March 26, 2013 at 10:26 PM

What I'm saying is how is that gonna affect "us" in Florida (and the rest of the nation) with these illegal tactics. Idk to me they seemed very vague in there discussions, but I guess they have to be right now...Hopefully in the end they get exposed though!

And hmmm never knew you could get a conflict free judge, but if so I'm sure the previous one had to obviously be unfair. With that being said how can you 'judge' if a judge is conflict free?

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aladdinMarch 27, 2013 at 6:29 AM

Precedent and case law is what will help and hopefully the news will raise interest in the local media to start asking questions. There's also the chance this will force the DOJ into more oversight on how task forces operate.

In this instance conflict free means the judge has never been involved with any sting case in any capacity before.

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Raymond JusticeMarch 27, 2013 at 8:38 AM

There is an active sting in tallahassee. They posted the following ad in Panama City to get people to travel

CL > panama city, FL > all personals > casual encounters

Reply srt8r-3706567877@pers.craigslist.org

AnNoyed_n_NeEd Help! - w4m (Tally)

Whats everybody up to over in PC? Got in sum trouble now stuck at da house! UGH.....help!

Location: Tally it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests

Posting ID: 3706567877 Posted: 2013-03-27, 9:37AM EDT

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMarch 27, 2013 at 7:19 PM

IN ORDER FOR A JUDGE TO RECUSE HIMSELF HE MUST KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THE CASE! THE JUDGES THAT DID RECUSE THEMSELVES KNOW THAT THE STINGS ARE ILLEGAL! THEY KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON! 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMarch 27, 2013 at 7:23 PM

The judges that stepped down should be investigated! THEY ONLY DID THAT TO TAKE THE HEAT OFF OF THEM!!!! 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMarch 27, 2013 at 7:32 PM

THIS CASE IS EXACTLY WHAT THE CASES IN FLORIDA AMOUNT TO:

https://efast.gaappeals.us/download?filingId=95bb390f-c00f-41ca-9119-764f8e893d3a

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMarch 27, 2013 at 7:35 PM

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/mar/15/judges-recuse-selves-from-hearing-motions/

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMarch 28, 2013 at 7:11 PM

IMPORTANT UPDATE!!! BACKPAGE.COM IS SUING THE STATE OF FLORIDA!!! THEREFORE, IF SOMEONE YOU KNOW WAS ARRESTED AS A RESULT OF A BACKPAGE STING, THEN THEY NEED TO TAKE ACTION ESPECIALLY WITH THE STINGS BEING SHUT DOWN IN GA. 

In all honesty, anyone that was arrested because of a Craigslist sting should contact them also because it is essentially the same thing as Backpage. 

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John JamesMarch 29, 2013 at 5:37 PM

How do we contact and who should we contact? you are right same same if backpage is sueing why want Craigslist do the same.Just a question that maybe someone could find the answer to. i have sent so many emails to craigslist it is not funny and i am sure i am not the only one that has emailed them, if there is some way we can convence craigslist to fill a lawsuit in the same manner maybe that would help alot of us that got screwed by our beloved state.

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Mina JayApril 3, 2013 at 9:39 AM

I have e-mailed craigslist legal dpt as well as the OKcupid legal dpt. I have not received responses from either one. I would also like to know who to contact as we have another court date quickly approaching.

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Talkn StangApril 12, 2013 at 11:35 AM

you probably wont get a response. i have tried as well. what i can tell you though is that law enforcement is not working with CL, etc. on these stings. At least that is what i can tell from reading depositions 

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WOW!!!! SPEECHLESS!!! 

http://www.safeshare.tv/w/UAGOcLSuLXReplyDelete

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John JamesMarch 29, 2013 at 5:38 PM

Yea this is something else right here. sad but true i think.

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John JamesMarch 29, 2013 at 7:53 PM

here is another way Florida is leading the protect and serve. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/29/sex-assault-hot-line-phone-sex-lake-county-florida_n_2978495.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMarch 30, 2013 at 1:47 PM

BREAKING NEWS!!! 

Law enforcement are fabricating citizen complaints on arrest reports ONLY TO ALSO CLAIM THE INVESTIGATION WAS PROACTIVE. This not only is contradictory but an outright lie!!!

SO DON'T BE SURPRISED THE EXTENT THAT THE STATE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT WILL GO TO GET A CONVICTION ON THESE ALREADY ILLEGAL STINGS. 

So far, the list of lies encompasses:

1. Lying to the public through the media saying the stings are targeting child predators and done on minor oriented, social networking sites.

2. The prosecution using legal porn to fabricate predisposition.

3. Law enforcement hiding the procedures and the importance of their violations.

4. Law enforcement lying on arrest reports about the incidents.

5. Law enforcement doctoring evidence to make the "suspects" look guilty.

6. Law enforcement falsifying citizen complaints on arrest reports to make the sting seem justified. 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMarch 31, 2013 at 8:22 AM

Ok, we stand corrected: the undercover officer lied about the citizen complaint verbally but not on the arrest report.

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John JamesMarch 30, 2013 at 5:58 PM

And thats a fact jack. All they are doing is lie,lie,lie,lie,lie. Its going to be hell to pay when the truth is let out. They have slipped up big time and its going to be great very soon. Due we are on a roll, tune in everyone its going to be huge.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMarch 31, 2013 at 8:05 AM

BREAKING NEWS!!! THE "99 RULE" - 

THERE APPEAR TO BE "HIDDEN RULES" THAT THE PUBLIC ARE NOT AWARE OF.

1. Law enforcement are being trained to use an age of 99 (or the birthdate of an elderly person) BECAUSE CHILD PREDATORS LOOK FOR THESE AGES BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE "PERSON" IS REALLY A CHILD!!!

2. Law enforcement are being trained to believe that children intentionally use ridiculous ages to access adult websites for the purpose of searching for illegal sex.

WE HAVE NOT CONTEMPLATED THESE THINGS SIMPLY BECAUSE IT IS BS!!! 

THEY ARE YET AGAIN TRYING TO MANUFACTURE PREDISPOSITION TO SAVE THE STINGS!!! THEREFORE, THEY MUST KNOW THAT THIS REIGN OF TERROR AND INJUSTICE IS GOING TO COME TO AN END IF THEY DON'T FIX THE PREDISPOSITION ISSUE!!!

"Hard line rules" CANNOT be created that state ALL people who see an age of 99 are child predators if they respond. THIS IS LIKE SAYING ALL PEOPLE THAT DRIVE WILL SPEED OR THAT ALL PEOPLE THAT DRINK WILL DRIVE!!!

Furthermore, IF THE "PREDATOR" KNOWS THAT THE POSTER IS A CHILD THEN THAT MEANS THE "CHILD" KNOWS WHY THEY WOULD PUT AN AGE OF 99!!! THEREFORE, THIS "99 RULE" SUPPORTS THE IDEA THAT IT IS THE "CHILDREN" WHO ARE THE PREDATORS LOOKING FOR ILLEGAL SEX AND LAW ENFORCEMENT CANNOT POSE AS A PROMISCUOUS TEEN LOOKING FOR ILLEGAL SEX WITH RANDOM MEN JUST TO MAKE AN ARREST!!!

Law enforcement better be careful making up non-existent rules to try to solve the lack of predisposition issue because they just might be "digging their own grave" faster by INADVERTENTLY PROVING THAT WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND MORE IMPORTANTLY WHY THEY ARE DOING IT IS ILLEGAL!!! 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMarch 31, 2013 at 8:19 AM

BREAKING NEWS!!! ANOTHER ACQUITTAL - 

IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THE COURTS ARE INTENTIONALLY SENDING MATTERS OF LAW BEFORE A JURY SO THEY DO NOT HAVE TO WRITE AN OPINION ON ENTRAPMENT CREATING PRECEDENCE THAT WOULD SHUT DOWN THE STINGS!!! 

Roger Eric Delacy

http://courtweb.co.sarasota.fl.us/crimapp/crimdetail.asp?case_id=10384255

The attorney was Steven S Leskovich

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9115accc-95d4-11e2-aa6c-000bcdcb8a73March 31, 2013 at 10:21 AM

You know I figured they would try to do that. I was reading through the "old comments" section and there was a story in Canada I believe where they said they had got word that there were minors that were going on craigslist looking for sex which I know is a absolute lie! What would be the best defense for that accusation? Because I'm sure they could easily get someone to write up a fake complaint. The fact of the matter is no citizen while exercising their legal right should have to worry and be thinking about "is a minor on here/is this a minor" on a website that's restricted to adults only!

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMarch 31, 2013 at 9:31 PM

The best defense for that accusation would be to say that they better prove that there was a minor doing this during the sting and that YOU were looking for this minor! 

THIS IS LAW AND NOT A GAME OF CHARADES!!! THE COPS AND PROSECUTORS CANNOT JUST SAY THEY HAVE SOMETHING, THEY BETTER HAVE IT. Furthermore, lets say there is a chance that teens do try to "hookup" with grown men online. THE CHANCES THAT IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME ARE SLIM TO NONE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT ARE USING A "PISS POOR" EXCUSE TO JUSTIFY THE CREATION OF CRIME BECAUSE THESE "MINORS" ARE THE ONES BREAKING THE LAW, NOT THE ADULTS. 

This is not legal advice and we are not attorneys.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMarch 31, 2013 at 9:23 PM

Cosmos vs. State of Georgia case:

http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?page=1&xmldoc=In%20GACO%2020130314184.xml&docbase=CSLWAR3-2007-CURR&SizeDisp=7

This case very well could reach the 11th Supreme Court District!!! 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMarch 31, 2013 at 9:36 PM

EVERYONE SHOULD READ THIS CASE!!! The court admits that the case did not settle well with them. 

ESSENTIALLY THE COURT ADMITTED THAT THEY WERE DISGUSTED BY COSMOS' ACTIONS BUT WERE FORCED TO OVERTURN THE CONVICTIONS AND GRANT A NEW TRIAL!!!!

THIS IS THE TRUE PROBLEM HERE!!! THE PROBLEM IS NOT PROVING THE STINGS ARE ILLEGAL BECAUSE WE HAVE ALREADY DONE THAT!!! The problem is getting the courts to think about justice and not the "sick or immoral" things that the men appear to be talked into by police. 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comApril 1, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Florida Scandal is not promoting the sale of this book but should be a GREAT read! 

The Terror Factory: Inside the FBI's Manufactured War on Terrorism

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1935439618

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comApril 1, 2013 at 7:16 PM

The FBI "terror stings" are similar to the child solicitation stings in the since that the people arrested would have never done anything on their own had it not been for the opportunity and encouragement presented by law enforcement. THIS IS WHAT THE AGUIRRE CASE TALKS ABOUT! 

This is also what the Supreme Court warns about stings: they create the "crime". They state that there will come a time when government stings will create a crime that does not otherwise exist and law enforcement conduct will become so egregious because of this as to totally bar prosecution IN ALL CRIMINAL PROCEEDINGS. THE US SUPREME COURT IS (AND/OR WAS) VERY WISE BECAUSE THE TIME IS HERE! 

Without law enforcement posing as a dealer, there are no buyers to arrest. Without law enforcement posing as a fellow terrorist, there will be no terrorists to arrest. WITHOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT POSING AS A PROMISCUOUS TEEN ON AN ADULT SITE AND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE LEGAL ACTIVITY OF LOOKING FOR CASUAL SEX ONLINE, THERE WILL BE NO "CHILD PREDATORS" TO ARREST.

The point that law enforcement (and the state) are trying to make is that "STINGS ARE NECESSARY". If there were no stings then laws "could not" be enforced "effectively and/or efficiently" and this would prove that the laws are unnecessary and in order to keep these "laws" stings must be used. WITHOUT STINGS THE GOVERNMENT WOULD NOT MAKE ANY MONEY! THUS, THE ENTRAPMENT DEFENSE WAS BORN! 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comApril 2, 2013 at 11:13 AM

http://www.justanswer.com/criminal-law/6qstw-son-picked-sting-operation-florida.html

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comApril 2, 2013 at 9:17 PM

This sounds like what law enforcement do in a sting:

http://www.saveservices.org/2013/04/women-charged-in-fake-rape-claims-following-craigslist-solicitation-for-fantasy-assaults/

It is not clear if Blakely thinks the men who responded to the request for consensual sex are “sadder” than the young woman who actually placed the ad, asked for money for sex, panicked the university community by lying about it, diverted precious police resources looking for an imaginary rapist, blamed her own boyfriend for her actions, and didn’t think the publicity of the rape lie should be a factor in her sentence.

Personally, Ms. Blakely, I don’t think that the “men” deserved a mention in this story. Their acts pale in comparison to a twisted rape lie told by a woman who does not appear to have accepted responsibility for her own misconduct.

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9115accc-95d4-11e2-aa6c-000bcdcb8a73April 2, 2013 at 11:22 PM

OK, LISTEN UP EVERYONE I HAVE AN IDEA...

Everyone should file motions for discovery requesting a list of all the websites targeted during their stings and also the number of arrests for each particular site. They might've set up fake profiles on sites like facebook/twitter etc. if they didn't that just proves our defense even more, if they did utilize those minor oriented sites I guarantee they made no arrests or extremely little compared to the adult sites, which proves our defense as well that legal sex is the underlying factor for why they're making all these illegal arrests. (which also proves the

opinion in the Banks case, that had sex not been used no one knows if sex would have been brought up otherwise)

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comApril 3, 2013 at 10:12 AM

FLORIDA SCANDAL IS NOW A HATE COLUMN!!!

Topic of the day:

ROGUE LAW ENFORCEMENT.

Hate away. LMAO! 

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scaredmommaApril 3, 2013 at 5:53 PM

ok people,if you want this to get attention,we would like to do a little attention getter next week at the tallahassee old capitol building,if you think what has happened to your family,friend,whatever the case maybe,show your support and join us for this,if we dont get at least 12 adults to actually say and go then it will not happen,i can guarentee the wctv news crew will show up,but unless we have a good crowd there it wont happen,please post here if you will show up with a sign or poster,we are trying to come up with things to put onour signs to take,come on we need to get this some much needed attention now.lets see who is willing to stand up for the cause and who is not!

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comApril 3, 2013 at 8:08 PM

YOU HEARD HER PEOPLE!!! We have heard all this before!!! A rally will happen but we need more than three people. GET IT TOGETHER!!! Get in contact with one another or just post the time here so people show up!!! 

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4evermomApril 3, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Sorry guys. Trying to figure this out on how to post. Need to get busy and figure out how to stop these illegal stings. We will be watching our son go off next week for a " you guessed it" 3 years due to the intimidation and bullying of our State prosecutors and what I now consider a circus of our judicial system. I am onboard and ready to fight. I vowed to my son I will not stop until my death to change these laws. My biggest handicap....No money. Spent what i had on legal fees and keeping a roof over my son and his familys heads.

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comApril 3, 2013 at 8:21 PM

THIS SOUNDS LIKE SOMEONE WHO WAS WANTING TO HAVE SEX WITH A MINOR BUT KNOW THE COPS ARE WATCHING AND WERE BEING CAUTIOUS!!! OR A COP THEMSELVES WHO WANTS TO SET UP SOMEONE THAT IS TRYING TO SHUT THEM DOWN!!! JUST WHO THE **** POSTED THIS:

flag [?] : miscategorized prohibited spam best of

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**beware guys*** Dont get trapped ** - w4m - 25 (pensacola)

Beware guys that pensacola P*o*l*i*c*e are doing stings now.almost fell for it but scoped the address earlier than planned to see them getting ready. I have the address and pics if you like. Dont discuss donations or money. After i saw the sting setup, i didnt show but stayed far enough away to see people are planned every 30 minutes. Just be safe guys. None of us need trouble.

Location: pensacola

it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests

Posting ID: 3721367819

Posted: 2013-04-03, 6:49PM EDT

COME FORWARD AND LET US KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!! THE **** IS GETTING REAL NOW!!! POST THE ADDRESS HERE!!! POST IT NOW!!! 

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scaredmommaApril 4, 2013 at 4:25 PM

we cant just show up,if we don't have at least 10 adults there,its for nothing,i for one want to make sure we have at least that many.why waste everyones time for noshows,it will not even get any attention with less that that many.we need to know how many,we are shooting for next week to do this,if your trult gonna go,please just say so .i for one promised my son i would do everything i can,this is my first step toward that,so come on lets do this folks.it won't hurt our loved ones,it will help.

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4evermomApril 4, 2013 at 5:02 PM

We need an actual day to be able to plan. We want to be a part of it for our son but we also are strapped with a court date next week. 

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comApril 4, 2013 at 8:12 PM

This is what you get you sick, twisted, crooked disgrace:

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2013/04/lane_rees_florida_republican_c.php

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DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comApril 5, 2013 at 3:44 PM

"ASL" rule -

Law enforcement have another made up rule that states that if a "suspect" writes "ASL" (Age, Sex, Location) then they are interested in a meeting immediately. THEREFORE, THEY CAN INVITE THE SUSPECT OVER BECAUSE HE ALREADY STATED THAT HE WAS INTERESTED IN A MEETING BY STATING "ASL". 

WHO CAME UP WITH THIS ****!!!!?

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LMApril 9, 2013 at 8:35 PM

But wait....in my sons chat log he says hi to an officer with no age in their profile....then the officer 25 minutes later enquires ASL? So with their rule the officer was enticing by making it known that he wanted to meet? I'm sure there is another rule they have to cover that one too.

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Prince MachiavelliApril 10, 2013 at 9:35 AM

Here is a recent conviction of a guy that was caught in a craigslist sting here in panama city. They gave him 5 years in prison. I encourage you all to leave comments on the article. None have been made so far

http://www.wjhg.com/home/headlines/Solliciting-a-Man-Gets-a-Man-5-Years-in-Prison-201689111.html

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9115accc-95d4-11e2-aa6c-000bcdcb8a73April 10, 2013 at 12:36 PM

GOOD NEWS...I hope...After about a month, the DOJ actually emailed me back in response to my complaint, stating they would have to send it to the appropriate department (OJJDP) to review, so at least they've contacted me back which honestly I thought they weren't gonna do. EVERYONE PLEASE flood in complaints to the OJJDP their contact info is: Department of Justice/Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention/810 Seventh St NW/Washington, DC 20531/202-307-5911.

And also EVERYONE in Tallahassee that's involved in this, or has loved ones involved in this, PLEASE go to the rally they're planning. If I even stayed in a city near, Tallahassee I would definitely go. And please write something on the posters to let people know this is a problem EVERYWHERE in Fla. not just Tally. Remember if we don't stand up for us, no one else will. Keep working hard everyone I truly believe our day of justice is coming soon!

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Talkn StangApril 11, 2013 at 1:20 AM

listen...very important here. I didnt want to post this here, but i need someone who has been arrested in a Florida sting that meets the criteria below to get ahold of myself or DueProcess ASAP. You can email me at Talknstang@yahoo.com

Is under the age of 30

Is well-spoken

Is willing to put his face out there to defend himself

Whose mother is willing to talk about how her son is the “dateless/desperate” victim and not a predator.

I will explain details later, but as i said this is very important

That is awesome you actually heard something back from the DoJ

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Raymond JusticeApril 12, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Looks like the Tally Cops are up to it again

Reply qqps7-3737479192@pers.craigslist.org flag [?] : miscategorized prohibited spam best of Posted: 2013-04-11,4:13PM EDT

I like grape soda.... - w4m - 99 (Tally)

Hi all! Im looking for a cool guy or girl to get to know! I love to joke around and make people laugh and be siilly. I love sports and music but u probly done care about all of that :) If ur interested make sure u put ur favorite drink in ur reply so i know ur real!!

Location: Tally it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests

Posting ID: 3737479192 Posted: 2013-04-11, 4:13PM EDT email to a friend

Please report suspected exploitation of minors to the appropriate authorities

CL > tallahassee > all personals > casual encounters

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Raymond JusticeApril 12, 2013 at 11:52 AM

This is deffinately a trap.....they responded back to my Clean email saying they are 12 years old

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Raymond JusticeApril 12, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Another ad in tally....they are in full force sting mode

Reply sf7nv-3739396200@pers.craigslist.org flag [?] : miscategorized prohibited spam best of Posted: 2013-04-12, 2:50PM EDT

Yung New and Curious - m4m - 99 (Tally)

I'm curious about myself and wanna try something but no one can know, I'm not out

Location: Tally it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests

Posting ID: 3739396200 Posted: 2013-04-12, 2:50PM EDT email to a friend

Please report suspected exploitation of minors to the appropriate authorities

CL > tallahassee > all personals > casual encounters

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John JamesApril 12, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Even the wording of this one sounds like a minor, they are etting sloppy. I have found out if they use words like yung 99 or even sometimes no age givin than that is what it is. A BOLD FACE LIEING STING. There are more words they use, I can't remember them right off the top of my head. I did hear yesterday that Tally was going to start another one soon, so yea i guess it has started. So be very careful. It would be nice if we could post an ad to warn the guys over there.

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Raymond JusticeApril 13, 2013 at 6:03 AM

I posted a couple of ads warning people, but they got flagged within an hour. The cops emailed me and told me to leave them alone, after I hammered them with how illegal their sting is

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Talkn StangApril 15, 2013 at 8:11 AM

what did they say in those emails? i'd like to see those if you could get them to me. Just be careful.....we just dont know how bad they have the "God complex", but we do know that they are not properly determining who does or doesnt fit the profile of a predator. They are not doing their job and they are creating criminals. They know exactly what they are doing is wrong, and that is criminal conspiracy in itself.

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Talkn StangApril 12, 2013 at 6:15 PM

what we have here is ROGUE LAW ENFORCEMENT. It is like a bad disease.......but a disease that is about to be remedied! So if you are a ROGUE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER reading this, you are the criminal....have a glorious day!

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Cautiouswatcher12April 12, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Current Sting going on in Gainesville Be Careful

Poppin Tags..... - w4m - 97 (Lake City)

Hi! :) its Friday and Im bored :( I love 2 listen 2 music and I LOVE the song about goodwill but u dont care about that haha I dont want 2 spend Friday night in my grandpas clothes with a broken keyboard! If you wanna talk send me a message n put ur favorite song in it so I know ur real :P

Location: Lake City

it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests

Posting ID: 3739971910 Posted: 2013-04-12, 7:28PM EDT email to a friend

Please report suspected exploitation of minors to the appropriate authorities

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Cautiouswatcher12April 12, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Has been conformed that it is a cop sting they said they are 12 years old

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Talkn StangApril 12, 2013 at 8:53 PM

dont take any unnecessary risks. We know they will make an arrest even if you dont show up. 

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Raymond JusticeApril 13, 2013 at 6:07 AM

Deffinately....keep your conversations clean. I tryto get as much info as I can without any sexual remarks. I simply as, whybis someone so youn on an adult website?

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Darnell PriceApril 13, 2013 at 10:47 AM

I read your blog very well and here is given nice about the adult classifieds and advise for you keep it up in future.

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Cautiouswatcher12April 13, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Here is another one that they are running

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I am looking for an experienced individual that can provide assistance in a discreet situation. Must be DDF. Please respond with a random word in the reply so that I know you are real to get further details.

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Please report suspected exploitation of minors to the appropriate authorities

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Justice MyersApril 14, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Also another defense for inducement, the "bait and switch" tactic derived from companies INDUCING consumers by offering advertising to good to pass up deals to get people in the door, once they did they would switch the product to something more expensive to hopefully make the sale. Just in case for some reason case law doesn't work I would throw that in there.

Also, PLEASE people of Tallahassee make this rally happen! If you can't get people on here to show up it shouldn't be that hard to convince family, and friends to show up. All you need is a good number of ANYBODY holding up signs. If you have grown children, GET THEM TO GO, get your friends, cousin, co-workers etc. whoever you can to go. DON'T JUST DEPEND ON THE PEOPLE ON THIS SITE! I know you guys will get media. And the reason it's so important, is yes, to get the word out BUT law enforcement will most likely want to get on the news to try and defend themselves, and that's a good thing because they continue to prove our point when they speak! I've been searching for a new article or something with them saying they can't use sex because that could open the door for entrapment...DO YOU REALIZE HOW IMPORTANT THAT WOULD BE IF WE COULD GET THAT (or something similar) OUT OF THEIR MOUTHS?!?! Put clever things on the posters! You guys really need to do that like ASAP, stop waiting. I wish I lived in Tally you wouldn't have to tell me twice, I'd be there every day! Not only is it good to get the word out but it's also an extremely clever tactic!

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Talkn StangApril 16, 2013 at 11:36 AM

hey people....we kind of forgot about the petition...lets get it completed. It is almost there so spread the word to family and friends. It shouldnt take any time to get the remaining signatures and this would be really good timing for it to be completed

http://www.change.org/petitions/florida-gov-scott-dept-of-justice-us-congress-pres-of-the-us-pardon-all-people-arrested-and-coviction-of-internet-sex-stings

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Talkn StangApril 17, 2013 at 2:46 PM

i am still looking for that "perfect" case. If you or somebody you know was involved with a sting, please contact me at talknstang@yahoo.com so we can proceed. The more options i have, the better and i will explain what is going on!

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freedom070476April 18, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Does anyone know if the FL ACLU has ever been requested to assist or provide an opinion on these Internet "stings"?

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Talkn StangApril 19, 2013 at 4:21 PM

yes, we filed a grievance last may but they turned us down due to a lack of resources

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Talkn StangApril 19, 2013 at 4:23 PM

keep that petition going....down to 30 left. There may be some really good news today coming out of the 5th DCA...will keep you posted as we find out more

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scaredmommaApril 19, 2013 at 4:38 PM

hey,another sting went down,20 arrested in tallahassee,operation april fools.one came from alabama.one was a leon county cop.it sure makes everybody look so bad,every sting makes the sheep think everyone is a pervert.wctv had lots of comments about it too.people will never ever learn to stay off those sites.

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Talkn StangApril 20, 2013 at 11:01 AM

it seems it wont let me post on the WCTV article unless my comment is being moderated first, but it has disappeared

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Talkn StangApril 20, 2013 at 11:39 AM

i like this comment i made The truth about these type operations will be known soon enough. You have to remember, Florida is now the "Pedophile Capital of the US". and there is a reason for that and it is not because pedophiles are moving to Florida because of the wonderful opportunities this state offers, lol

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Talkn StangApril 20, 2013 at 3:58 PM

some not so good news....it looks as if the 1stDCA has just issued PCA's on a few sting appeals. It seems as if they are not wanting to get their hands dirty on this issue and that is unfortunate! This is TOTAL BS. What a failure at all levels of our judicial system thusfar

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Justice MyersApril 21, 2013 at 12:06 AM

I HAVE WHAT I THINK IS A GREAT IDEA.

First let me say that I'm a "outside of the box" thinker, so this may not be for everyone.

What I think would be smart, is to have your attorney say to the judge/jury is "if someone poses as an adult by going on an adult site which you have to agree you are an adult, posts an adult age, sends an unarguably adult picture, if after ALL those things you think a reasonable person would still ONE HUNDRED PERCENT believe they were talking to a child, THE DEFENDANT HAS PERSONALLY ADVISED ME TO TELL YOU TO CONVICT HIM."

Now what that does is say that you, as the defendant, believe so strongly and wholeheartedly in your defense that you're willing to put yourself on the line. AND all those deceitful things prove the entrapment statute that "such crime will be committed by a person other than one who is ready to commit it."

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Justice MyersApril 21, 2013 at 12:09 AM

Also does anyone have an article or something where the attorney Frank Williams said it's for training?

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Talkn StangApril 21, 2013 at 9:32 AM

yes i do....he doesnt say training, but he does say they are performing stings for no other reason than to coordinate between local, state and federal law enforcement agencies

http://www.alligator.org/news/local/article_995d8298-51c3-11e1-b651-0019bb2963f4.html

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Talkn StangApril 21, 2013 at 9:24 PM

i am going to repost this again...IF YOU WANT TO STOP THESE STINGS THE QUICKEST WAY POSSIBLE, I NEED THIS. I have the rest all setup, damn people!

.very important here. You can email me at Talknstang@yahoo.com

Is under the age of 30

Is well-spoken

Is willing to put his face out there to defend himself

Whose mother is willing to talk about how her son is the “dateless/desperate” victim and not a predator.

I will explain details later, but as i said this is very important

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Patricia SmithApril 23, 2013 at 11:25 PM

My son was arrested in this operation april fools sting. He went to a dating site called datehookup.com. He was talking to what he thought was an adult and after they exchanged phone numbers and started texting each, he sent a picture of his privates. After that the person told him they were 14 yr old. He stopped talking to them and them on april 9th the person texted him first and they texted a few minutes with thing that probably shouldn't have been said. All the sudden on April 18th I had about 15 officers in. my yard. He was talked to by a detective and told them he did send the picture. They have charged him with 2 felonies, unlawful use of a two way communication, and harmful material sent to a minor. My son is 21 yr old, had only had 1 girlfriend in his life. He is very shy and doesn't have alot of confidence. I am disabled and have no money for an attorney and I'm terrified that all this could make him suicidal. He spent 2 days in jail and we have to go to arraignment. He said he almost went crazy while he was in jail. If anyone had any suggestions of what I need to do please email me at trisha31778@yahoo.com Thanks

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Justice MyersApril 23, 2013 at 11:43 PM

Due Process is everything ok, haven't heard from you in a while. I know you may be busy with your own life but just wondering if everything's alright...

@Patricia Smith- Read this ENTIRE website from top to bottom, all the links as well. Very informative information, and very important information.

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Justice MyersApril 23, 2013 at 11:44 PM

And WHAT'S UP WITH THE RALLY PEOPLE?!?!? Do you really want to make a change???

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Talkn StangApril 24, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Ok, i just reached out to her so hopefully she will respond. The more choices we have the better. Also, if you are not aware, there was one confirmed suicide yesterday by someone who had been caught in a sting in 2011, Richard Gamez. Then there is the missing Nathaniel Wilkins who was first reported to have committed suicide yesterday and now we have a Richard Barnes who was caught in a sting who mysteriously died last month when he didnt show up to court. That would mean 4 possible suicides in the span of one year. This is disgusting and something will be done....mark my word

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Talkn StangApril 24, 2013 at 9:47 AM

and please nobody freak out about my last post. It is a serious cause for alarm though. This should not be happening and i pray that these guys cases will be reviewed with a microscope for any wrongdoings by law enforcement and i am pretty sure there will be many. We are looking into it!

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  Talkn StangApril 24, 2013 at 8:46 PM
  Not to worry people, the comments are in the old comment section, lol. Tomorrow is an important day for us i do believe. Keep the faith
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  Talkn StangApril 24, 2013 at 9:05 PM
  update, the most recent comments are not viewable at this time....we will have em back up under another "old comment" tab soon......everything is OK
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  Talkn StangApril 26, 2013 at 1:19 PM
  they can falsify my arrest report, and they can lie to the public, but i'll be damned if they can break my spirit and determination to expose the truth. That day is coming soon!
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  RALLY PEOPLE!!! THE TIME IS NOW, YOU CAN'T BE AFRAID. Your face is only a few clicks and links away anyways. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE go to the rally, your life depends on it!!! "We" have the proof, and most importantly the opportunity, take it!
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  scaredmommaApril 26, 2013 at 4:30 PM
  what rally?when and where?
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  wrongfully accusedMay 2, 2013 at 3:52 AM
  I go today to plead not guilty before a jury trial on my arrest in a sting.. I traveled to meet an adult not a child like they say and I did not try to gain consent for anything they consented without my request.. prayers please as I go to try to get case dismissed before going to jury decision.. didn't take the deal they already tried throwing at me.. if I make it out will let you know how it went.. never stop fighting against cops committing crime to find non criminals
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  aladdinMay 2, 2013 at 10:31 PM
  Good luck!
  
  illegitimis non carborundum
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMay 3, 2013 at 8:55 AM
  Yes there is a serious problem when 78 people get arrested for the same thing in four days and it's not because the people are criminals. IT IS BECAUSE THE POLK COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE THINKS THAT THEY ARE ABOVE THE CONSTITUTION AND CAN CREATE CRIME JUST TO ARREST INNOCENT PEOPLE. Visit Florida Scandal for another type of internet sting that people are afraid to question.
  
  
  Grady Judd thinks he is above the constitution. Grady Judd thinks that criminals hide behind it. Grady Judd thinks that it is law enforcement to create a crime just to arrest someone for "committing it". GRADY JUDD IS GOING DOWN AND THE STATE OF FL WITH HIM! Hello Attorney General, are you ready for your laxative?
  
  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/15/78-people-arrested-prostitution-florida_n_2479005.html
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  Talkn StangMay 5, 2013 at 6:41 AM
  remember, prostitution is illegal.....going online looking to meet somebody from the "adult encounter" section of Craigslist is not
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  freedom070476May 4, 2013 at 12:11 PM
  What happened to the old comments?
  
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  Talkn StangMay 4, 2013 at 2:58 PM
  we will put them back up under another tab, sorry about that!
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  freedom070476May 5, 2013 at 4:37 AM
  Thanks. I was looking for the name of the Florida Legislator who was/is responsible for the current statutes that are being used to convict people in these highly questionable "stings".
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMay 5, 2013 at 8:52 AM
  Broad Reach and NOT ENTRAPMENT -
  
  Since entrapment is a "dirty phrase" that the judicial system does not like to use then we can just word it differently. This is why the stings are illegal: The guilty knowledge (mens rea) MUST BE joined with the criminal act. Because we are talking about the internet and un-prediposed "passerby's" ON AN ADULT SITE WHERE ADULTS ARE LOOKING FOR SEX, there is no way to prove that the mens rea existed with the actus reus (criminal act) or even that the act is criminal in the first place. The sexual conversations that occur on the adult sites do not occur during a sting because the undercover officers say they are minors. They occur because they were already occurring and law enforcement are using the "heckler's veto" that is talked about in Williams and Reno. They are merely stating that they are a minor when the other person has no actual knowledge that the other person is a minor and, in fact, IS NOT A MINOR! Therefore, THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE CHILD SOLICITATION STATUTE IN THE STINGS AT ISSUE VIOLATE DUE PROCESS AND FREE SPEECH!
  
  While it may be true that the "target" may come to actually believe that the other person "is a minor", they did not come to believe that at the same time as the "criminal acts" in question. This of course is the worst case scenario but we have found that what happens most of the time is that the men never believe that they are really conversing with minors AND ONLY SHOW UP TO SEE WHO THE PERSON IS! The guilty "knowledge" will never exist with the "criminal act" until the "target" has actual, physical proof that they are conversing with a minor. Because we are talking about the internet, this physical proof DOES NOT include a photograph or the undercover simply stating they are a minor. THESE THINGS DO NOT GIVE ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE ON THE INTERNET. THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD GIVE ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE IS TO SEE THE "MINOR" IN PERSON. Therefore, in order to be actually guilty of these crimes charged in an internet sting, the police MUST use a decoy that looks like a minor TO FIND OUT THE ACTUAL CRIMINAL INTENT OF THE "TARGET". If the man still would want to pursue the "minor" for sex after he "sees the minor exists", THEN AND ONLY THEN CAN HE BE GUILTY.
  
  Wegner v. State, 2D04-2486
  
  At common law, the general rule was that guilty knowledge or mens rea was a required element in the proof of every crime.   It was necessary that the act or omission be joined with the mental intent to commit a crime.   United States v. United States Gypsum Co., 438 U.S. 422, 436, 98 S.Ct. 2864, 57 L.Ed.2d 854 (1978);  United States v. Balint, 258 U.S. 250, 251, 42 S.Ct. 301, 66 L.Ed. 604 (1922).  “In fact, the United States Supreme Court ‘has on a number of occasions read a state-of-mind component into an offense even when the statutory definition did not in terms so provide.’   Moreover, because of the strength of the traditional rule that requires mens rea, offenses that require no mens rea are generally disfavored.”  Giorgetti, 868 So.2d at 515 (quoting United States Gypsum, 438 U.S. at 437, 98 S.Ct. 2864).   Often, the disfavor is due to a violation of the Due Process Clause, which incorporates the principle that the state is required to prove an accused guilty of all essential elements of a crime beyond a reasonable doubt.  Amend. XIV, U.S. Const.;   see also art. I, § 9, Fla. Const.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMay 5, 2013 at 10:33 AM
  Michael John Simmons vs. State, SC04-2375.
  
  Judge Browning concurred with the majority on the constitutionality of section 847.0135, but dissented as to section 847.0138. Judge Browning found that the transmission statute was not narrowly tailored to serve a compelling state interest, is void for vagueness and overbreadth, and violates the Commerce Clause. Simmons, 886 So. 2d at 407-14 (Browning, J., concurring in part and dissenting in part).
  
  However, the state may regulate the content of constitutionally protected speech in order to promote a compelling interest if it chooses the least restrictive means to further the articulated interest. See United States v. Playboy Entm’t Group, Inc., 529 U.S. 803, 813 (2000); Sable Commc’ns, 492 U.S. at 126.
  
  GOING TO AN ADULT WEBSITE POSING AS A PROMISCUOUS TEEN IS NOT THE LEAST RESTRICTIVE WAY! THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE STATUTE, IT IS HOW IT IS ENFORCED!
  
  In doing so, however, the means must be narrowly tailored to achieve that end so as not to unnecessarily deny adults access to material which is constitutionally protected indecent material. No similar tailoring is required when the material is obscene material, which is not protected by the First Amendment. See Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coal., 535 U.S. 234, 244-45 (2002).
  
  A criminal law may violate due process if it fails to give a potential offender fair notice that his contemplated conduct is forbidden or if it encourages arbitrary enforcement and gives the police too much discretion in determining whether it is applicable to a particular individual. When the law fails these tests, it is “void for vagueness.” Papachristou v. City of Jacksonville, 405 U.S. 156, 162 (1972).
  
  THERE IS NO CONTEMPLATED CONDUCT IN AN INTERNET STING! THE MEN DO NOT CONTEMPLATE THAT THEY WILL BE INTERACTING WITH MINORS! THEREFORE, THE STATUTES ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL AS APPLIED!
  
  Because of its imprecision, a vague statute may also invite arbitrary or discriminatory enforcement. See Southeastern Fisheries, 453 So. 2d at 1353. A statute is not void for vagueness if the language conveys a “sufficiently definite warning as to the proscribed conduct when measured by common understanding and practices.” Hitchcock v. State, 413 So. 2d 741, 747 (Fla. 1982) (quoting United States v. Petrillo, 332 U.S. 1, 8 (1947)). However, the Supreme Court has indicated that a statute that lends itself to arbitrary enforcement can be void for vagueness even if it gives fair notice of what conduct it prohibits. See Kolender v. Lawson, 461 U.S. 352, 358 (1983) (stating that the “more important aspect of the vagueness doctrine is not actual notice, but the . . . requirement that a legislature establish minimal guidelines to govern law enforcement”) (internal quotation marks omitted). Further, the need for definiteness is even greater when the ordinance imposes criminal penalties on individual behavior or when it implicates constitutionally protected rights.
  
  IT IS NOT COMMON UNDERSTANDING NOR COMMON PRACTICE THAT MINORS LOOK FOR SEX WITH ADULTS ON THE INTERNET.
  
  
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMay 5, 2013 at 10:34 AM
  Additionally, the statute incorporates a knowledge element, requiring the sender to actually know or believe that the recipient of the communication is a minor who is located in Florida. § 847.0138(1)(a), (2)-(3).
  
  THAT IS THE STATUTES "LOOPHOLE" AND SO IT IS OURS TOO! THE KNOWLEDGE REQUIREMENT UNDER THE CURRENT STING SCENARIO CANNOT BE MET THEREBY MAKING IT UNCONSTITUTIONAL AS APPLIED.
  
  The Supreme Court noted that “there are a number of plausible, less restrictive alternatives to the statute,” including blocking and filtering software which would “impose selective restrictions on speech at the receiving end, not universal restrictions at the source.”
  
  HOW DO YOU FILTER OUT AN UNDERCOVER OFFICER ON AN ADULT WEBSITE TRYING TO CREATE A CRIME!
  
  Statutes that are facially neutral but impose an incidental burden on interstate commerce are analyzed under the Pike balancing test, which provides:
  
  Where the statute regulates even-handedly to effectuate a legitimate local public interest, and its effects on interstate commerce are only incidental, it will be upheld unless the burden imposed on such commerce is clearly excessive in relation to the putative local benefits. If a legitimate local purpose is found, then the question becomes one of degree. And the extent of the burden that will be tolerated will of course depend on the nature of the local interest involved, and on whether it could be promoted as well with a lesser impact on interstate activities.
  
  WHAT KIND OF LOCAL BENEFIT CAN BE HAD FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO SOLICIT RANDOM LAW ABIDING MEN FOR SEX ON ADULT WEBSITES? NONE! MOREOVER, THE STATUTES CAN BE ENFORCED IN A WAY THAT DOES NOT HAVE SUCH A SEVERE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY THAT WOULD NOT ENCROACH ON THEIR RIGHTS TO FIND SEX ONLINE.
  
  In contrast, the court identified a number of burdens on interstate commerce: the chilling effect of the statute was bound to exceed actual cases likely to be prosecuted; Internet users would either have to self-censor or risk prosecution, which would impose an unreasonable restriction on interstate commerce; and the costs associated with trying to comply with the statutory defenses would be excessive. Id. at 179-80.
  
  SINCE THE WAY THE STINGS ARE PERFORMED FORCES "TARGETS" TO "SELF-CENSOR" THEIR OWN COMMUNICATION TO SOMEONE CLAIMING TO BE A MINOR ALSO INTERESTED IN SEX, IT VIOLATES THE COMMERCE CLAUSE. WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO SENSOR OUR OWN SPEECH WHEN THAT SPEECH SERVES THE LEGITIMATE AND LEGAL PURPOSE OF LOOKING FOR SEX ONLINE!
  
  Because “[f]urther development of the Internet requires that users be able to predict the results of their Internet use with some degree of assurance,” the court struck down the New York statute as a violation of the Commerce Clause. Id. at 183.
  
  THE PREDICTED RESULT OF USING AN ADULT SITE IS TO FIND AN ADULT TO HAVE SEX WITH AND THAT THE USERS ON THE SITE WILL BE USING INDECENT AND OBSCENE SPEECH. THEREFORE, AND YET AGAIN, AS APPLIED THE STATUTES ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
  
  
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMay 5, 2013 at 10:34 AM
  As the district court explained in Pataki...
  
  Nor can a participant in a chat room prevent other participants from a particular state from joining the conversation...
  
  WE CANNOT PREVENT SOMEONE FROM JOINING THE ADULT SITE THAT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE. YET AGAIN, THIS PROVES THE STATUTES ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL AS APPLIED.
  
  The court noted that “Internet speakers have no practical, reliable means of determining the geographic location of the recipients of their online communications” nor any way of “ensuring their communications are not accessed in a certain geographic location.” Id. at 787.
  
  NOR CAN PEOPLE ENSURE THAT THEIR ONLINE COMMUNICATIONS ARE NOT VIEWED BY ACTUAL MINORS DESPITE THE FACT THAT EVERYONE SAYS THAT THEY ARE, AND ARE SUPPOSED TO BE, ADULTS. THIS PROVES THE IMPORTANCE THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO VIOLATE THE TERMS OF USE OF A WEBSITE!
  
  Furthermore, the Florida transmission statute provides that the sender who transmits the e-mail containing material that is harmful to minors must either know or believe that the specific individual who is the recipient of the e-mail is a minor located in Florida. § 847.0138(3).
  
  Simmons also challenges Florida’s luring statute as violating the Dormant Commerce Clause. The First District rejected this challenge with citation to its prior opinion in Cashatt v. State, 873 So. 2d 430 (Fla. 1st DCA 2004). In Cashatt, the First District found no violation under the Pike balancing test. Id. at 436. The court reasoned that “[t]he state has a compelling interest in protecting minors from being seduced to perform sexual acts, and no legitimate commerce is burdened by penalizing the transmission of harmful sexual material to known minors in order to seduce them.” Id. The court found the effect of the luring statute on interstate commerce to be “incidental at best” and “far outweighed by the state’s interest in preventing harm to minors.” Id. Finally, the court found that the statute does not burden Internet users with inconsistent state regulations because the “intent to seduce” element narrows the scope of the statute. Id.
  
  SO IF THE INTENT TO SEDUCE LIES WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AND NOT THE "TARGETS" THEN THE STATUTE IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL AS APPLIED!
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMay 5, 2013 at 10:35 AM
  You can give us ANY case that says the FL statutes on child solicitation are constitutional and we WILL rip it apart!
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  freedom070476May 5, 2013 at 2:27 PM
  Does anyone know of a FL case that's ultimately challenged the constitutionality of the FL statutes. It appears to me no one is willing to challenge it in court.
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  aladdinMay 5, 2013 at 2:56 PM
  Karwoski v. State, 867 So. 2d 486 - Fla: Dist. Court of Appeals, 4th Dist. 2004
  
  Cashatt v. State, 873 So. 2d 430 - Fla: Dist. Court of Appeals, 1st Dist. 2004
  
  Simmons v. State, 886 So. 2d 399 - Fla: Dist. Court of Appeals, 1st Dist. 2004
  
  Simmons v. State, 944 So. 2d 317 - Fla: Supreme Court 2006
  
  
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  aladdinMay 5, 2013 at 3:07 PM
  This link "should" take you to a bunch of case law directly concerning FS 847.0135:
  
  FS 847.0135 case law
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  4evermomMay 5, 2013 at 9:29 PM
  Correct. NO ONE will challenge it. You can't get a fair trial. You are presumed guilty from the get go and will be until you leave this world. They should have your Scarlet letter ready for you to pin on the minute you are first arrested.I have talked to so many who are either out on multiple appeals or in due to taking a plea. My son was strongly encouraged to plea. Entrapment defense doesnt fly in our courts in Florida. He is in Prison fearing his well being mentally and physically. We still pray someone will find a way to get these men out. In the meantime we will do our part to research/educate/encourage all those involved. Thank you to those of you on here that have obviously spent countless hours doing research. If nothing else it encourages us ti keep fighting for Justice in a place where it seems Justice doesnt exist. My next direction is to make sure my sons humanitarian rights in prison are not violated. That should keep me busy!
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  Justice MyersMay 5, 2013 at 10:56 PM
  I don't mean harm to anyone who's loved one has been convicted of this crap, but honestly I think the reason there's so many convictions is because no one is taking on the NECESSARY defense. I don't think I've seen anyone show the judge/jury what evil, manipulative, money hungry people law enforcement is. I know there's some people who already see us as guilty, but I also believe some people have hearts and are willing to hear both sides. They're gonna make us look like the devil we have to make them look 10x worse! I advise EVERYONE to find a local news article pertaining to your case and show the judge/jury how they've sat there and blatantly lied to THEIR FACES about what happened. We all know once you tell one lie in court, everything you say from then on is suspect, I know that I don't like to be lied to! But I know the problem in many cases is those damn public defenders who don't give a damn, and don't FIGHT. I wish I could fight these cases I swear they wouldn't stand a chance! I think if the jury sees just what happened and the REASONING behind it, that WOULD change things, I don't see anyone bringing that up in court. I think public defenders are afraid to take these people on, or are getting something from it. Bring up the things that MAKE THEM LOOK EVIL, just like they are doing.
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  Talkn StangMay 8, 2013 at 11:53 AM
  the biggest problem anyone faces that got caught up in a sting is that all these local, federal, and state law enforcement agencies are all collaborating and planning these stings well in advance and the courts know this so it is a "win-win" for the state and creates such an unfair advantage to any defense! They are not catching the true predators...its all about free money and skewing statistics. These stings are nothing more than training exercises that are putting innocent men behind bars and the judicial system has been anything but fair! The truth will be exposed!
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  Justice MyersMay 12, 2013 at 8:51 PM
  WHAT'S GOING ON?!?! IT SEEMS LIKE NO ONE CARES ABOUT THIS BLOG ANYMORE...
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  Patricia SmithMay 13, 2013 at 11:42 PM
  I just wanted to make a comment about these stings the cops are doing. They go to these adult web sites trying to trap men that are innocent. I believe that if the cops need to go to any web sites, it should be web sites with actual real minors, and get the perverts that are purposely on a teen site looking to hook up with underage girls. That would be looking out for these kids and not trapping all these men that were looking to get to meet adult women. My son is waiting for his court date and hopefully with prayer we can get these charges dropped. Good luck to all that are dealing with this same stuff.
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  Justice MyersMay 14, 2013 at 8:14 AM
  Well NINETY-TWO(92!!!) more people's lives have been ruined by another illegal sting! This time prostitution, but still the same thing, targeting and ensnaring innocent people. This shit has to stop ASAP!!! Law enforcement are sick, disgusting human beings who don't give a damn about other people's lives. They will not stop until they can lock up every man in Florida
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  Havana WebsolutionsMay 14, 2013 at 8:18 AM
  Hi everyone.. I was arrested on the sting in sarasota on february this year. I had to say that i dont have idea how this is even legal. I just responded an ad on craiglist to a general woman looking too talk. When they told me the age i said i cant talk to you and they kept coming at me over and over again. Enticing to come to see the person. The thing is they are asking me 6 years. I have never been in any problem wih law, im a family guy and dont know what to do. Every place i read online looks like we dont stand a chance on court. The public already belive we are guilty and we are looking for underage to have sex. And they need to know he true. But how can we expose this? Any ideas what my lawyer could do to help me out.? I dont see a light at all is all dark in my life now. Thanks yo all those are letting their voices hear out.
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  Justice MyersMay 14, 2013 at 12:47 PM
  First off don't take the plea! I advise you to read this website from top to bottom and write down important things like case law etc. anything that will help your case. I also advise you to find a news article/video on your sting and show the courts how they've blatantly lied about what had happened, showing that they are liars and only want to make you appear guilty will help. Also look at all the old comments on the blog they are very helpful, it's your decision but I don't think you should give up, fight for your freedom. If you have a paid lawyer that's great, they'll most likely do what you ask. Have your lawyer file a motion to receive the operational procedures that law enforcement has to abide by when conducting the sting. Also I would have him file a motion for all the websites that were targeted in your sting and see if they were all adult oriented sites, if they were that proves our point further, if they did target sites were minors are actually allowed to go like Facebook, Myspace, etc. I can guarantee they probably got no arrests or very little compared to the adult oriented sites so that also proves our point. But don't be surprised if your motions get shot down, as many judges are corrupt as well. It's not going to be an easy road but just keep praying and pushing. And read this WHOLE blog!
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  Talkn StangMay 15, 2013 at 10:30 AM
  Havana, email me at Talknstang@yahoo.com ASAP please
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  Talkn StangMay 15, 2013 at 10:28 AM
  Well it looks like nobody is wanting to step up to the plate to expose these stings and i am almost out of time. I thought i had it covered but after over a month, i am about to throw in the towel and that is unfortunate. I didnt think it would be this difficult to find somebody who met the criteria i stated before. If somebody wants to help expose these stings email me at talknstang@yahoo.com. Time is of the essence
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  Talkn StangMay 15, 2013 at 10:53 AM
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  HavanawebsolutionsMay 16, 2013 at 10:00 AM
  I think we should all contact the news channel in florida and expose this true and talk to them about this blog and what s going on. Justice need to be served. Lets all contact the news channel and send them emails or call them and show them to look at this info. I bet someone with a heart will look into this and realized what is being done.
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  Justice MyersMay 16, 2013 at 12:04 PM
  Can you please contact Talkn Stang, his email address is talknstang@yahoo.com
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  Justice MyersMay 22, 2013 at 12:37 AM
  It pains me to see anyone rarely comments anymore! I remember when I first started visiting this blog everyday there would be at least one new comment. Even if nothing new is going on in your/your loved one's case, this blog is not only here to educate but also for us to be there for each other, and lift each other up. I would like to know how people are doing at the least, especially since these recent suicides and all. I HOPE WE AREN'T GIVING UP, AND THROWING IN THE TOWEL!!! I am praying for everyone and will continue to. Again...
  
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  scaredmommaMay 22, 2013 at 2:49 PM
  ok,heres my sons update,we had the sentancing hearing,my son originally got a score of 42,but when prosecutor was allowed a third charge(same as first)its a double jepardy charge,but it makes his score 63.so now he gets sentanced to 63 months in prison,plus 1year sex offender probation.i;m not sure of anything else,there was no downward departure for us.although the judge did not let the prosecutors suspected child porn thing to pile on more,it's been 3 months,so i guess they got nothing on that crap.but kathy ray,prosecutor wants to use my son as an example.and he got sentanced to more than most from the tallyop sting.now waiting for appeal to get done.i've been told to expect registery for life on sex offender classification too.i'm not giving up,but i;m not gonna hold my breath for a hero to come help us,two of our alli's are still working hard to help.trey&lightfoot.both are doing everything they can,but i am not sure if anything can save us now.but in court today judge hankinson did say that these guys should not be under house arrest,just gps with open schedules,my kid was under full house arrest for 16months
  the one he told this too was a attorney busted in the april fools sex sting.and one other guy from that sting.pisses me off,why now,not back then?my kid could'nt even go find work.or go to church,heonly could go to gps weekly,court appearances,and to see his lawyer,nothing else.well now its fight the big guys now.im doing everything i can to help my kid,whatever that might be.
  
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  Sandra RollinsMay 22, 2013 at 2:26 AM
  It's hard to keep the momentum when u r being kicked harder and harder no matter which way u turn. When u have been tried in the media and don't stand a chance when u go to court. Heard Judge Hankinson, Leon County, was bragging at a mixer that he was amazed at how fast they were returning the guilty verdicts on these cases. So I guess justice is not blind but how the peosecutor and judge decides it will be. Most of these attorneys who have taken these cases do not have the integrity to do the right thing and should hang up their shingles.
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  Justice MyersMay 22, 2013 at 11:37 AM
  God don't like ugly, they'll get what's coming to them BUT we HAVE to continue to fight to make that happen. As of right now we are letting these people win, and they will not stop until somebody makes them and I know that for a fact. I'm baffled that there hasn't been a rally or anything, when months ago a lot of people were on board.
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  Talkn StangMay 22, 2013 at 9:46 PM
  the reason why the verdicts are returned so quickly is because of the publicity that WCTV has provided for all of Leon county. There is no way to select a fair and impartial jury in these cases. They all have their minds made up because of this. Because Tally is the Capital, they try to set the example and there is nothing fair about that. There are cases that should have been tossed, that are being dragged out for no reason. It's such an injustice it makes me want to puke.
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  4evermomMay 22, 2013 at 1:13 PM
  Most of us are trying to figure this out. Its a HUGE financial burden in so many ways for many. Because of lost careers, legal expenses, etc. many are trying to keep a roof over our families heads and food in their stomachs. If there were a rally I could not justify the gas to travel! Much less a place to stay when I got there. Some of the bloggers are probably incarcerated or lost their ability to communicate. Some like me are overwhelmed and disgusted. Anyway, I would love to meet those affected with these stings face to face. A support group would be nice but would be hard to pull off. I am a person of faith and will continue to pray for Justice to be done.
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  Sandra RollinsMay 22, 2013 at 5:56 PM
  It's amazing that 90% of these guys do not have a criminal record but is being sent to prison for make believe. They let a teacher from Deer Lake Middle school off with child abuse, no sex offender and probation for actually soliciting a 15 yr old. Go figure
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  Talkn StangMay 22, 2013 at 9:41 PM
  I think i heard something about that and it doesnt surprise me. Just wanted to let people know i will be dipping off the radar in a week or so but DueProcess should be back around more once he remedies his internet situation. I won't be gone for too long, but that's just the way it is unfortunately when your life is ruined for "no particular reason". They might be winning the battle, but we will eventually win the war. We all know what they are doing is beyond unethical/immoral in so many ways.....our country has some serious issues when they do this to its own citizens. It's almost embarassing to be an American....this is no longer the land of the free, thats for damn sure.
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  Talkn StangMay 22, 2013 at 9:52 PM
  i am still looking for somebody who was in a mother daughter, stepfather/stepdaughter, etc type scenario who did not say anything sexual directed to the fictitious minor nor had any communications with them either. If we find somebody like this we will have BIG success
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  Talkn StangMay 26, 2013 at 8:50 PM
  here is some interesting information from a connection within the CIA....according to the ICAC Federal Training Manual on undercover online chat training the police are not ever allowed to assume the identity of an adult. Nor are they allowed to use an adult profile & then lie about their age & they are not allowed to use adult dating websites. What they can do is create a profile between the ages of 10 & 17 only.
  
  As most of you are well aware, these are far from the standards/guidelines being used in Florida stings and amount to nothing less than egregious law enforcement. I would even go so far as to say that because law enforcement is knowingly violating their own regulations which in turn is subjecting innocent men to the criminal justice system, this type of corruption is criminal conspiracy by every sense of the term. Not only are they creating criminals, but this type of police misconduct makes those law enforcement agencies involved criminals themselves. How can you have faith in our sytem when one of the branches of government is letting this happen? Somebody will be held accountable soon enough. And for those law enforcement agents that follow this wonderful, well though-out, and put together blog, may the force be with you because you're going to need it! You can only cover it up for so long before the truth is told.
  
  And on that note,I think we have forgotten what America is and what it took to become the great country we are supposed to be........ so for all those veterans and disabled veterans as myself, and for those who made the ultimate sacrifice for our contry....have a wonderful memorial day and lets not forget what this holiday is truly about.
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  Sandra RollinsMay 28, 2013 at 4:56 AM
  Has anyone noticed how after they conduct these stings they make no arrests on internet child solicitation. I wonder what numbers they are forwarding to DOJ to keep their money train coming.
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  Talkn StangMay 29, 2013 at 4:02 PM
  please explain a bit more....the charges are usually FSS 847.0135. There will not be any more charges for Lewd and Lascivious battery anymore (800.04) due to the Pamblanco case
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  devotedgfMay 29, 2013 at 8:34 PM
  I was trying to find a lawyer that maybe would take on the state of Florida. The prisons are so full now from all of these stings. If we could get enough of the families together which would be well over 700 maybe even more then that I am just not informed enough to go about doing this but would go to court with all the other families and that would bring media attention to all these illegal stings. Maybe it would open the public's eyes to how much the media has been manipulating the viewing area.
  
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  John JamesMay 29, 2013 at 11:24 PM
  Well folks my time is almost up. I hope all you people will get together and find a way to reverse all the convictions and help your loved ones get out of this BS. We have tried so many things and so many ways to get the truth out, but it seems as if no one wants to step up and finish what was started. Out of all the guys that got stung you can't tell me no one will step up to the plate and tell their story. To the few that has busted their asses to get all this info out and put all this together, I thank you with all my heart and sol. For all the rest, The time has come to stand up, quit talking about what we should do and make this happen. Find the right guy, find the reporter that will blow this out of the water. Don't back down and give up. We have a long life to live, keep up the hard work. Pull together people and make the difference. Don't know whats going to happen tomorrow, but I prey that it goes well and we can join up and strike. Lets take our country and state back. No more games, no more lies, no more corrupt goverment. The land of the free is what it is suppose to be and thats what needs to be done. FREEDOM IS OUR RIGHT AND WHAT OUR COUNTRY IS FOUNDED ON, remember that.
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  Talkn StangMay 30, 2013 at 11:42 AM
  well people, my time has almost come once again and i am soon to be homeless. I will be dipping off the radar for a while until i can figure out my situation. Thats what these stings do is ruin lives and i only plead to unlawful use of 2-way communication device. We will beat these stings at some point, but just because i might not be around doesnt mean i am not still fighting for the cause, but for now i have to fight to survive. Hang in there people
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  Talkn StangMay 30, 2013 at 3:01 PM
  Well i cannot get ahold of my buddy John James so i am assuming he is in jail. I went to visit him yesterday and it killed me seeing the look of concern all over his face. he had barely slept, and stomach was all knotted up and now it looks as if the state has locked him up. That just pisses me off. But maybe some good news, a Leon county judge has ordered FDLE to investigate into a case. I dont have any more information about it at this time, but if this is the case, now is the time to hit your congressman/representative up and let them know. We need to let as many as possible know that they have launched an investigation into what i am assuming are the tactics involved. We cant let law enforcement sweep this one under the rug. I will keep everyone posted as i get more information
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMay 31, 2013 at 5:56 PM
  What "Talkn Stang" has written is true: our CIA informant told us that law enforcement CANNOT use adult sites to perform child solicitation internet stings. WHAT ARE THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES GOING TO DO WHEN THEY ARE ARRESTED FOR CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY? Criminal conspiracy is exactly what this is: state officials violating federal law just to get grant money.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comMay 31, 2013 at 6:07 PM
  A violation of federal law to enforce state law to get grant money IS CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY!
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  Talkn StangMay 31, 2013 at 10:26 PM
  what is happening is these statistics they are using to show a problem where one doesnt exist as they claim is the basis for continued funding. This funding not only funds these operations, but it keeps people on the payroll and even establishes the need for more employees to combat their fictitious "pedophile" problem. They are essentially doctoring the #'s and this has been done before....it is nothing new, but what they are doing is criminal conspiracy as we have stated before.
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  Talkn StangJune 1, 2013 at 9:55 AM
  one other thing to note, when you look at the demographics of these sting operations, you will see how they are clustered around a few areas although some are spread out. Why is that? Who makes the call on performing a sting in a particular county and what is the justification? My theory is that a high ranking member of the Florida Sheriffs association uses his position to network his "template" of sting operations to other county sheriffs throughout Florida. Apparently some sign on to the idea and some probably see the unethical and immoral issues involved and do not. Where are to online solicition numbers to justify these stings? Of course, that information will not be provided and essentially what we have here is ROGUE LAW ENFORCEMENT. And here is your proof under "Other Task Force Operations" https://www.flsheriffs.org/our_program/florida_sheriffs_task_force/
  
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  Talkn StangJune 1, 2013 at 12:36 PM
  Studies have shown that most sex crimes are not perpetrated by somebody a child meets on the internet but when they have it has been also shown that those stem from multiple player gaming sites according to the a Project SafeChildhood Coordinator in Florida. Also, from the N.FL ICAC site it clearly states that the internet has not necessarily created more Pedophiles, but i guess the state of Florida disagrees. Studies have also shown a degradation in the number of online solicitions which do not correlate with the increased number of sex offenders in Florida. Come on people, the reality is we have ROGUE LAW ENFORCEMENT performing these stings for no reason and creating sex offenders. It is not difficult to figure out, but their lies about men coming from "all walks of life" have got to stop. That is what you get when you illegally place an suggestive ad into the general population. We are making progress though...their DOOMSDAY will eventually come and innocent men will be freed from their illegal incarcerations.
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  DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comJune 1, 2013 at 3:55 PM
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  Coming Directly From The Internet Crimes Against Children (ICAC) Federal Training Manual For The Undercover Online Chat Training Course:
  
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  Justice MyersJune 2, 2013 at 9:04 PM
  That's wonderful and I don't doubt it's the truth at all BUT that's only gonna help if we can get the actual manual. Is there a possibility the informant can get those papers? If so, that would definitely be the best evidence thus far.
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  Prince MachiavelliJune 3, 2013 at 9:16 AM
  I would greatly appreciate if you could provide the manual or actual document so I can Utilize it in my case. If this is in the actual documentation, my case will most likely be dropped immediately. I will email you
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  Talkn StangJune 1, 2013 at 4:22 PM
  bada-bing bada-boom
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  Talkn StangJune 2, 2013 at 7:07 PM
  here is a copy of my article i wrote last year titled FLORIDA CREATING SEX OFFENDERS for anybody who hasnt read it yet......
  Florida is now the Pedophile Capital of the US. Recent numbers show that there has been a 74% increase in the number of sex offenders as to only 23% for the rest of the nation over the past 5 years. Why is that? Is this a title that Floridians should be proud of? And how come this hasnt raised any eyebrows? The problem is that Florida is creating sex offenders not catching them by performing these random stings into the general population about every month and we are the only state doing such. Florida should not be in the business of testing the will of law-abiding citizens with elaborate (if improbable) fantasies involving any minor. See People v. Aguirre, No. G045009 (Cal. 4th DCA, April 5, 2012, and Lusby v. State, 507 So.2d 611 (1987). Although there are pedophiles out there, we are being led to believe that there is a much larger problem than there really is. Then how come we are the only state that has such a problem? This is an epidemic that has spiraled out of control. Why are counties that are netting the most arrests receiving awards as if it were some kind of game? The true sex predators, such as the Ronald Browns, are not lurking in the areas they say they are catching them. Congratulations Floridians on your new title!
  
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  Talkn StangJune 3, 2013 at 2:39 PM
  there are some things in the works, so hopefully help is on the way. Stay tuned.....unfortunately i might be out of commission soon for a bit, but not for too long. Hang in there people
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  Talkn StangJune 4, 2013 at 12:17 AM
  i just wanted to let all those who have been involved in stings or know somebody who has, something very good happened today! We are about to get the attention that we deserve. It is time for people to listen to the truth and not the lies that these rogue law enforcement agencies tell the communities. Florida is about to get its wake-up call, and i believe it is one that they are not particularly going to enjoy. Oh well
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  scaredmommaJune 4, 2013 at 8:29 AM
  well i guess you all need to know my son was transfered out lastnite from leon county jail,on his way to prison by way of a reception center,no they won't let us know where he will be for at least 45 days!this is a frigging nightmare,why do innocent people have to live this nightmare,my son is scarec to death.he actually broke down yesterday,he is terrified of going to prison,and we are for him.i hope that this crap gets exposed sooner than later,my son is my main worry,if i knew a reporter i would be talking to them way before now,none in tallahassee will be fair or unbiased,tried that,all are cowards.the prisons are full,my son could sit at a retention center for months because of the prisons being full.we might not even get to visit when he does get to one,it could be hundreds of miles away.good luck to all.
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  HavanawebsolutionsJune 4, 2013 at 7:35 AM
  Talkn stand. What happened today?? Please give us good news. The state is offering me 4 years. I did not took it. Im fighting this. If you could get the whole manual from your contact will be great. That will show prove. We all thank you for the hard work.!
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  Talkn StangJune 4, 2013 at 11:29 AM
  check your email shortly
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  Prince MachiavelliJune 4, 2013 at 2:20 PM
  There is no frickin justice. When does it all end? I was accused of soliciting back in Nov 2011. I didn't travel, and I was on an adult website. Since I was arrested and charged, I have been kicked out of the military, had my named smeared all over the local news, been turned down to go back to school because of the charge, recently lost my temp job and now I have been turned down for employment because the charge is on my record. All this has been done before I have been adjudicated. I have plead NOT Guilty from the beginning and crap for me gets worse and worse. I sure the hell hope the wait will be worth it. My lawyer says he is putting in a motion to dismiss, but that has has been slow coming and the court just keeps my case in case management. Society is screwed up. I have been found guilty before I have ever had my day in court.
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  freedom070476June 4, 2013 at 3:24 PM
  Is it possible for the "(ICAC) Federal Training Manual For The Undercover Online Chat Training Course" to be added to the "PAGES" or as a link? It would be very useful for everyone involved. Thank you.
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  Talkn StangJune 4, 2013 at 11:47 PM
  things are being looked into, thats all i can say. If we get ahold of that info, it will be shared, believe me. We are pressing for it!
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  freedom070476June 4, 2013 at 3:26 PM
  For Talkn Stang, can you divulge the good news?
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  Talkn StangJune 4, 2013 at 11:37 PM
  i cannot divulge quite yet, but there is hope people. I promise you that. Also, for those of you whose cases are still pending and are charged with 800.04, let your attorney know about Pamblanco v. State. And for those of you who have been charged with 847.0135(3b)and(4b), let your attorney's know about State v. Vitale.
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  4evermomJune 4, 2013 at 7:42 PM
  For scaredmomma.
  Our son too is in Prison as of 4-11-13. I would be happy to share with you our experience with the Prison system if you would like. Just let me know. Hang in there. We need each other to stay strong! It only took 2 weeks for our son to be placed.
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  Talkn StangJune 4, 2013 at 11:56 PM
  if none of you have seen the ICAC Operational and Investigative Standards manual and MOU's that we currently have, I will get DuePro to post those documents on the site. Those need to be accessible anyway. I will also have him post my presentation.
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  Talkn StangJune 5, 2013 at 8:04 AM
  There has been another faked suicide by David Lashley. I remember him claiming entrapment after his initial arrest. Ok peeps, it looks like tomorrow could be the beginning of the end of the madness. You will know more then. We are about to find out if all our hard work is going to pay off!
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  Talkn StangJune 5, 2013 at 9:41 AM
  Operation Redemption is about to go into effect. This is about to get very interesting!
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  d8d423f0-ce04-11e2-b16a-000f20980440June 5, 2013 at 10:25 AM
  I've been a silent onlooker to this site while these things continue to ruin so many families and innocent lives, but I have to help in some way that I possibly can with all circumstances considered. I saw "scaredmomma" mention a reporter who is unbiased, so...
  
  One of the most determined, most driven journalists out of WCTV-6 (Tallahassee, Leon County) who has exposed so much corruption and part of the "Good Ol Boy Network" we are all so fond of. He's nothing like the rest, he's actually from up north and he has that "nitch" that would be extremely beneficial to our cause of exposing these things, psychologically and emotionally. He once pulled court records on a landlord who evicted a girl without probable cause by not keeping track of her rent payments, tracked him down, and in return...she was able to keep her home, all while keeping an unbiased position and still covering the main issue.
  
  Andy Alcock with WCTV-6. Give him a call...
  850-893-6666 (ext 239, station) or 850-545-5061 (cell)
  
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  Talkn StangJune 5, 2013 at 10:46 AM
  can you email me at talknstang@yahoo.com? thank you
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  Talkn StangJune 5, 2013 at 11:04 AM
  i have called and left a message. And after the message i did leave, i am thinking he will probably call back....or at least i hope. Anything to help those Tally guys out who have been treated so unfairly from the start.
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  4evermomJune 5, 2013 at 11:57 AM
  Dont forget its not just Tally...got my precious son rotting away for 3 years from another sting in another county! Praying these will get exposed and overturned for those serving from plea deals taken as a result of judicial intimidation.. Still praying!!
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  Talkn StangJune 5, 2013 at 2:25 PM
  Well there is no turning back now. CBSnews.com tomorrow. May the force be with us....i have a good feeling it will and no matter what, we are doing the right thing and at the end of the day, the truth will set us free.
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  Talkn StangJune 5, 2013 at 4:44 PM
  i got a call from the reporter that wrote on the "FBI Task Force In Jeopardy". She and other reporters are very interested in this story as well as the ACLU. She also said that there has been no further information into that investigation in Georgia which doesnt surprise me, but I think that is about to change. I have relayed that information to others who can find out for us. Stay tuned!
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  Talkn StangJune 5, 2013 at 9:05 PM
  people, we know law enforcement is following the blog and that is fine, but don't be afraid to speak your mind. There will be no more being scared into talking about the truth. That is what they have wanted from the start and for the most part, it has worked, but through this blog and other venues, we have joined together to fight their evil ways. We are about to get the attention that we deserve and i am not afraid to say it, but Florida has a real serious problem on its hands.
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  scaredmommaJune 6, 2013 at 9:04 AM
  TalknStang,i thankyou for helping everyone,but i will tell all of you a truth,this crap that we have went thru has made me realize when you bring a beautiful soul into this world.it only takes the florida illegal crap to destroy every thing about that child that you instilled in them,they no longer trust anyone,but the hardest thing for me personally is the letters he sent me while waiting in the jail 4months,he begged me to let him come home,i could not do that one simple thing for him,and yes it has broken my heart,i never thought that something like this could destroy a family,but it damn near has.i just hope my boy survives that horrible nwfrc annex,he can set there for years,its not a pleasant place to stay.it has caused so much grief for me,im sure everyone has also been threw alot and i am just trying to hang on for my boy,but i'm not real sure if i can for too much longer.this is almost more than i can carry.i;m doing the very best i can.i just hope its enough to help my son.
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  scaredmommaJune 6, 2013 at 9:32 AM
  I have been asked by a friend of all of ours here to tell you there is going to be a huge crack opened up here in florida,hopefully the trash and illegal crap will be exposed and dumped out,for all to see the real truth,not the huge lies that has been told,i cannot say more,but please trust it is soon to be a day of reconeing.all will be exposed for what it truly is!!!
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  Talkn StangJune 6, 2013 at 11:50 AM
  tomorrow morning should be the release now..sorry for the delay, but not to worry, this is happening...i promise you that.
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  Roger ClondikeJune 6, 2013 at 12:38 PM
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  does this entirely conflict with my prosecution? Ive already been found guilty and served (thankfully only this much) 4.5 months in jail. Can I get my charge and sentenced thrown out?
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  Talkn StangJune 6, 2013 at 3:40 PM
  you can email me and perhaps i can steer you in the right direction to have that question answered for you. I hope you don't have to register for that BS...it just pisses me off to hear stories like that. I hope to God that people will lose their jobs and even be charged with crimes for this.
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  LMJune 7, 2013 at 5:23 AM
  I went to CBS News and can't locate anything. Can you post the link please. Thanks
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  freedom070476June 7, 2013 at 7:30 AM
  I too could not locate any stories what would provide optimism. The only related story concerned another recent arrest from a sting in Orange County (Orlando). http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57339478-504083/st-petersburg-college-baseball-coach-caught-in-sex-sting/
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  freedom070476June 7, 2013 at 7:33 AM
  Has the ICAC Operational and Investigative Standards manual and MOU's been posted for all to review?
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  Talkn StangJune 7, 2013 at 9:47 AM
  its not there yet...hang on, the reporter is with the editor now, but it will be online soon and you will know it when you see it
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  cigarcitygirlJune 7, 2013 at 12:59 PM
  Operation Redemption. I like the sound of that!
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  Talkn StangJune 7, 2013 at 1:54 PM
  i won't post any more info, sorry people...hopefully i didnt say too much too early, but not to worry, itll be alright
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  LMJune 7, 2013 at 3:04 PM
  does that mean CBS is not going to do anything?
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  Talkn StangJune 9, 2013 at 9:37 PM
  i didnt say that, lol
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  cigarcitygirlJune 7, 2013 at 2:13 PM
  For three days, I was having trouble posting my first comment to this blog. For others who may encounter the same difficulty, you must be sure your cookies are "enabled" and all "pop-up blockers" are disabled when you try to post. It's a Blogger issue.
  
  After you comment, you can go back to your browser settings and set things back... or use another browser (like Chrome) just for commenting on this Blogger page.
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  HavanawebsolutionsJune 10, 2013 at 11:45 AM
  People, that are reading this blog please share this link with people that can help us. We need as many helper as possible to get justice done as soon as possible. I trust the true will come out and our criminal record will be clean. At least i want to believe that..
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  Talkn StangJune 10, 2013 at 12:14 PM
  sorry people...its not looking good, although it's not completely dead. Law enforcement is fucking us once again and we cannot even tell our side of the story. What kind of country is this we live in anyway? We call this a democracy? I am embarrassed to be an American. Our government is about as corrupt and crooked as it gets. Just look at the latest news headlines. We will win this battle people, but it is looking like the media cannot help us at the moment.
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  Scott SelfeJune 10, 2013 at 2:03 PM
  Talkn Stang what is the dilemma? I know I don’t chime in much because my attorney has basically put me under a gag order. I’ve filed a Habeas Corpus to get resolution to my case and am awaiting a decision. However, my attorney is one of the defense attorneys involved in the North Georgia FBI ordeal and is pulling out all the stops he can to help those who were ensnared there.
  
  I’m asking what the dilemma is with respect to your comment that law enforcement has fucked us again; with the media I presume. In my case, LEO admitted to using Adult Friend Finder to “find” me. In light of the news about the ICAC training manuals and SOP’s that would go a long way, I’d think. And, an investigative reporter could use that to substantiate, at least in part, what our claims are. In any of the cases that have been tried in FL has LEO admitted to using adult websites as to how they initially encountered the “defendants”? Obviously I’m not certain as to where the media investigation has gone awry unless it is more lies from law enforcement. In that case, trial transcripts and admissions like in my case would substantiate that law enforcement is going about this in direct conflict to the ICAC SOP’s and training manuals.
  
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  freedom070476June 10, 2013 at 4:20 PM
  I agree with Scott Selfe. It could be very helpful to know what information from Talkn Stang was ignored or quashed. Perhaps the same information could be provided by many of us to the applicable state ACLU chapters or other news outlets.
  
  I believe at this time the most important and powerful tool available to us for the defense of all accused and incarcerated is the ICAC Federal Training Manual excerpt at the top of this page. It's critical that a copy be obtained and posted.
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  Scott SelfeJune 10, 2013 at 5:09 PM
  It is my gut instinct that every one of us has somewhere in our legal paperwork from the various court appearances and proceedings that can go miles in substantiating every claim made on this blog, as well in our trials/court proceedings. I'm certain there is enough "fotter" in mine to back up everything any investigative reporter would want to know. AND, that is not just me "crying over spilt milk", that is honest to good court documents.
  
  I know I don't fit the "mold" of the person ya'll were looking for, but I've studied and researched my case to death. I KNOW I was fucked, and I KNOW law enforcement is getting away with this because of their lies. I have no problem running my mouth about my case, I just need to be careful not to jeopardize it because of a pending ruling. (hopefully, a favorable one)
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  Talkn StangJune 10, 2013 at 6:34 PM
  email me talknstang@yahoo.com
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  Talkn StangJune 10, 2013 at 6:27 PM
  i am trying people, there seems to be some issues with the editor wanting to run the story due to the subject matter of course. The reporter is behind me 110%, but he is not the one who makes the final decision. Its not over quite yet
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  Talkn StangJune 10, 2013 at 6:31 PM
  i have made a very compelling argument on our behalf and that argument is substantiated by a florida attorney who also went on the record to back me up. It isn't just me and my story....we are represented so to speak. All i can say is at least we have people listening, and that is alot farther than we have gotten before. DueProcess and i have been at it for a long time, so we shouldnt necessarily look at this as a defeat. Keep your heads up people....reading all these new posts on the blow is very inspiring. We are doing exactly what law enforcement doesn't want and that is joining together in order to make a difference....and that can be a powerful tool!
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  Talkn StangJune 10, 2013 at 6:33 PM
  on the blog, oops, lol
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  Talkn StangJune 10, 2013 at 6:43 PM
  i am so impressed with everyone talking. Lets keep this ALIVE and running well. Lets remind law enforcement that this is America and they just cannot get away with their criminal acts any longer. The more who come out and speak, the better. Sign the petition for change please although my buddy John James is now in jail for 42 damn months over this BS. Lets rescue him and the others and rid ourselves of this nightmare once and for all. We can do this....we have to do it! we only need 5 more signatures. I forgot to get this to the reporter. maybe this might help....thanks everyone for the support!
  
  http://www.change.org/petitions/florida-gov-scott-dept-of-justice-us-congress-pres-of-the-us-pardon-all-people-arrested-and-coviction-of-internet-sex-stings
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  Talkn StangJune 10, 2013 at 7:46 PM
  come on people...sign this petition...lets make it final. I need this to go to my reporter ASAP. All we need is 5 more, but 5,000 would be even better, lol
  http://www.change.org/petitions/florida-gov-scott-dept-of-justice-us-congress-pres-of-the-us-pardon-all-people-arrested-and-coviction-of-internet-sex-stings
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  devotedgfJune 10, 2013 at 7:47 PM
  no you only need 4 more I just signed it
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  Talkn StangJune 10, 2013 at 7:57 PM
  thank you....I promise you that when these last 4 are signed, i will work my magic and we will be back in business with my reporter....4 more simple signatures, that all we need
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  devotedgfJune 10, 2013 at 8:03 PM
  your welcome anyone needs operational and investigative standards manual I have a copy of that as well and also
  MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING manual, sting operations manual. also this one 2012 CF 000204 STATE OF FLORIDA VS NOLIN, RYU A
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  Stop entrapmentJune 11, 2013 at 12:12 PM
  Please send them to me i am fighting my case in lee county and they would help me greatly delcodude1@gmail.com
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  freedom070476June 12, 2013 at 4:41 PM
  For devotedgf, yes, can you please send me the MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING manual, sting operations manual. also this one 2012 CF 000204 STATE OF FLORIDA VS NOLIN, RYU A. My email address is freedom070476@gmail.com.
  
  
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  Talkn StangJune 10, 2013 at 7:48 PM
  now we are down to 4. Somebody is listening....i like that.....there is no reason that we cant get 4 more signatures in an effort to make this story move forward ASAP....let get them all tonight and call it real
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  Talkn StangJune 10, 2013 at 7:50 PM
  i am telling you, i need this petition to seal the deal with the reporter. he will take it to the editors and we will be on! i have a good feeling about this 4 more please...i know that isnt too much to ask
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  Talkn StangJune 10, 2013 at 8:12 PM
  I have selected several mothers together in Leon county to personally hand deliver this Petition for Change to the Governor. In fact, if anyone in Leon county wants to join in on delivering the petition, we can arrange that. what a great idea and i just saw we are down to 3 now. Come on baby, lets do this thang. We will march up to Rick Scotts office. This is a perfect situation for us
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